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Italo Campilii
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Yup there are a few laptops out there with solid state memory but it's so expensive it's not even worth the investment considering what you could get for the same amount of money. I havent looked at competition but Macbook Air offers solid state drive @ somewhere over the $1800's for 80GB.


Jan 04, 2009 at 04:37 AM
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...........once again, upgrade to a 7200 drive and it'll be like doubling your ram. 5400's are crap, Mac or PC.


Jan 04, 2009 at 04:57 AM
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tcamper wrote:
...........once again, upgrade to a 7200 drive and it'll be like doubling your ram. 5400's are crap, Mac or PC.


YUP



Jan 04, 2009 at 05:00 AM
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Brian Lingle wrote:
Did you guys check out the link Mac posted for the Lenovo? It sounds amazing. The display shows 72% of the RGB colors compared to 30% on most displays. Anyone know the specs on the MBP matte displays for comparison?

Thanks for the link, Mac. Sounds awesome, but starting at $2,500, it's a little more than I want to invest in a laptop, right now. But, wow!

gzasi, sboerup, Tony, Italo, Richard, Red, Shane, Andy, ai3x, Matt, Thanks for your recommendations for the MBP and the advice regarding the glossy screens vs the new models. My girlfriend's sons are web professionals
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Hey dude! To answer your questions.

"I've heard that the graphics card makes a big difference in the speed, too. If the processor is 2.5 ghz, does it matter whether it's duo or quad core or whatever?"

The duo processes stuff much faster when working on multiple things at once because it send the info through two streams instead of one like old processors do. So that is WAY important. My is the 2.5 gig intel (you want intel) and it is super fast.

"Regarding the high def screen - are all 1080p screens high def?"

1080 is the highest def there is on wide screen tv at the moment, so that is what you need to view the images on a 1080p TV. So just make sure that they match up. Our PC has an HDMI output to plug directly into my 42 inch Vizeo LCD TV, but if it does not have that, you can always get some kind of hook up converter for it.

"Is Vista still problematic?"

I am not really sure what all that was about, but I have not had any problems with it at all and you have to have Vista 64 bit to run 4 gig of ram. There was some compatibility issues with a few programs I have, but nothing post production wise.

As far as the catch thing goes, not sure about that and everything runs fast and smooth for me all the time! I deleted a ton of programs that came with the PC and only have programs that are needed on it too.

Hope that helps and good luck! You can always by a Mac if you want to be a cool photographer!! Unfortunately, they won't help any of us be better photographers.

-Zach





Jan 04, 2009 at 03:43 PM
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Zach, Grinning and laughing! That last paragraph - great zinger.

Thanks for clarifying some of that info about the duo processor, Intel vs AMD, etc, 1080p, and needing Vista 64 bit to run 4 gig of ram. I was going to upgrade my desktop to 4 GB, but it's running XP, so it sounds like it wouldn't have helped much.




Jan 04, 2009 at 09:52 PM
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We all spend thousands on cameras and lenses and then we skimp on the computer side of things. Since most digital photographers will spend more time in front of a computer than behind a camera that seems kind of weird to me.
But each to their own.

"If I switch from PC to MBP, can I upgrade from PS-CS2 PC software to PS-CS4 for Mac or will I have to start over and buy the full priced version for the Mac?

You can't use PC software made for PC on a Mac. You CAN use PC software made for Mac on a Mac. However, if you wanted to use PC software on a Mac, you could either run a $79 program called "parallels" which allows you to install Windows XP/Vista and any windows software. It's like using a PC and a Mac simultaneously, without owning an actual PC. However, I don't recommend using powerful software such as Adobe because you'd require more than 2GB on that PC alone and more powerful graphics which I believe Parallels won't support."


Not true. Adobe will let you switch platforms. You'll have to call them and you'll have to give up your PC licence, but it's possible.

The best current "laptop" is the Lenovo W700 series. This thing has a built in Wacom digitiser in the palm rest, built in calibration hardware (huey pro I believe) and there's a version with an extra 10" second screen. But if you need it on location it's a BIG machine to lug around.

Personally I use a smaller (12") machine and a a dock at the studio which is connected to a 24" Eizo monitor, which are the best monitors available anywhere. I have a Dell 24" and dock at home as well. So I can use the laptop on location and just drop it into a dock at home or in the studio. All screens (including the laptop screen) are calibrated. the laptops screens no where near as good as the big screens but I have come to be able to take its limitations into account and get very good results.

My current laptop has an AMD processor. It beats my business partners Macbook Pro (previous gen) with the same processor speed by a measurable margin. But I have more and faster ram and I manage my hdd space better. Personally the AMD/Intel thing is only a very small part of the performance difference between two systems. I'm looking at upgrading though as both CS4 and my new 5D2 both need a better graphics card than I have now. CS4 is the first PS version to use the capabilities of a better graphics card.

As far as internal HDD's go I don't worry about speed too much. 5400RPM sata is fine. The reality is that most photographers need external HDD's anyway. So make these as fast as you can. A 250GB internal drive doesn't last long with a 15MP camera. The Macs have an advantage here in that they can use external firewire drives which are much faster than external USB or network drives. I'm using 1TB USB2 external drives at the moment and they're OK. Would like more speed though as I've now got 100K images in my LR database and the drives are definately the speed bump in the system.

If you're only doing occasional field work a cheap laptop and a better desktop may be the better choice. If you're in the field a lot or have other needs just bite the bullet and get the best you can afford and an external drive. Most screens can be calibrated and you can add a decent monitor (the Dell is good value) later.

Gordon



Jan 04, 2009 at 11:11 PM
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flash wrote:
We all spend thousands on cameras and lenses and then we skimp on the computer side of things. Since most digital photographers will spend more time in front of a computer than behind a camera that seems kind of weird to me.
But each to their own.

"If I switch from PC to MBP, can I upgrade from PS-CS2 PC software to PS-CS4 for Mac or will I have to start over and buy the full priced version for the Mac?

You can't use PC software made for PC on a Mac. You CAN use PC software made for Mac on a Mac.

Not true. Adobe will let you switch platforms. You'll have to call them and you'll have to give up your PC licence, but it's possible.

The best current "laptop" is the Lenovo W700 series. This thing has a built in Wacom digitiser in the palm rest, built in calibration hardware (huey pro I believe) and there's a version with an extra 10" second screen. But if you need it on location it's a BIG machine to lug around.

Personally I use a smaller (12") machine and a a dock at the studio which is connected to a 24" Eizo monitor, which are the best monitors available anywhere. I have a Dell 24" and dock at home as well. So I can use the laptop on location and just drop it into a dock at home or in the studio. All screens (including the laptop screen) are calibrated. the laptops screens no where near as good as the big screens but I have come to be able to take its limitations into account and get very good results.

My current laptop has an AMD processor. It beats my business partners Macbook Pro (previous gen) with the same processor speed by a measurable margin. But I have more and faster ram and I manage my hdd space better. Personally the AMD/Intel thing is only a very small part of the performance difference between two systems. I'm looking at upgrading though as both CS4 and my new 5D2 both need a better graphics card than I have now. CS4 is the first PS version to use the capabilities of a better graphics card.

As far as internal HDD's go I don't worry about speed too much. 5400RPM sata is fine. The reality is that most photographers need external HDD's anyway. So make these as fast as you can. A 250GB internal drive doesn't last long with a 15MP camera. The Macs have an advantage here in that they can use external firewire drives which are much faster than external USB or network drives. I'm using 1TB USB2 external drives at the moment and they're OK. Would like more speed though as I've now got 100K images in my LR database and the drives are definately the speed bump in the system.

If you're only doing occasional field work a cheap laptop and a better desktop may be the better choice. If you're in the field a lot or have other needs just bite the bullet and get the best you can afford and an external drive. Most screens can be calibrated and you can add a decent monitor (the Dell is good value) later.

Gordon
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We spend more time shooting then we do on the computer. Post production for a typical 1,200 final image wedding is about 2.5 hours.

-Zach



Jan 05, 2009 at 05:42 PM
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Thanks Flash (Gordon). The double entendre cracked me up. Great handle!

Anyway, thanks for all the info. That's a lot to consider. Definitely need ext HD's.


Zach, I'd love to see your PP work flow. Mine is snail pace.



Jan 05, 2009 at 06:15 PM
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Is that proofs or album ready? Wish I could do that. Nice work on your site.

Just did a 1000 shot wedding and pp took 10 hours in LR. We do a lot of colour work up front to save a lot of time later at the album build stage. Haven;t found a raw processor (including DPP) that gives acceptable skin colours without work.

Gordon



Jan 05, 2009 at 06:29 PM
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Brian Lingle wrote:
Zach, I'd love to see your PP work flow. Mine is snail pace.


+1! Takes me a good 12 hours or so to weed out and edit a 1200 image wedding



Jan 05, 2009 at 07:38 PM
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Brian Lingle wrote:
Thanks Flash (Gordon). The double entendre cracked me up. Great handle!


I've been called "flash" since I was 10, whether I liked it or not. So "Flash Gordon Photography" it was. It's great for marketing. At least I have a name that people don't forget.

Gordon



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