Ben Horne wrote:
IS that meant to be some sort of back handed insult? It sure doesn't sound like a humorous remark. I've handled all these cameras so I'm just saying it like it is. Have you actually looked at the weather sealing on the 40D? It's rubber foam that is suppose to somehow keep water out. The door was not designed for weather sealing. It's the same design they've been using for a long time, but they put a bit of foam rubber on it. There is nothing there that will keep compression on the seals. The same is true for the D700 from nikon. Same door design. I don't see how it could be a reliable weather seal. ...Show more →
I have a one series camera. IQ means image quality. The 5DII is rated for heavy rain. My degrees in electrical engineering and industrial design are pending, so I'm not going to evaluate the way Canon has designed the camera to allow this rating. I know if I drop my 1DIII on concrete it breals. I know if I drop the 5DII it breaks.
It's not like the 1 D is bullet proof. It's made for a heavy duty cycle. The 5DII is rain rated and now they will fix a water damaged 5DII under warranty.
It's amazing how people can determine build quality and weather proofing by handling a camera. I would think you would need to test a camera under the conditions being analyzed.
Tom_W wrote:
Yes it is interesting! Especially the high-ISO shots. I want to see what it can do.
Me, too. Especially ISO 800, 1600, 3200. I already saw 6400 and high1/2 (12.800/25.600)
They looked excellent. But only one sample each. 500 did look fantastic. But I expected that.
Ralph Conway wrote:
Me, too. Especially ISO 800, 1600, 3200. I already saw 6400 and high1/2 (12.800/25.600)
They looked excellent. But only one sample each. 500 did look fantastic. But I expected that.
Why they did not allow to shoot raws?
Canon central had said that no shots were to be published without/outside their control.
crivera wrote:
We better calm down, in a couple month we are will be talking about how good is the IQ of the 5DMK2, and believe me when you start to work with big files and see all the detail you are getting, all the room to crop and how clear are the files from noise you will understand how good this camera is.
I know is not a perfect camera I too wanted a better body with better AF and FPS but for landscape, travel, events and macro work will do fine. But for $2,700.00 is a great buy.
I have a 1Ds MkII and is only 4 FPS versus 3.9 and the 1Ds2 is a great camera, I do believe that with the new Digic IV the AF will be faster and precise than the 5D.
So CANON went for IQ as many people have say instead of a pro body with less IQ.
I just wonder the new 1Ds IV how many MP is going to sport and how many FPS will have with two Digic IV processor….. Stay tuned for February 2009…. Is coming... ...Show more →
I would guess fall, not spring for the 1DiV. If you look at the availability dates for the 50D and 5DII, they don't seem to have much capacity to throw another camera in the mix.
Figure processing capacity at 160 mps. So 8 fps at 20mp, or whatever combo you like.
I seriously can't wait for my MKII to arrive. Looks to be at LEAST 1 stop cleaner than my 5D.
Hell! I would guess, my actual 30Ds ISO 1600 would fit somewhere inbetween ISO 3200 and 6400. even mor tending to 6.400! Thats amazing. So much more, because of my 30Ds 8MP crop sensor instead of the 21MP FF.
Beni wrote:
According to DPReview al 9 AF point are now cross type, in other words the camera has now been updated to the focusing system of the - 40D.
The focus system has 1 cross type sensor and it is the center one. The other focus points are either the single direction horizontal or vertical focus points.
There are also 6 additional hidden (not addressable) focus points that operate much as a mini tracking system but are all within the center focus point array. When in AI Servo mode they monitor if the subject moves and will use each other to keep the focus accurate.
In addition, the focus system now also reads white balance taking into account the different wave lengths in the color spectrum. The different waves in the color spectrum will cause the camera to focus will cause the camera to focus at different inaccurate points in the frame and would be interpreted as what we call front or back focus. By including the spectrum band in the focus calculations it will cause a more accurate focus and also hold it.
There is also a new ability to detect flicker - the on/off effect of light source. If this is detected, the focus system takes a larger sample of the light and uses the different components of the 6 assist focus points to focus on the "on" wave of the light and giving accurate focus.
This new feature of adding white balance spectrum recognition and the flicker algorithm was first included in the 40D center focus point and now will appear in the 50D and the new 5D Mark II. Only the 5 Mark II includes the added "invisible" focus points in this new white balance / flicker algorithm where the 40D and 50D do not have the added hidden focus points to lean on.
In effect there is a mini tracking system built into the center point focus area of the 5D Mark II that would be similar to the 1D Mark III's ability to track across the whole frame but miniaturized into the center focus point along with it's additional 6 focus point sensors.
Although the 50D (and 40D) have all focus points as cross type sensors (both the vertical and horizontal sensor combined at each focus point) only the 5D Mark II expands the functionality of the center cluster by including the additional assist points into the white balance and flicker features in AI Servo mode while the 50D will use this on the one single cross point in the center.
Also adding to the "feel" of the 5D Mark II is the new Digic 4 processor. This will handle all the traffic of the camera at almost twice the speed of the Digic 3 processor and remember that the original 5D camera is operating on Digic 2 processor. This will be the source of a considerable speed up of the camera.
The 40D and 50D use the Digic 4 processor for the entire pipeline of the camera, where the 5D Mark II has an additional processor to the Digic 4 processor which is dedicated for the focus system and at the upper level the 1D Mark III cameras use 2 full Digic 4 processors.
Rubber Soul wrote:
It is a tad askew. It seems like an alleged "sports" camera like a 40D would benefit from having a 5D's AF system. And an alleged "studio" camera like the 5D would be better off with the 40D's.
Weird.
At this point I have the same reaction. Maybe they switched the parts accidentally? I want an ISO 25600 to focus in the dark more than track stuff.
dcmiller wrote:
It is weather sealed. It specifically rated for heavy rain. Do you want it good down to 100 meters?
Where does it say it's rated for heavy rain. It looks to have the same weather sealing as the 40D, which is very half-ass weather sealing. The 40D sure is not rated for a heavy rain. Only the 1 series are --- and even at that they can have problems. It's all in how the seals are done.
Ben Horne wrote:
Where does it say it's rated for heavy rain. It looks to have the same weather sealing as the 40D, which is very half-ass weather sealing. The 40D sure is not rated for a heavy rain. Only the 1 series are --- and even at that they can have problems. It's all in how the seals are done.
They say so in one of the official canon releases. 3mm rain pr hour for 10 minutes (or was it 10mm rain pr hour for 3 minutes? :P ). They also seem to have upgraded the sealing, the dial-sealing and generally updated the ruggedness and build quality.
dcmiller wrote:
I have a one series camera. IQ means image quality. The 5DII is rated for heavy rain. My degrees in electrical engineering and industrial design are pending, so I'm not going to evaluate the way Canon has designed the camera to allow this rating. I know if I drop my 1DIII on concrete it breals. I know if I drop the 5DII it breaks.
It's not like the 1 D is bullet proof. It's made for a heavy duty cycle. The 5DII is rain rated and now they will fix a water damaged 5DII under warranty.
It's amazing how people can determine build quality and weather proofing by handling a camera. I would think you would need to test a camera under the conditions being analyzed. ...Show more →
Oh, I thought IQ stood for "Elephant Eggplant". Thanks for clarifying that. I had no idea that IQ stood for image quality.
You keep stating that the 50DII is rated for "heavy rain." Where do you see this claim. My statements are based on the fact that the 5D appears to be using the SAME general sort of weather sealing as the 40D. Canon claims that the 40D is weather sealed. The FACT is that the 40D's weather sealing is no-where near that of the 1 series.
Seriously buddy, pick up a 40D, and take a look at it. There is foam rubber along the opening for the battery door, and the CF compartment. It looks like the same stuff to keep film cameras light-proof. The door on the 40D/5DII lends itself to be a weakpoint since it is not locked in as well as a 1 series. The same is true for a D700 from Nikon. If a bit of friction is applied, the door will start to open and the "seal" will break.
If you wish to continue this converation, please keep it to the PM. This exchange is getting very old, and it is not contributing to this thread in a meaningful manner.
I want an ISO 25600 to focus in the dark more than track stuff.