I just simply cannot believe that they didn't change the shutter lag and viewfinder blackout.. it blows my mind.. and the fact that the AF is the same old system after all this time. It's crushing.
James Cripps wrote:
I just simply cannot believe that they didn't change the shutter lag and viewfinder blackout.. it blows my mind.. and the fact that the AF is the same old system after all this time. It's crushing.
The only way that Canon can please everybody is to market just ONE DSLR .... and have everything in it .... for $1,999. I don't think that is going to happen .... EVER.
The way I see it, this 5D Mk II is $600 cheaper than the 5D (3 years ago) .... and it has the following improvements over the original 5D:
21.1 megpixels new sensor
Digic IV image processor
Reduced microlens gap
14-bit A/D converter
ISO 100-6400 (Expanded 50-25600)
High-def 1080p video/movie
98% viewfinder coverage
ISO display on top plate
New/improved 1800 mAh battery
Partial weather sealing
AF micro-adjustment <20 lenses
2 silent modes
3" VGA screen with auto brightness
Self cleaning sensor
Live view mode
150,000 exposure shutter life
Image copyright metadata support
4 frames per second
2 sRAW modes (10 or 5mp)
3 custom modes/presets
Auto lighting optimization
Supports UDMA CF cards
HDMI connector
harrygilbert wrote:
I disagree with the statement that the feature set of the 5DII is in keeping with the intent of the 5D: "image quality at a low price". If that were the case, the money spent on including video would have been spent instead on improving the AF.
Maybe Canon was so focused on finding and fixing the problems with the 1Dx3 AF fiasco that they really didn't have anything in the pipeline to improve AF - so they put in video instead?
Don't misunderstand my position - the 5DII isn't a "bad" camera, and I'm sure it will satisfy some. But as an owner of two 5Ds, what I was looking for (better AF) does not appear to be there in this release. Maybe the next model. I don't need 21 mp, I don't need or want video. I do want my shots to be sharply focused, and that means also with lenses slower than f/2.8. And "LiveView" coupled with manual focusing won't cut it with many of the shots I take. Not all my shots are of stationary subjects with the camera on a tripod....Show more →
Harry,
What shots are you having problems capturing with your 5D? I have been comparing the AF on my 5D with my 1DMK2 and am pretty impressed. Even with moving subjects (cars and motorcycles) the 5D has only a slightly lower keeper rate than the 1DMK2.
In low light the 5D is much better than the 1DMK2.
What shots are you having problems capturing with your 5D? I have been comparing the AF on my 5D with my 1DMK2 and am pretty impressed. Even with moving subjects (cars and motorcycles) the 5D has only a slightly lower keeper rate than the 1DMK2.
In low light the 5D is much better than the 1DMK2.
jerry
I'll try to give you a perspective - trying to use anything with the center focus point on my 5D just isn't accurate. The whole suggestion of "picking the focus point" is a joke. So every shot is put the center spot on where I want focus, press * to focus, recompose, and shoot. I really did want some improvement in the accuracy and spread of the other points. Especially with any lens slower than f/2.8.
James Cripps wrote:
I just simply cannot believe that they didn't change the shutter lag and viewfinder blackout.. it blows my mind.. and the fact that the AF is the same old system after all this time. It's crushing.
What? Really? Same shutter lag and VF blackout? Wow, how 2005!
But they use really smart batteries now that tell you how many shots are on them..
Here in the UK the D700 plus 12-24 costs £2300 ex VAT. Thats around $4200 USD. Now that's quite a deal!
Now, I could just buy a D700 body at around £1500 (ex Vat) and use it with my beloved Nikkor 28mm f1.4 for nightwork. I could then keep my Canon lenses and use them with my 40D, wait a couple of years and see if Canon have brought out a sensibly priced 10/15 megapixel fullframe body by then.
Buy it now. You are cheap with D700 in UK. Take it now, before the price is corrected.
The same would be here in germany $ 4.847,4709 without tax (+19%= additional $ 920)
Its warping my mind that if Nikon would have better IQ at lower prices (what could have been, if they would have investigatet more manpower and money in that the last 5 years). This is a very serious issue. Its very terrible to think what Nikon bodys could meen to all photographers, iff they would have best IQ ...
That 2nd post before is the most cracy comment I ever read ... :-)
Have a great day "eosfun, skibum6 and brainiac" I am not sure who of you wrote what though ...!
I'll try to give you a perspective - trying to use anything with the center focus point on my 5D just isn't accurate. The whole suggestion of "picking the focus point" is a joke. So every shot is put the center spot on where I want focus, press * to focus, recompose, and shoot. I really did want some improvement in the accuracy and spread of the other points. Especially with any lens slower than f/2.8.
For nearly three decades I photographed with a manual focus camera that had only a center focus aid. Never had problems with "focus and recompose" then. Still not having problems with it.
I got a full grounglass screen (no central focusing aid) for certain subjects which I preferred not to "focus and recompose" and that worked fine.
James Cripps wrote:
I just simply cannot believe that they didn't change the shutter lag and viewfinder blackout.. it blows my mind.. and the fact that the AF is the same old system after all this time. It's crushing.
Is the shutterlag / VF blackout still of the same annoyance? How do you know that?
same me with D60, 350D abd 30D. My D60 was (drunken and forgotten) out in the garden rain for 6 hours. It was water in the lens. After putting out the akkus and drying it for 10 hours, it worked again without problems.
Its an annoyance and nothing more than that. I wish it was better, but I guess we can't have everything. It does sound like Canon deliberately didn't improve this when they could so they don't eat into the 1D sales. Their sales are going to be eaten by Nikon.
"Although no formal testing has been done on the new model yet..."
although we have seen that canon's product testing can't catch all bugs in a product before release, for a canon engineer to say that "no formal testing has been done on the new model" sounds a bit odd to me.
ymmv. cheers =)
I've made precisely the same comment. No engineer would have said that. I suspect this person meant that nobody has done a comparison of the 5D with any non-Canon camera. But no Canon engineer would have said there had been "no formal testing." There has certainly been much formal testing done within Canon.
If that were the case, the money spent on including video would have been spent instead on improving the AF.
Probably not. I suspect the technology involved in video is being distributed to all the cameras. I also suspect that Canon market research indicates cum-video to be "the next big thing," meaning that they believe they will make more money with this added feature than merely improving an AF system that is acceptable to most of their users. Once they developed "Live View," video was really just the next step.
rsg_1 wrote:
Its an annoyance and nothing more than that. I wish it was better, but I guess we can't have everything. It does sound like Canon deliberately didn't improve this when they could so they don't eat into the 1D sales. Their sales are going to be eaten by Nikon.
Sounds like they just re-used the same shutter mechanism as in the 5D... nothing wrong with that of course... just annoying
rsg_1 wrote:
It depends on when they took the quote during product development.
No, it doesn't. Even if the quote had been taken prior to testing (darned near impossible---testing would have been ongoing at every stage of development: Development testing, unit testing, system testing, et cetera), not engineer would have made that statement. Testing is an inherent part of the engineering process.
Besides, this quote is obviously taken from a "post project" perspective.
?
It does sound like Canon deliberately didn't improve this when they could so they don't eat into the 1D sales. Their sales are going to be eaten by Nikon.
