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BennyR
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p.2 #1 · Which Photoshop?


JimClark wrote:
will CS3 even convert a 50D


Yes it will.



Jan 05, 2009 at 11:26 PM
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p.2 #2 · Which Photoshop?


Forget Photoshop for now. What you really need is Lightroom 2, is is a lot cheaper, faster, and more organized. It does 90% of what photoshop does, does it quicker, easier, and more organized, and it has Adobe's most recent RAW converter, so it will work with the 50D.


Jan 05, 2009 at 11:29 PM
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p.2 #3 · Which Photoshop?


Tom Kelley wrote:
I will be getting my 50D tomorrow and am wondering , for a newbie to post processing, which photoshop do you recommend? I've been doing some reading and it sounds like maybe CS3 would be a good starter. If so, can i download it for free, or do i have to buy it?


CS3 only opens files if you first convert them to DNG

Adobe stuff is pretty frightfully priced unless you can get a deal

sign up for classes at a local college and the academic savings plus tuition might still be less than the regular adobe price or maybe

they really price for businesses and don't particularly care about the average small-time little amateur's business much

anyway, i managed to get InDesign Standard (includes CS4 also among other things) for $170 using special school pricing (lower than the typical academic discount) and then for sorting and such I like photomechanic (way faster than the slugpig lightroom)

but i would see what the min to qual for academic discount is, perhaps even a single county college class? maybe there is something you'd even been wanting to take somewhere otherwise maybe just get lightroom 2 since it is waaayy less than CS4 and has the exact same ACR processing stage as CS4 plus better sorting and review or maybe elements or mess around with the free DPP a bit to start and don't buy anything, DPP is all some people use....



Jan 05, 2009 at 11:36 PM
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p.2 #4 · Which Photoshop?


Go with Lightroom if you plan to do any raw shooting at all. I almost never go into Photoshop anymore.

Steve



Jan 05, 2009 at 11:49 PM
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p.2 #5 · Which Photoshop?


are the academic licenses durable? Do they expire?


Jan 05, 2009 at 11:50 PM
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p.2 #6 · Which Photoshop?


wilsonprince wrote:
are the academic licenses durable? Do they expire?


well they are certainly durable in terms of the program you bought
i'm not 100% sure what happens about upgrades years in the future (i think and hope you can do upgrades for the standard upgrade price, ut i could be wrong)



Jan 05, 2009 at 11:57 PM
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p.2 #7 · Which Photoshop?


I use CS2, I figure I am not buying another version until I learn this one.


Jan 05, 2009 at 11:59 PM
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p.2 #8 · Which Photoshop?


elements... has wonderful tools for 99 bucks.. maybe not ready for cs4,, you can do a ton of work with elements. to much you wont use on cs4.. dont throw away your money


Jan 06, 2009 at 12:08 AM
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p.2 #9 · Which Photoshop?


DPP is free. It comes with your camera. It does RAW processing and basic photo editing (trim, rename, resize, output in a useful format) As a RAW processor, the most important function for a serious photographer, it's very elegant and streamlined. It's so streamlined, in an abstract way, it's a little hard to use because you have to think in a pure way to work the controls. It's a very, very good piece of software.

At $200-$300, Lightroom 2 is what i recommend you buy. It does a great job keeping track of all your photos, RAW processing, and then outputting for various uses. To keep track of your photose, it creats an indexing system, and creates library groups and sub goroups, and lets you attach names, and descriptions, and tags of all sorts for sorting via subject, location, date, camera type, etc. etc. As a RAW processor, it's much friendlier than DPP, offering many sliders and interface features to do things that are really tricky with the simpler DPP. It also lets you spot out blemishes, trim, rotate, and do other things for formatting that are beyond DPP. It also creates web presentations like slid shows, with blends, or tiles that flip and so forth to reveal your photos, and the out put can be put in many formats for web, in html, or in a small size for e-mail, etc. etc. etc., all while keeping these various versions organized in the library.

At $700 or so, if I recall correctly, Photoshop CS4 offers it's own RAW processor, which I think is not as feature rich as Lightroom, and it has some organization tools, but again, not as extensive as Lightroom. Where CS4 shines is in sophisticated image manipulation. Its the tool for creatin spectacular images from your photos, allowing all sorts of layering techniques, stretching, clipping, rotating, drawing, airbrush blending of one image into another, simulated painting and drawing filters, wrapping photos around 3D objects, etc., etc. etc.... The earlier versions (CS2, CS3) are also very powerful in this realm, and may be had for less money, but at the risk of loosing support from Adobe, in time.

I recommend you try DPP for a taste, but expect to get Lightroom2. In time you may want CS4. I use DPP and Lightroom and an old version of CS(1), which does what I need with layers and assembling graphics and drawing and filtering... I'll update to CS4 eventually, but Lightroom is really the home base.

IMHO, forget Elements. It's an entry level of CS. And you don't get the great RAW processing or librarying of Lightroom either, so what's the point? Well, I guess an argument could be mabe for getting Lightroom and Elements... I admit, I don't know what features are disabled in elements. I suspect if you have Lightroom, and you feel a desire to go into further image manipulation, you'll want the full CS4.



Jan 06, 2009 at 12:36 AM
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p.2 #10 · Which Photoshop?


Academic licenses are identical to standard licenses except you agree not to use them commercially. They get registered and updated just like a "full version." They are very easy come by as well...

I got mine (full version) bundled in a 5D special offer...

Really, do look into GIMP though if you don't want to spend a lot of money... even though it seems no one else here in the deep pockets crowd are suggesting it, I've used it and it is a very good open source package that is very comparable to CS3... there is even a Photoshop skin for it so it looks the same... all for absolutely nothing.

I won't knock Lightroom, even though it lacks a lot of features that *I* use in PS (and no, I barely touch all that PS can do), it is easy to recognize that LR may be everything some people need... and in a very slick little package as well.

wilsonprince wrote:
are the academic licenses durable? Do they expire?




Jan 06, 2009 at 12:47 AM
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p.2 #11 · Which Photoshop?


Elements doesn't have real Curves or Channel Mixer, the lack of these two features is enough to knock if out of the running for me... I seriously don't understand how anyone can do even basic image editing without at least a generalized Curve tool... and the dopey thing in Elements may be called "Curved" but offering only fixed points and sliders is not a real curves tool... at least if you are looking for full control.


Jan 06, 2009 at 12:57 AM
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p.2 #12 · Which Photoshop?


Seems like Adobe replaces these things at a rapid clip. When is Lightroom 3 going to show up? You'll also need more computing power for lightroom and CS4 than for elements.


Jan 06, 2009 at 02:03 AM
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p.2 #13 · Which Photoshop?


Since you already have Lightroom, I'd see if GIMP can get you by for the few things you want to do that you can't in Lightroom. It's free Nothing to loose but some time in trial.

FWIW I still use regular old Photoshop CS for things Lightroom can't do. It's much nicer than Photoshop 4



Jan 06, 2009 at 02:18 AM
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p.2 #14 · Which Photoshop?


DPP for RAW conversion, and GIMP for anything else. (save as .tif for max quality from DPP to GIMP)

photoshop CS4 is the ultimate but if you are just starting or are doing things on an amateur / learning basis DPP + GIMP will serve you well...



Jan 06, 2009 at 03:21 AM
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p.2 #15 · Which Photoshop?


Try the Canon Software first, it's free came with your camera.
Gimp is free also you could try that next.
Then download Adobe Elements, Lightroom 2 & Photoshop CS4.
All the Adobe software will be 30 day trials but it will give you a good reference point.
Pricing is like $79, 199, 599 for the Adobe stuff.



Jan 06, 2009 at 04:22 AM
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p.2 #16 · Which Photoshop?


Tom,
I have been/was using PSE for about 4 years now and have decided that I need to move to something a bit more condusive to very good post processing. So Santa dropped off CS3. I have heard way too many detractions on CS4 so I stayed with CS3.
lynda.com and deke.com have wonderful one-on-one turorials on CS3 which is what I desperately need to learn. The learning curve for some is very steep going from PSE to CS3.
Good luck!
Dan
Santa got me my CS3 copy on Ebay for 60-70% off list price. Full blown, Adobe certified copy! Let me know if you need the link.



Jan 06, 2009 at 06:37 AM
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p.2 #17 · Which Photoshop?


Tom Kelley wrote:
I will be getting my 50D tomorrow and am wondering , for a newbie to post processing, which photoshop do you recommend? I've been doing some reading and it sounds like maybe CS3 would be a good starter. If so, can i download it for free, or do i have to buy it?


LightRoom fror basics like exposure, white balance, and noise reduction. This will probably be all you need. If you start to use layers then any copy of PS (not Elements) will work fine .. I've happily used PS 6 for the past several years.

And yes, you have to buy it



Jan 06, 2009 at 06:44 AM
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p.2 #18 · Which Photoshop?


skibum5 wrote:
CS3 only opens files if you first convert them to DNG



Wrong
The 50D is supported by the ACR in CS3 if you download the latest (and last) ACR for CS3. Anything that comes after the 50D (ie 5d2 onwards) is supported in CS4 only (or as you say the DNG conv)

However for 90% of what CS3 does Elements does just as well. When you outgrow elements get the then current Full PS.

Also as others have stated Lightroom is a great program also but I would still want some other form of PS to go along with it



Jan 06, 2009 at 09:50 AM
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p.2 #19 · Which Photoshop?


RobertLynn wrote:
I use CS2, I figure I am not buying another version until I learn this one.


If you mean when you know everything it can do - that's an advance order for CS25 on the way then.



Jan 06, 2009 at 11:52 AM
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p.2 #20 · Which Photoshop?


Lightroom 2. Does a great job.


Jan 06, 2009 at 12:07 PM
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