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p.94 #1 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


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38 MP? Uh I think the maximum physically possible before image starts to degrade for 35mm format sensors is 25 MP.


You THINK?

And your expertise in this area is...

After you explain that, tell it to Hassie and Phase One, as their high end sensors are already over that size limit by a fair amount.



Sep 25, 2008 at 02:33 PM
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p.94 #2 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


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Jerry, you're missing the point. Look at CPU technology & MHz wars of the early 2000s, for a while, CPUs seemed to be going up in MHz, the highest MHz ceiling for ANY production CPU is 3.8 MHz, which was done by Intel's Pentium 4 back in 2004. The physical limitations of the CPU core only allows up to 3.8 MHz without damaging the CPU by causing instability to the system or overheating. The voltage was too high, power consumption went up to a whopping 124W idle and 226W under a full load while most of the other CPUs from
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Again, what you're saying isn't true. You are making assumptions that have little basis in reality.

Just as there is no problem with increasing cpu speeds, as technology proceeds, though it did become more difficult, there is little impeding a raise in sensor density. That doesn't mean that all of these technologies have no limits, of course they do.

But those limits are way off.

I would rather believe Canon, when they state that it's possible to achieve 65 MP FF sensors, and that 50 MP sensors are certainly possible, then listen to people who know little about it claim they they think it's not possible.

Using the old car analogy isn't useful. The two areas have nothing to do with each other. You simply can't compare mechanical systems that must deal with weight, mass, inertia, physical strength, etc, with purely electronic systems which have to deal with none of those issues, and have completely different issues of their own, and completely different methods of dealing with them.

What you are missing about cpus as well, is that todays Intel cpus in a number of cases, can be clocked much higher than the old, supposedly higher clocked Prescott chips, and that's on air, no liquid cooling, where they can be clocked even higher. In a year, we will see officially clocked chips at the level of the last Prescotts, 3.8 GHz. After that, clocks will continue to rise as we get to 22nm. What happens after that, no one know now. But something else will come along.

This is what we are seeing with camera sensors. It was thought, several years ago, that 18 MP for a FF sensor was the max that could be done. We now know that at least 30 MP can be done, because it IS being done.

We haven't seen the last of this by a long shot. Get used to it.



Sep 25, 2008 at 02:50 PM
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p.94 #3 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


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According to an interview made by a Swedish photo journalist, at PhotoKina, he asked about the auto focus on the new 5D2.... and the answer was: Canon had got very good feedback from users of 5D, in fact the satisfaction on this model (regarding focus) were amongst the best, and hence they felt the money spent on developing the new 5D2 were better spent on improving other things i.e. sensor and video...But they addmitted that focus algorithms were tweked and should be even better than the old model!


That sounds like a complete cop-out to me. The 5D's AF is so good it did not need an update? If anything is complained about the 5D it is the AF. What Canon should have said was this: 'Well it would be too expensive to design a new AF system, and if we had done so it would conflict with 1-series sales, so we decided to go ahead and save some money by just tossing in the current 5D AF system'. Think about it--those looking for a new body who are not buying the 5DII are not doing so because of the otherwise outdated AF system; the next best thing is the 1DsIII--then again its double the price. Time will tell whether or not there is difference b/t the original AF and the so-called 'tweaked' AF.



Sep 25, 2008 at 03:03 PM
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p.94 #4 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


Mel Gross wrote:
You THINK?

And your expertise in this area is...

After you explain that, tell it to Hassie and Phase One, as their high end sensors are already over that size limit by a fair amount.


Wow, Hasselblad and Phase One make 35mm format sensors? Link please!



Sep 25, 2008 at 03:09 PM
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http://www.divephotoguide.com/news/lecia_announces_37_5_megapixel_s2_dslr



Sep 25, 2008 at 03:13 PM
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Yohan Pamudji wrote:
Wow, Hasselblad and Phase One make 35mm format sensors? Link please!


Did you actually read my post, or did you just pick up on a few small things. Please read it again.

Thank you.



Sep 25, 2008 at 03:47 PM
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p.94 #7 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


What an anti climax. C'mon .... as you say, life is too short, etc. Get the 5D II and enjoy!

globalkiwi wrote:
Indeed, life too short etc. What I've seen of the files posted here & elsewhere have led me to be pretty damn optimistic. Obviously, we need better pics - RAW's especially - but I'm getting quite excited about this camera. I know some don't care about it, but I was also really impressed by the quality of the video that LaForet posted on his blog ...

Unfortunately, all the excitement will be vicarious for a quite while - I'm not likely to get my hands on one for at least 11 or 12 months.




Sep 25, 2008 at 04:05 PM
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Hoping to indulge in a bit of vicarious excitement yourself Bobby?

My point's been made & I suspect gazzajagman feels the same. Sorry, nothing to see here, move on.



Sep 25, 2008 at 04:24 PM
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true, although seeing how nikon evolved i don't think the expectations were crazy (Especially seeing how a clear majority had them), so i think it's only obvious after the fact to say that (although knowing canon maybe we should've known that nothing would ever change them from their course less than truly severe market share loss at all levels).

Canon has never reacted in that way to any salient by another manufacturer. Even when the autofocusing Minolta Maxxum 7000 made every other SLR obsolete, Canon still released the T-90 a year later and took an additional year before releasing their first AF camera. Canon doesn't turn on a dime, never has, never will.

Second, because their take on who their target audience is and what camera best suits them is not the same as Nikon's. Different priorities are evident throughout the range.

Abso-doggone-aye-lutely.

Nikon has the D300 and D700, so it's not unreasonable to think Canon could at least offer something similar.

Yes, it is unreasonable. They never have. While it's possible for someone to do something surprisingly different from what they've done before, it's always a poor risk to bet on it, unless you have genuine evidence that they will.

There was no actual reason to expect Canon to "react" to Nikon--hence, it was "unreasonable." "High hopes" is not evidence.



Sep 25, 2008 at 04:41 PM
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p.94 #10 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


That sounds like a complete cop-out to me. The 5D's AF is so good it did not need an update?

Well, now, that depends totally on who they asked.



Sep 25, 2008 at 04:44 PM
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p.94 #11 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


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Well, now, that depends totally on who they asked.


Landscape and studio portrait photogs, I'm sure--but there is no need to make it seem like the majority were satisfied. Anyhow, It was a decent AF at the time but its been two years, lets get serious instead of directly insulting the consumer.



Sep 25, 2008 at 04:49 PM
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p.94 #12 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


Just came back from a 2-day stay in Koeln, one of wich i've spent at Photokina...
can i just say one thing:


5DmkII kicks ass... Nikon ass that is. iso6400 is much better on 5DII than on D700 (max.zoom on the screen, the canon guys didn't let me put my cf in the camera... "beta version, bla bla"...)
Frankly i was quite dissapointed in the D700, And quite impressed with the ruggedness and the new feel of the 5DII. It looks almost the same, but it feels totally different because of the magnesium body



Sep 25, 2008 at 05:05 PM
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The 5D and 5D Mk II never pretended to be a camera for fast action .... and therefore there is no need for a better AF system. The 5D's AF was very good, and apparently it got a little better with the 5D II. That's more than sufficient.

The 5D and 5D Mk II prides itself in image quality, and towards this end Canon has delivered by giving us 21 megapixels. This is not unlike what Leica did with the S2 .... give you ONE AF point (they believe that's all you need) .... and lots of resolution/pixels. The 5D II with the ZE 21/2.8 Distagon will make a formidable landscape camera!

Need a high-speed camera to shoot in low light with shallow DOF? Get the 1D III or wait for the 1D IV, and pick up a few f1.4 and f1.2 lenses. You cannot have everything .... and want it cheap. It's horses for courses, and you get what you pay for. Move on.



Sep 25, 2008 at 05:05 PM
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p.94 #14 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


Flav wrote:
Just came back from a 2-day stay in Koeln, one of wich i've spent at Photokina...
can i just say one thing:

5DmkII kicks ass... Nikon ass that is. iso6400 is much better on 5DII than on D700 (max.zoom on the screen, the canon guys didn't let me put my cf in the camera... "beta version, bla bla"...)
Frankly i was quite dissapointed in the D700, And quite impressed with the ruggedness and the new feel of the 5DII. It looks almost the same, but it feels totally different because of the magnesium body


You've got a 5D, did you find anything different about the MKII's AF? More directly, is there a noticeable improvement?



Sep 25, 2008 at 05:08 PM
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bobbytan wrote:
The 5D and 5D Mk II never pretended to be a camera for fast action .... and therefore there is no need for a better AF system.


Right. So you have now a camera that can do ISO 25600 and can't focus in that light with an outer sensor point. Better AF is not only for action sports, but for a slowly paced wedding, indoors, with an 85L close to wide open, too.



Sep 25, 2008 at 05:09 PM
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bobbytan wrote:
The 5D and 5D Mk II never pretended to be a camera for fast action .... and therefore there is no need for a better AF system. The 5D's AF was very good, and apparently it got a little better with the 5D II. That's more than sufficient.

The 5D and 5D Mk II prides itself in image quality, and towards this end Canon has delivered by giving us 21 megapixels. This is not unlike what Leica did with the S2 .... give you ONE AF point (they believe that's all you need) .... and lots of resolution/pixels. The 5D II
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Bobby, I'm not sure if you were speaking directly to me but if so I'd like to start out by saying I never said anything about "fast action" so please, for argument sake, hold your tongue on that note. I'm speaking of more AF points laid out in an innovative array along side quicker locking ability. Second, it's been 2 years! The least they could have done was update the AF system....its like the 1DsIII using the same AF system as used in the original 1Ds--would people be happy then? Give me a break with this "what do you expect for the price" BS. Nikon has done it...Canon can do it--simple as that. And please, no comebacks telling me to switch to Nikon.



Sep 25, 2008 at 05:18 PM
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stanj wrote:
Right. So you have now a camera that can do ISO 25600 and can't focus in that light with an outer sensor point. Better AF is not only for action sports, but for a slowly paced wedding, indoors, with an 85L close to wide open, too.


Well put, Sir.



Sep 25, 2008 at 05:19 PM
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p.94 #18 · Canon 5D Mark II master thread


No, my response was not addressed to anyone in particular.

Can someone tell me the rationale to have just ONE auto-focus point in a $30,000 body?

M Vers wrote:
Bobby, I'm not sure if you were speaking directly to me but if so I'd like to start out by saying I never said anything about "fast action" so please, for argument sake, hold your tongue on that note. I'm speaking of more AF points laid out in an innovative array along side quicker locking ability. Second, it's been 2 years! The least they could have done was update the AF system....its like the 1DsIII using the same AF system as used in the original 1Ds--would people be happy then? Give me a break with this "what do you
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Sep 25, 2008 at 05:24 PM
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stanj wrote:
Right. So you have now a camera that can do ISO 25600 and can't focus in that light with an outer sensor point. Better AF is not only for action sports, but for a slowly paced wedding, indoors, with an 85L close to wide open, too.


If you care about quality you shouldn't be shooting past ISO 6400.



Sep 25, 2008 at 05:28 PM
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Mel Gross wrote:
Did you actually read my post, or did you just pick up on a few small things. Please read it again.

Thank you.


Your post was 3 sentences long. I read it all. And I read it again. What did I miss? Or was I supposed to read between the lines?



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