Ben Horne wrote:
If you take a 5DII into a heavy rain, and it suffers water damage --- I don't think Canon will be honoring the claim that the seals should have held. They will simply say that the rain level was beyond what the camera could stand, and therefore you'll have either a very expensive repair bill, or an unrepairable camera.
They can claim sealing all they want --- I'm stating that I am EXTREMELY weary of this claim that it is sealed as much as the 1 series. It just can't be possible based on the design --- especially once the door starts to get loose with time. ...Show more →
No one knows how canon will react when they send in a 5DMK2 for water damage. Also, since I have never handled a 5DMK2 I cannot say how the CF door mechanism works or how well it keeps out water. I can say that I have never accidentally opened the door on my 5D.
Peter Gregg wrote:
Also adding to the "feel" of the 5D Mark II is the new Digic 4 processor. This will handle all the traffic of the camera at almost twice the speed of the Digic 3 processor and remember that the original 5D camera is operating on Digic 2 processor. This will be the source of a considerable speed up of the camera.
The 40D and 50D use the Digic 4 processor for the entire pipeline of the camera, where the 5D Mark II has an additional processor to the Digic 4 processor which is dedicated for the focus system and at the upper level the 1D Mark III cameras use 2 full Digic 4 processors.
Well it sure beats the heck out of my Kodak 3A in all areas. I hate it when the red bellows gets wet and I have to let it dry out. And movies? That 3A never did a real good job with that either. Never mind that it is over a hundred years old but hey we march on. And my Leica IIIC, that viewer won't match up to the new 5D and the auto focus of the II does beat the pajeebers out of my loved M2. I will wait though for the street price to dip a tiny bit but that may take a while. Then again i may suck it up and plunk down the greens but only after all you guys buy one and work out the bugs. :^)
nefarius wrote:
Damn, there's a bunch of pissy-ass whiners in here!
Face reality and quit being spoiled brats. Do you honestly think Canon is going to deliver you a 1Ds MKIII for the cost of the 5D
I think if the 5DII had D700-equivalent AF there would be a lot less complaining. Users have been begging for 1 series-like AF in a 1V or EOS3 form factor (gripless) for years and it hasn't happened and probably won't for at least another 18 months. The other features are great and should not be dismissed, but Canon clearly has the capability to do this, and it could charge alot more, but it chooses not to. I think that's what's frustrating folks.
orangefirefish wrote:
Ben's point is that it doesn't matter what Canon says, because they won't honor the claim anyhow. In reality, the door design just will not allow adequate sealing on a vital area.
And my point is, how does he know this? Is he a fluids or materials science engineer who has thoroughly examined the design of the 5D II door? I'm betting not. I'm an engineer, and I sure as hell couldn't tell you anything about whether the design works or not because I don't have access to the design drawings, or to the 5D II itself. Also, in order to get a water rating, Canon would have to test the camera in certain environments. They don't just release fake numbers because they think they sound good...they test the cameras under these conditions. The 150K shutter life? They tested buttload of shutters and took the MTBF for the shutter. Same with the water. Manufacturers wont release ratings unless they've been tested.
It is hard to change film fast enough to get 24fps.
jamato8 wrote:
Well it sure beats the heck out of my Kodak 3A in all areas. I hate it when the red bellows gets wet and I have to let it dry out. And movies? That 3A never did a real good job with that either. Never mind that it is over a hundred years old but hey we march on. And my Leica IIIC, that viewer won't match up to the new 5D and the auto focus of the II does beat the pajeebers out of my loved M2. I will wait though for the street price to dip a tiny bit but that may take a while. Then again i may suck it up and plunk down the greens but only after all you guys buy one and work out the bugs. :^)...Show more →
A Five series camera would never have all pro features.
If you feel that Canon should produce a pro small body camera, why complain about it in a 5D thread?
jam51 wrote:
I think if the 5DII had D700-equivalent AF there would be a lot less complaining. Users have been begging for 1 series-like AF in a 1V or EOS3 form factor (gripless) for years and it hasn't happened and probably won't for at least another 18 months. The other features are great and should not be dismissed, but Canon clearly has the capability to do this, and it could charge alot more, but it chooses not to. I think that's what's frustrating folks.
jerrykur wrote:
No one knows how canon will react when they send in a 5DMK2 for water damage. Also, since I have never handled a 5DMK2 I cannot say how the CF door mechanism works or how well it keeps out water. I can say that I have never accidentally opened the door on my 5D.
It's not an issue of accidental fully opening the door. It's an issue of the door creaking around in your hand. It will open a hair, and take compression off the seal. This is true for the D700 as well. It's a factor of the door design. If Canon had simply used a CF door compartment like a D300, it would not be an issue. It needs to be a friction locking door with a latch to keep it sealed.
I've owned the D30, and the 5D, and both had this issue. That's one of the reasons why I've been hoping they would change that design. It wasn't an issue when Canon claimed no weather sealing. However, now that they are claiming weather sealing --- it becomes a big issue.
I really wouldn't have a problem selling my 1Ds3 and picking up a 5DII if the IQ is at least as good --- but the lack of a solid CF door is an issue for me on a supposedly weather sealed body.
Jman13 wrote:
And my point is, how does he know this? Is he a fluids or materials science engineer who has thoroughly examined the design of the 5D II door? I'm betting not.
Simple... it's the same design they've used since the D30. How do I know it's not any different? Because it doesn't have a lock that prevents it from opening and breaking the seal and the door creaks around in your hand. There really isn't anything they can do to this design to make it any better. They would have to physically change the design. I don't need to handle a 5DII to see that they are using a friction fitting door that opens when you pull the door open.
I'm just bringing up a simple point here. Some of the FMers in this thread seem to get what I'm saying, but others must think I'm making a personal attack on them based on the responses I'm getting. This is not rocket science, this is not "fluid or materials science," this is a camera folks. It's the same design CF door they've used since day one. I'm simply stating that it is a design flaw when it comes to weather sealing.
Ben Horne wrote:
Simple... it's the same design they've used since the D30. How do I know it's not any different? Because it doesn't have a lock that prevents it from opening and breaking the seal and the door creaks around in your hand. There really isn't anything they can do to this design to make it any better. They would have to physically change the design. I don't need to handle a 5DII to see that they are using a friction fitting door that opens when you pull the door open.
I'm just bringing up a simple point here. Some of the FMers in this thread seem to get what I'm saying, but others must think I'm making a personal attack on them based on the responses I'm getting. This is not rocket science, this is not "fluid or materials science," this is a camera folks. It's the same design CF door they've used since day one. I'm simply stating that it is a design flaw when it comes to weather sealing.
This is maybe a stupid qustion, but can't this be fixed by a small amount of gaffers tape? Not that it is a 100% solution or that it is positive that one has to fix new gear with gaffers, but still? Wouldn't that lock it in place?
All in all, this is about what I expected and for the money it looks like a pretty decent camera for those who need and /or can live with its feature set. The problem that both Nikon and Canon now have is how to introduce cameras of this level and not just totally wipe out their top-of-the-line products. Personally, the 5D II doesn't meet my needs but I am also having a tough time seeing where there are $5K more in extra goodies in my 1DsMkIII which is less than 6 months old.
ulrikft wrote:
This is maybe a stupid qustion, but can't this be fixed by a small amount of gaffers tape? Not that it is a 100% solution or that it is positive that one has to fix new gear with gaffers, but still? Wouldn't that lock it in place?
ulrikft wrote:
no problem! Just keep in mind that these are in-camera jpg
Thanks for posting... Do you know what in-camera sharpening and high ISO NR were applied to the JPEG's? Even the lower ISO samples look rather soft to me.
