digitalbug30d wrote:
How do we know the tru AF ability yet? the 9pts in the new body is 3 years better than the old one...its not rocket science this should be implied..until one of us get our hands on one with the endless pics of rulers,brickwalls,batteries,beer bottles,flies on beer bottles...geez this thread should be re-named " babies'R us"
Jman13 wrote:
Well, there doesn't exist a 24-105 II, so either it's a typo, or there are more announcements to come from Canon at Photokina.
well it was another newspaper that leaked the nikon d90 so it might pan out
Bruce Sawle's comments didn't seem baby like to me. He just seems to have different expectations of a newly released 21 mp cameras AF than what has been delivered. Having owned a 5D and a mk111, I don't feel that Canon is capable of delivering a more capable and consistently reliable AF system at this point in time. Having said that image quality is my primary concern, and if the initial tests are positive, I will probably buy one.
no more AF....enough until we get our hands on one...is there anything you guys like about the thing..cant be MPs either since that was slammed about 30 pages ago...weather sealing isnt up to a 1 series OMG the end surely is near..heres a clue sherlock it isnt supposed to be a 1 series..
lets talk about what we know about the thing instead of what WE dont know yet
new 9pt AF is most likely to be better than Old 9pt AF if its just 1 stop its better
any weather sealing is better than no-weather sealing
21 MPs has a better IQ than 12 MPs(of which 12 is more than enough)
920k display is better than a 230k one
full size USB2 is a plus ability to connect a hyperdrive to it in field
HDMI out isnt a gimmick you now can hook this camera to a larger monitor without going through a computer.
I love the following:
face detection & contrast detection (even if it's only a precursor of faster things to come)
ISO 25600
21 megapixel
sraw & mraw
liveview
sharp monitor
3 C-modes
wifi grip
separate auto-rotate setting for camera and computer
4fps
less salient on/off switch
UDMA
video 1080p
how many have preordered it yet? are any of the "AF sucks..blahblah..blah" going to buy it and test it out or are they just here to fill up the forums with text.
if AF sucks so bad on paper...you know your choices...go to teh Nikon forum and fill that forum up with "Switching from Canon..." ..PLEASE
Good thing fred doesn't charge for text like AT&T does for text messages....
Check out the prices for a text message plan on AT&T, the exclusive carrier of the iPhone 3G in the United States. AT&T wants twenty cents ($0.20) per text message if you don’t sign up for a plan. A text message is nothing more than 160 bytes of data. The max is 160 characters, and one character equals one byte of data. Great.
Again, AT&T is charging you twenty cents for 160 bytes of data. To illustrate how absurd that is, consider the following.
If 160 bytes of data costs twenty cents then 1MB (1,048,576 bytes) of data would cost 131,072 cents, or $1,310.72.
In other words, if AT&T charged data downloads at the rate they charge text messages downloading 1MB of data would cost you $1,310.72.
digitalbug30d wrote:
no more AF....enough until we get our hands on one...is there anything you guys like about the thing..cant be MPs either since that was slammed about 30 pages ago...weather sealing isnt up to a 1 series OMG the end surely is near..heres a clue sherlock it isnt supposed to be a 1 series..
lets talk about what we know about the thing instead of what WE dont know yet
new 9pt AF is most likely to be better than Old 9pt AF if its just 1 stop its better
any weather sealing is better than no-weather sealing
21 MPs has a better IQ than 12 MPs(of which 12 is more than enough)
920k display is better than a 230k one
full size USB2 is a plus ability to connect a hyperdrive to it in field HDMI out isnt a gimmick you now can hook this camera to a larger monitor without going through a computer. ...Show more →
Sunny Sra wrote:
how many have preordered it yet? are any of the "AF sucks..blahblah..blah" going to buy it and test it out or are they just here to fill up the forums with text.
if AF sucks so bad on paper...you know your choices...go to teh Nikon forum and fill that forum up with "Switching from Canon..." ..PLEASE
Good thing fred doesn't charge for text like AT&T does for text messages....
Check out the prices for a text message plan on AT&T, the exclusive carrier of the iPhone 3G in the United States. AT&T wants twenty cents ($0.20) per text message if you don’t sign up for a plan. A text message is nothing more than 160 bytes of data. The max is 160 characters, and one character equals one byte of data. Great.
Again, AT&T is charging you twenty cents for 160 bytes of data. To illustrate how absurd that is, consider the following.
If 160 bytes of data costs twenty cents then 1MB (1,048,576 bytes) of data would cost 131,072 cents, or $1,310.72.
In other words, if AT&T charged data downloads at the rate they charge text messages downloading 1MB of data would cost you $1,310.72.
Ok so I will have one of these on order by the end of the night... anyone recommend the best place to do that? Any experience with one of the previous models and who got lots of deliveries early on?
I assume Adorama and B&H do a big business on these kinds of things (I think I bought my 20D from one of them but gee it was a long time ago :-)
I for one am not disappointed in this camera. Sure I would take 50 point auto focus and uh... what are the other things folks are complaining about, oh yea frame rate, weather sealing... and some others. But the price is right and I am betting (with my money) that the IQ will be suburb (I had a 5D and sold it a little while back).
Off topic - for those who find that some posts from certain individuals irritate them, try selecting the "hide me" button at the bottom of one of those posts :-) It worked great during some of the flame wars over on the 5D rumors thread :-)
It's funny, I found my 5D using one center focus point focus more accurately in low light than my 1D MKIII. Usually during the wedding, in many cases of the dark room at the reception when the light was dim for dancing, or when I need to take portrait in the low light with my 85 f1.2, my 1D MK3 cannot focus fast enough. I lost confidence with the MKIII so it sit in the back as the backup.I was very supprise about the 1D MKIII focus ability, until I read the acticle from Chuck Westfall . In short, with wedding or portrait photography, the 5D MKII with current focus design will provide sufficient focus ability to any photographer.
Question:
I just got a new 1D Mark II N, and am in a bit of a panic regarding its low-light autofocus lag. In a two-lamps and TV lit room, my 20D snaps objects into focus with both my 28-70L lens and my 100 2.8 macro (both Canon, of course). The new 1D Mark II N actually takes about one second on all of the same objects. It is fine in high light, but it actually takes about a second or more to lock on the same objects upon which the 20D with these lenses locks almost instantly. Both are in the center-square focus point, P-mode, same ISO, single-shot, etc. ... I'm about to panic. Any info, including if that means a suggestion to have it sent in, will be appreciated. I was expecting at least the same performance as my 20D, and it is acting a bit like a fast D60.
Answer from Chuck
One of the differences between the 9-point AF sensor used in the 20D versus the 45-point Area AF sensor used in the EOS-1D class cameras is the size of the individual pixels on each. The pixels on the 45-point AF sensor are much smaller than those on the 9-point AF sensor, and one inevitable result of this difference is superior low-light sensitivity for the 9-point sensor. This is reflected in the specifications for each camera, which state the 20D's AF sensitivity at EV -0.5 compared to EV 0 for the 1D Mark II N.
brainiac wrote:
The mk3's are super at focussing in low light. Better than my 5D. Reputed to be better than the Nikons.
jerrykur wrote:
Canon states the 5DMK2 can handle rain @ 10 mm (.4 in )/3 minutes. Other people has written the 1D can handle 10 inch / 1 hr (60 min) = .5in /3 min. So the numbers are very close. Also, 10 or 9 inches of rain per hour is a major downpour. Better start building the Ark if that keeps up.
That sounds very dubious indeed. 10mm in 1 hour I would believe, but 10mm in 3 minutes is 8" in 1 hour and I do not even believe a 1 series would cope with that for very long.
Daan B wrote:
I don't want to be a party pooper here, but even my G9 would look great for the web at ISO 12800 (if it had ISO 12800)
Now that is the biggest porky I've heard in my life - a G9 at ISO 12800 would produce nothing more than a surrealistic smear even at an avatar sized 80x80 pixels
brainiac wrote:
Marketingdroid: "Punters want better pixels not more pixels. Can we do that?"
Engineer: "There's no trade-off."
Marketingdroid: "So why do photographers think there is?"
Engineer: "Because they compare 100% crops between two cameras without first uprezzing files to equal magnification."
Marketingdroid: "What does that mean? Just give us more pixels. See you in January."
technically since this sensor DOES NOT use gapless, you do lose out a little the more pixels you add, how much depends upon how close to gapless the 1dsmkiii one is.
perhaps more importantly by going from 18MP to 21MP you loose the chance at 5fps (then again the current cam has 3.9 and appears like it could have 4.5 so maybe it is the old HW that is limiting the fps, but at 18MP they might've been forced to decide to give a new shutter/mirror and then delivered 5.25fps and less shutter lag and less mirror blackout), so there can be other indirect costs....
Daan B wrote:
Another thing about the HDVideo... Does anybody realize that the sound recording will be very bad and that by touching the cam when filming, the noise of that will be recorded too? Pretty useless feature if you ask me...
that's why you use an external mike when get a little more serious about the video clip you are making.
eosfun wrote:
What's so EOSfunny about some of these complaints of lack of the AF capabilities; they come from a few photographers who praised heaven they have the ability to mount (manual focus!) Zeiss glass now They shouldn't even care about the use of AF it seems
but it's warping our minds to know that IF the zeiss distagon COULD actually do auto-focus that it could've been able to do it better if they had even done a tad bit of work over the past three years. This is a very serious issue. It's very terible to think what the AF could've been like if the zeiss had had AF. Imagine how fast it MIGHT have been able to lock onto an f/9 landscape shot.
digitalbug30d wrote:
funny my 30d seemed to work very well with the 100-400 must be that old AF
My 20D did better with the 100-400 than the 40D as does my 5D. I specifically bought the 40D to be my 1D II wild life partner for added reach. I haven't tried the 40D with a fast lens yet, but it's AI servo performance with the 100-400L is crap. One shot is perfect, no complaints.
monochrome wrote:
Have you owned and shot with a 5D? Just wondering how you thought it work for you in lowlight light for your customers. If you just have a 1D2 and a 20D to back it up, and the 1D2 sucks for you in lowlight. Are you doing a disservice to your customers? Just wondering.
If you're not going to play lottery and the MkII isn't up to your standard, what are you going to do?
My 5D's focus much better in low-light at weddings than my MKIIN ever did. In decent light, sure the MKIIN was much better in servo, but quite the opposite in lower light.
Also, like another user posted, the my current MK3 does very well in low light, but I still find that the 5D with center point and expanded invisible points locks faster in extremely low light. C. Westfall's explanation makes complete sense why.
Anyway, I certainly don't claim the current AF system is great on the 5D and will never tell you that it's a sports camera/AI SERVO winner.... But I can say that in single shot in very low light, it definitely works extremely well.
