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freetime101 wrote:
I personally keep the hood on all the time - it not only stops flare but protects the front element.
I've never tried shooting with it off to see the difference though...

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Nov 21, 2008 at 10:40 AM
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I have little experience as a wedding photographer, but as a motorsports photographer I shoot almost exclusively with it on. I agree with almost all of the reasons stated thus far for keeping it on, i.e. light can get in outside or inside, helps when hand holding(especially panning a racecar) and provides protection... I definitely do like the purposeful flare, so i may be going topless for some wedding/e-sessions.


Nov 21, 2008 at 04:50 PM
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Tony Hoffer wrote:
You're a jerk Spencer. My bank account hates you. My wife would too, but she doesn't know yet.


BWAA HAA HAA HAA!!!



Nov 21, 2008 at 06:24 PM
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Sahid Limon wrote:
I think hoods are made to be used when there are issues of flare, like mostly outdoors. It drives me crazy when people will put on a huge hood on their 70-200, when shooting indoors. Sure, you can get flare indoors as well, but it's usually if you're shooting directly into or around a light source. I've met plenty of people who will use a hood just to show off their gear, and making their lens look bigger. I mean is your penis really that small? Need to protect the lens? Fine. Buy a good UV filter. Have real
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Wow, insulting and bad advice, all in one post! Throw in a degrading comment and you've hit the trifecta!

As someone who shoots in gyms with sodium-vapor spots all over, a hood reduces my chances of getting flare, so yes, I shoot my 70-200 with a hood indoors all the freaking time.

And a filter? Sorry, I'm not putting a cheap piece of glass in front of my lens for protection. Not only does it increase the likelihood of glare, it decreases IQ, even the top, expensive brands. Plus, one hit on it and shattered filter, stuck threads, and a 99% chance of a heavily scratched front element. The front element is much tougher than any filter, and the hood a much better protector. The only time I use a non-effect filter (so not a circ-pol or ND) is in salt-spray or sand-spray conditions.

John



Nov 21, 2008 at 06:44 PM
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I'm a never nude.


Nov 21, 2008 at 07:10 PM
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John Patrick wrote:
And a filter? Sorry, I'm not putting a cheap piece of glass in front of my lens for protection. Not only does it increase the likelihood of glare, it decreases IQ, even the top, expensive brands. Plus, one hit on it and shattered filter, stuck threads, and a 99% chance of a heavily scratched front element. The front element is much tougher than any filter, and the hood a much better protector.

John


Agree with this 100%



Nov 21, 2008 at 07:37 PM
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+10


Nov 22, 2008 at 09:31 AM
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I was at a presentation from quite a well known portrait and glamour photographer. He mentioned that apart from preventing flare, it does help increase contrast. Now this sounded a little far fatched to me, maybe there is someone that can confirm this?

Werner



Nov 22, 2008 at 02:13 PM
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i don't use the hood on my 200/2 as it is A PAIN IN THE BUTT to take on and off.

I also don't use the lens hood on my 35/1.4 as for some reason i have never looked into it causes a bit of vignetting? maybe it never attached properly, not sure.

I use hoods on all my other lenses.




Nov 22, 2008 at 06:03 PM
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p.3 #10 · Taking your top off...


Fell backward on my fat ass a couple weeks ago shooting, banged the 70-200IS head Hard on the ground, thank the lord for my lens hood. It cushioned the impact and didn't leave a single mark on the lens.


Nov 22, 2008 at 07:42 PM
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Keep them on.

Kiron Kid



Nov 22, 2008 at 11:29 PM
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posted twice... sorry... see below



Edited on Nov 23, 2008 at 03:09 AM · View previous versions



Nov 23, 2008 at 03:02 AM
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p.3 #13 · Taking your top off...


John Patrick wrote:
Wow, insulting and bad advice, all in one post! Throw in a degrading comment and you've hit the trifecta!

As someone who shoots in gyms with sodium-vapor spots all over, a hood reduces my chances of getting flare, so yes, I shoot my 70-200 with a hood indoors all the freaking time.

And a filter? Sorry, I'm not putting a cheap piece of glass in front of my lens for protection. Not only does it increase the likelihood of glare, it decreases IQ, even the top, expensive brands. Plus, one hit on it and shattered filter, stuck threads, and a 99%
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Hey, sorry you find the comment offensive John, but it's not aimed at you. You may shoot your 70-200 in an environment which may require a hood, however, many others (including myself) can shoot it indoors, without any flare issues without a hood. I have shot plenty of weddings in hotel ballrooms and reception halls, without a hood, and have almost never had any issue at all. The only time there have remotely been any form of issue, is when I would shoot a subject backlit via an off camera strobe. Hood or no hood, chances of flares for a shot like that are pretty significant. It's a matter of personal preference, hence the poll here. I never claimed that using a hood will degrade a lenses performance in anyway. If you're indoors and you use it, then use it. If you're outdoors in the sun, then you should be using it.

As for the filter/glare issue... I find this to be pretty nonsense as well. Notice that I said using a good filter, and not a "cheap piece of glass". You can get a B+W UV lens or a Kaesemann CP... high quality filters produced by Schnider in Germany, and it will seldom produce glares unless you happen to be placing the sun in the frame of the picture. Like I said, if you're outdoors and it's sunny, you should use a hood regardless of filter or not. If you're going to invest more than $1k for a good lens, then you might as well fork over $150-$200 for a "good" filter. I don't know how it really degrades IQ, as I've personally have only seen improvements in my images with the filter. I'm not just trying to defend this for the sake of argument... my 24-70 has been spared from an incidence, and I owe it to my UV filter. I don't know where you've seen shattered filters leave thread on the front element, as my filter cracked into several pieces, but it remained intact much like a windshield. As for hood being better than filters... you're entitled to your opinion... but in my book, thin plastic is a bit weaker than heavy glass. Most of the standard and tele hoods are pretty large and deep, and will do a good job protecting the front element. However, the filters on some of the smaller lenses (fisheye, ultra wide angles, etc) are pretty small and thin, so the chance of your front element getting scratched or nicked can be significantly higher than a scratch getting all the way through a filter.

All in all, if you're using your 70-200 indoors with a hood, then more power to you. Whatever works for you to achieve good images, then you should continue to do so. You, along with some others will think filters will reduce IQ and cause terrible glare/flares, but I disagree and have tested it enough to come to my conclusion. I made the statement the way I did, simply because I've personally seen people (mostly new photographers who recently got their first expensive lens), put a hood on, and brag about their lens, or blatantly show off... while it served no real purpose from protecting the lens or reducing glare. Matter of fact, just last week I witnessed such flaunting in a local park... and it was quite annoying. Still, I guess I could have stated my original opinion a little more politely.



Nov 23, 2008 at 03:04 AM
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Can't think of a single situation where shooting without a hood is a good thing. Using a hood has all +'s and no -'s. First thing I do at a wedding is remove all lens caps and leave them in the car and put all the hoods on. So straight away I've saved a few seconds every time I change lenses.

Regardless of flare etc. Any light falling from an oblique angle onto the front element will weaken colours and reduce contrast. it may not be noticable but often it will.

And that says nothing of the protection it offers in sun, rain and shade.

Gordon



Nov 24, 2008 at 01:50 AM
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I just saw a show about the royal family and there as a segment on the Queen's portrait session with Annie L.

She was shooting in a huge room with window light, chandeliers and a bunch of her Profoto stuff. No hood on her Canon 24-70(?) and she had nine assistants to suggest it...



Nov 24, 2008 at 01:18 PM
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they are just obtrusive IMO.


Nov 24, 2008 at 01:32 PM
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Micky Bill wrote:
I just saw a show about the royal family and there as a segment on the Queen's portrait session with Annie L.

She was shooting in a huge room with window light, chandeliers and a bunch of her Profoto stuff. No hood on her Canon 24-70(?) and she had nine assistants to suggest it...


Correction: She had 9 assistants who would have been fired for suggesting it.



Nov 24, 2008 at 01:39 PM
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So THAT'S Why you sold me the 28! I'm not a bit upset, either. Favorite lens as of today!

Honestly, I find that the hoods are constantly in the way in my bag, so I think I'll start leaving them on now. I do feel kind of weird walking around with a 70-200 2.8 IS AND a hood. But that may be related to my being a girl...



Nov 24, 2008 at 03:03 PM
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No hoods; too unweildly on most of the longer stuff. Don't use filters either I hate extra glass on the front, my old boss buys the cheapest filter he can and then breaks out the glass and puts the empty ring on for protection. I did that for awhile too but I droped my 70-200 2.8 on concrete from 4ft and didn't help me any. Couldn't focus anymore, fixed using CPS for around $180ish


Nov 24, 2008 at 09:16 PM
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Deb Brundage wrote:
So THAT'S Why you sold me the 28! I'm not a bit upset, either. Favorite lens as of today!

Honestly, I find that the hoods are constantly in the way in my bag, so I think I'll start leaving them on now. I do feel kind of weird walking around with a 70-200 2.8 IS AND a hood. But that may be related to my being a girl...



Just goes to show you don't have *****envy



Nov 24, 2008 at 09:18 PM
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