I don't think that 21 mp will stress many of the L primes, but it may differentiate some of the L zooms. 21mp, full frame is still a fiarly low pixel pitch. It's about the same as the 20D's sensor. The issue with corner sharpness is a typical full frame issue that is common to all full frame cameras.
The 1Ds4 with it's rumoured 38mp sensor will probably give even the finest lens a run for it's money. My 10mp 40D can show the difference in sharpness between my 85L and 135L (wide open) where as my current 5D can't. The 1Ds4 will have over 3 times the resolution of the currnet 5D and nearly twice that of the new 5DII.
stanj wrote:
I think the exact number is somewhat irrelevant. But that's not the point: for the very small space savings on disk (which is fact), you lose the huge benefit of doing debeyer in post processing.
stan, i think the guys that like to shoot ISO 12800/25600 will like it as a way of reducing noise. You're not going to make big prints at that ISO anyway. But you could do this all later in software, but I guess it's still less work to shot sRAW.
The HD video from the 5D II is simply amazing. I thought the video would be good, but not that good. But I must say it''s let down by the fact it doesn't record audio in DTS 7.1
This camera will be a sales bonanza for Canon.
Yes as I said in my first post on the 5D II, I'll be buying one, yes the AF is a let down but it's not fast enough to be an action camera anyway, so the AF is as good as it needs to be.
gazzajagman wrote:
I don't think that 21 mp will stress many of the L primes, but it may differentiate some of the L zooms. 21mp, full frame is still a fiarly low pixel pitch. It's about the same as the 20D's sensor. The issue with corner sharpness is a typical full frame issue that is common to all full frame cameras.
The 1Ds4 with it's rumoured 38mp sensor will probably give even the finest lens a run for it's money. My 10mp 40D can show the difference in sharpness between my 85L and 135L (wide open) where as my current 5D can't. The 1Ds4 will have over 3 times the resolution of the currnet 5D and nearly twice that of the new 5DII....Show more →
Where did the 38MP rumour come from? That's just extrapolating the 50D pixel density to FF. I don't believe it and don't want to see it. They should work on MF if they want that sort of pixel count and let 35mm max out at 30MP. The quality of a huge print froma 38MP image forma 35mm FF will never match that from a MF sensor of the same pixel count. If you really are wanting to make prints that large you be very discerning about such issues, and the MF glass is much better. No free lunch IMO.
Pixel Perfect wrote:
This camera will be a sales bonanza for Canon.
Yes as I said in my first post on the 5D II, I'll be buying one, yes the AF is a let down but it's not fast enough to be an action camera anyway, so the AF is as good as it needs to be.
It's nice to see that some people "get it"... This was never designed to be an action camera - you can use it for that purpose but there are better choices. If they had make the AF considerably better, then the reason(s) for spending 2-2.5x on a 1DsMkIII would be very few. For landscapes and even slow moving action this will be a terrific camera. The video is icing on the cake.
gazzajagman wrote:
The 1Ds4 with it's rumoured 38mp sensor will probably give even the finest lens a run for it's money. My 10mp 40D can show the difference in sharpness between my 85L and 135L (wide open) where as my current 5D can't. The 1Ds4 will have over 3 times the resolution of the currnet 5D and nearly twice that of the new 5DII.
This not directed at gazzajagman specifically - I'm just kind of gobsmacked in general. After months of baseless, & at times plain fanciful, speculation, the 5D2 has finally been announced. Predictably it was met with howls of disapproval from those folk who had allowed their expectations to be raised in the preceding weeks & we've now endured a week or two of pretty vitriolic & emotive bickering about whether it was "good enough" or not (AF, pixels, video, sealing, yada, yada). Now, before any of us have even laid hands on the thing, speculation about the 1D4 has begun! I guess in a day or two Fred will initiate a 1D4 rumor thread & the whole cycle will start all over again ...
It's like there's absolutely no collective memory (or learning) here whatsoever!
Pixel Perfect wrote:
stan, i think the guys that like to shoot ISO 12800/25600 will like it as a way of reducing noise. You're not going to make big prints at that ISO anyway. But you could do this all later in software, but I guess it's still less work to shot sRAW.
The HD video from the 5D II is simply amazing. I thought the video would be good, but not that good. But I must say it''s let down by the fact it doesn't record audio in DTS 7.1
This camera will be a sales bonanza for Canon.
Yes as I said in my first post on the 5D II, I'll be buying one, yes the AF is a let down but it's not fast enough to be an action camera anyway, so the AF is as good as it needs to be....Show more →
rsg_1 wrote:
The 3.9FPS is about 82.2 MP/s processing. My guess is that Canon didn't want to go faster to ensure an accurate AF lock when in servo focus mode. Looking at the fellow from the Philippines, who posted images from a soccer match and table tennis match using the 5DMkII, he commented about the servo focus being very accurate and not as sluggish as the original 5D. In my opinion, I expect the AF accuracy to be improved by 50% over the 5D.
The mirror blackout and shutter lag were destined to be the same because Canon did not re-work the shutter from the 5D. All they did was place the controlling magnets in a different location to get a shutter life of 150,000 actuations.
I've changed my mind about this camera and will get it when it comes out. Its a decent upgrade, but its priced about $200 USD too high. It should be about $2500 and it should have come out last PMA. ...Show more →
good news if those AI servo comments are true (of course they could just put in a faster main cpu to handle 5fps though if that was really the problem so not much of an excuse)
for those $200 they couldve updated to a new shutter/mirror.
anyway, if the AF is better as that guy claims then at least it's just down to the fps/shutter lag/mirror blackout and the shutter lag can be trained for (except for the cases where there is no way to anticiapte a moment ahead of time).
i may give it a try.
i just hope the new reports of decembe delivery are false and that the nicer mid to late october ones are still correct, otherwise the entire fall foliage and fall sports seasons are missed!
Other things like mirror blackout, shutter lag etc, seems like quite rational complaints. I have quite a few examples of childish comments towards people that MAKE these constructive points, you get flamed quite bitterly, even if you, as I, have already have ordered it and think it is great BUT has a few faults.
The 5D is what it is: An inexpensive consumer body with a high-quality sensor with IQ being its only special claim to fame. After three years we should know what it is not: It's not a sports camera, it's not a PJ camera, it's not a combat camera.
The 5D2 is even more of what the 5D was--an consumer body with a high-quality sensor with IQ being its only special claim to fame (and, yes, video is very quickly going to be common in consumer bodies--just not as good in IQ as the 5D2). Anyone expecting Canon to turn the 5D2 into a different kind of camera had misplaced expectations.
RDKirk wrote:
The 5D is what it is: An inexpensive consumer body with a high-quality sensor with IQ being its only special claim to fame. After three years we should know what it is not: It's not a sports camera, it's not a PJ camera, it's not a combat camera.
The 5D2 is even more of what the 5D was--an consumer body with a high-quality sensor with IQ being its only special claim to fame (and, yes, video is very quickly going to be common in consumer bodies--just not as good in IQ as the 5D2). Anyone expecting Canon to turn the 5D2 into a different kind of camera had misplaced expectations....Show more →
true, although seeing how nikon evolved i don't think the expectations were crazy (Especially seeing how a clear majority had them), so i think it's only obvious after the fact to say that (although knowing canon maybe we should've known that nothing would ever change them from their course less than truly severe market share loss at all levels).
anyway if it actually can AI servo somewhat better than a 50D and with 21MP and the video mode and all i'm sure it will be exciting to have in hand regardless of certain things that've could've been done. I'm pretty sure i'll give it a try now, especially if it arrives earlier rather than later and i could make use of it during the late fall otherwise i might sit back for a couple months at least and see if price drops at all or what else occurs. It's just a litlte tough to shell out $3000 and know that in some respects you are dropping back to the rebel quality features you avoided by getting 20D's and 40D's, although if the AF is improved at least itll only be the shutter/mirror that are down to rebel levels and nothing else (and well even the 5D AF is better than rebel).
Pixel Perfect wrote:
Most of us do, because the others aren't up to the task.
I use center point most of the time on my 1 series camera also. I bet if you went to a game and checked around you find the majority of the 1 series would be in center point or ring of fire.
RDKirk wrote:
The 5D is what it is: An inexpensive consumer body with a high-quality sensor with IQ being its only special claim to fame. After three years we should know what it is not: It's not a sports camera, it's not a PJ camera, it's not a combat camera.
The 5D2 is even more of what the 5D was--an consumer body with a high-quality sensor with IQ being its only special claim to fame (and, yes, video is very quickly going to be common in consumer bodies--just not as good in IQ as the 5D2). Anyone expecting Canon to turn the 5D2 into a different kind of camera had misplaced expectations....Show more →
RDKirk wrote:
The 5D is what it is: An inexpensive consumer body with a high-quality sensor with IQ being its only special claim to fame. After three years we should know what it is not: It's not a sports camera, it's not a PJ camera, it's not a combat camera.
The 5D2 is even more of what the 5D was--an consumer body with a high-quality sensor with IQ being its only special claim to fame (and, yes, video is very quickly going to be common in consumer bodies--just not as good in IQ as the 5D2). Anyone expecting Canon to turn the 5D2 into a different kind of camera had misplaced expectations....Show more →
PJ's had a large part in deciding the specs of the video from what I read, and I'd say this will be a PJ's dream - they can shoot sRAW if they don't need huge files and can capture stellar video footage.
jerrykur wrote:
I use center point most of the time on my 1 series camera also. I bet if you went to a game and checked around you find the majority of the 1 series would be in center point or ring of fire.
Yes but the others aren't useless and I quite often use outer points on the 1D II for better compositions.
I don't know. I will get a II. As far as a workhorse and taking abuse my 5 has. I have shot for years using pro cameras and while the 5 is not like a number of my pro cameras it has taken the same type of abuse and done great. It has been nocked to the floor with a nice big lens, thumped on rocks while climbing and beat about in hard work in China for over a year from hot and humid to cold to hard, hard rains. I was areas so dusty and difficult i would have to clean the sensor 1 to 2 times a day and the sensor is still fine (wet cleaning, it was that bad and it wasn't because of sealing it was needing to change lenses but the camera took it and still works fine).
So what to expect with the II with some updates, higher IQ, more sealing etc? Well I am not going to cry about a few features I might have liked. I still remember shooting with a Leica IIIC, so who is to complain?
jamato8 wrote:
I don't know. I will get a II. As far as a workhorse and taking abuse my 5 has. I have shot for years using pro cameras and while the 5 is not like a number of my pro cameras it has taken the same type of abuse and done great. It has been nocked to the floor with a nice big lens, thumped on rocks while climbing and beat about in hard work in China for over a year from hot and humid to cold to hard, hard rains. I was areas so dusty and difficult i would have to clean the sensor 1 to 2 times a day and the sensor is still fine (wet cleaning, it was that bad and it wasn't because of sealing it was needing to change lenses but the camera took it and still works fine).
So what to expect with the II with some updates, higher IQ, more sealing etc? Well I am not going to cry about a few features I might have liked. I still remember shooting with a Leica IIIC, so who is to complain?...Show more →
Once people have them in their hands and see the IQ they will soon forget any perceived issues, unless they are trying to shoot swallows or swifts in flight
It seems that most of the disapointment about 5D2 centers around Canon "not doing a D700". Meaning the VF, the AF, the fps.
It was pretty clear to me that Canon would never do that.
First, because they are the market leader, and, thus, do not put their feet in anybody's steps.
Second, because their take on who their target audience is and what camera best suits them is not the same as Nikon's. Different priorities are evident throughout the range.
Third, because, somehow, Canon and Nikon have, so far, fastidiously avoided direct head-to-head confrontation. Rather, their offerings are staggered at intermediate price points. 450D is more than D60 but less than 90D. 90D is less than 50D. 50D i less than D300. Etc... In the case of D700 Vs 5D2 the price point is s close as to be the same, but the target customers of both cameras are quite different.
So, if any any point, one feels that there is a camera the specs of which fit one's needs perfectly (D700 in this example), it might be best to buy it, 'cause a clone from the rival company is just not going to happen.
Now, of course, we can all wish to have the best of both worlds. So much for wishes...
The VF was NEVER an issue with the 5DMkII. It has a 98% VF with 0.71x magnification with an 21mm eye point. The 5D has 96% VF with 0.71x magnification with 20mm eye point. The D700 has a 95% VF with 0.72x magnification with 18mm eye point.
This means the VF on the 5DMkII is bigger and brighter.
