p.3 #2 · Do you guys give sincere opinions about pics ?
LCollector wrote:
I just witnessed the "you go boy, awesome job (on ugly pictures)" phenomenon in "N&W" forum that Jim mentioned above...Jeez ! I guess, I have to stay away from the N&W forums...going forward.
Sorry... It's been a while since I posted anything and felt obligated to post some ugly photos... Sorry they sucked.
Nothing wrong with sincere comments... I also feel the need to have some fun at the same time.. why not RIGHT it loosens up the atmosphere and you get to have fun all at once... I skipped through the rules when it comes to posting.. admit it.. how many of us read the entire Rules to post line... I'm sure Fred wouldn't have any problem with some fun on the threads... So.... those of you who think no Joking allowed.... have a good dull life.
p.3 #3 · Do you guys give sincere opinions about pics ?
LCollector wrote:
I just witnessed the "you go boy, awesome job (on ugly pictures)" phenomenon in "N&W" forum that Jim mentioned above...Jeez ! I guess, I have to stay away from the N&W forums...going forward.
Gosh, invite us over LC if this was intended to be a NW bashing post. I don't believe you have posted any of your work to be critiqued, you seem to have the eye of a perfectionist. I think you would build some credability with first introducing us to your work so we may value or not your opinions, that would be fair for all of us.
Those that know me know I give a very helpful constructive critique and am not offended by politely pointing areas of improvement. What does go un-noticed to new lurkers or posters on NW is that we often exchange many PM's to address specific critique, a bit of a more personal way to get a feel of how the OP would like to be helped or not.
You are being unfair in your assumptions on certain things, having participated in over 6000 comments I have a good feel for the people I am responding too, that is important to me as it is to others that truly care about any forum and the ability to help if they so choose to do so. At this point I am confuse on how you think you could be helping, you are unaware of some of the dialog that has previously gone on amongst the members on NW.
Yes there has been some threads that over the edge, yes there are some 'ugly pics' that get posted but the ones that truly are here to help will address those in their own manner, and that might be a postive post and an inquiring PM as to their level of comfort, I have done this and I am sure I not the only one. You easily seem to look past the positive things, so you must dwell on the negative?
Summing it up, human character, the more you care the more you communicate and establish respect, it isn't automatic LC. Slow down and communicate, please don't continue to make assumptions on what you are uninformed about, I would appreciate that as I can tell you the folks on the NW forum have been very very good to me, and I worked to earn their respect and I give it back in return.
Take care and I do hope to see some of your work soon on any forum!
Karl
PS I also cordially invite anyone who has left the NW forum back......I would greatly appreciate that you take another look and be a constructive part of it
p.3 #4 · Do you guys give sincere opinions about pics ?
Hmm, I mostly just skim over what doesn't appeal to me. Sometimes though if I see a shot that had potential, I might comment giving my thoughts on what I might have done differently.
p.3 #5 · Do you guys give sincere opinions about pics ?
There is some very good photography displayed on the N-W forum.
Yet, they also seem to have a bit of a buddy-buddy club going on whereby reciprocal praise abounds and good critique/suggestions are often absent even when painfully warrantied.
I suppose the idea is to have lottsa fun and try not to hurt anyone's feelings, which is also OK.
Besides, so many are oversharpening their poor birdie images that I get tired of repeating the same old comment..."Hey, that's a cute looking porcupine."
p.3 #6 · Do you guys give sincere opinions about pics ?
I'm honest with my opinions. The only time I won't post an opinion is when there's a pic that is oof or soft or there's just nothing that separates it from a quick p&s snap and people have already posted rave reviews for the pic. That seems to happen a lot on the N&W forum I think people are afraid to hurt others feelings which I can kind of understand, but praising sub-par pics doesn't really help the photographer.
p.3 #8 · Do you guys give sincere opinions about pics ?
paulhodson wrote:
Two answers - I ignore most - as they have not moved me to comment - but if I do comment I am always honest if passing an opinion and I hope helpful where I make suggestions.
Some posts are so good that I will post very brief compliments even though they are not helpful - simply because the image deserves a response.
I can't post a response to every image I view or my 12,000+ post count would have another 1 in front of it
That's my take also, mostly. Critique or comment or both, usually you can learn something, even if it only to see what you don't want to do. But many times something is so good and beyond my ability it is not possible to critique, but I may give some praise...because, well, that is honest too.
Also, if good comments or critique have already been given by the time I see a post, no point in saying the same thing over.
it loosens up the atmosphere and you get to have fun all at once... I skipped through the rules when it comes to posting.. admit it.. how many of us read the entire Rules to post line... I'm sure Fred wouldn't have any problem with some fun on the threads... So.... those of you who think no Joking allowed.... have a good dull life.
I think people are afraid to hurt others feelings which I can kind of understand, but praising sub-par pics doesn't really help the photographer. 