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Mike Ganz
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p.4 #1 · Had The Sheriff Called On Me


This is all very amusing. To briefly summarize, a little old lady sees what she thinks is 'suspicious' behavior and notifies the local authorities, as is her right. The local authorities appear and ask a few questions of the alleged offender. The local authorities then determine that there isn't any problem and allow the alleged offender to carry on with what he was doing, all without the need for the alleged offender to whip out a copy of the "Photographer's Bill of Rights" Seems like common sense prevailed, with a "no harm, no foul" outcome. To be honest, I don't really see a problem in this instance whatsoever. This guy Krages must get a royalty every time his name or white paper gets mentioned in an on-line thread. Sheesh.

Edited on Feb 11, 2008 at 01:49 PM



Feb 11, 2008 at 01:48 PM
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p.4 #2 · Had The Sheriff Called On Me


Mike Ganz wrote:
This is all very amusing. To briefly summarize, a little old lady sees what she thinks is 'suspicious' behavior and notifies the local authorities, as is her right. The local authorities appear and ask a few questions of the alleged offender. The local authorities then determine that there isn't any problem and allow the alleged offender to carry on with what he was doing, all without the need for the alleged offender to whip out a copy of the "Photographer's Bill of Rights" Seems like common sense prevailed, with a "no harm, no foul" outcome. To be honest,
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The use of the "Photographer's Bill of Rights" would be entirely situational and would not be the default answer to every problem. Why would you ever think the latter?

Sometimes, it seems like common sense does not prevail in threads.



Feb 11, 2008 at 08:42 PM
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p.4 #3 · Had The Sheriff Called On Me


Just wait until a terrioist gains access to a target by pretending he (she) is a photographer (high end camera and nice lens hanging around the neck). Then our avocation will become that much more difficult. Hope it doesn't happen here (of course it did back in Afganistan with the assasination of Massoud leading up to 911).

Dr. B.



Feb 11, 2008 at 11:37 PM
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p.4 #4 · Had The Sheriff Called On Me


ontime wrote:
The use of the "Photographer's Bill of Rights" would be entirely situational and would not be the default answer to every problem. Why would you ever think the latter?

Sometimes, it seems like common sense does not prevail in threads.


I didn't realize that I was thinking about it as a "default answer to every problem". I didn't infer that, but thanks anyway for pointing that out to me. Yep...you are correct about common sense not prevailing in threads.

I still stand by my previous post...the entire matter has been blown out of proportion. The OP was slightly inconvenienced for a matter of a few minutes...after a brief discussion, the matter was over and done and he was allowed to continue on. There really is no issue.

Edited on Feb 12, 2008 at 08:22 AM



Feb 12, 2008 at 08:07 AM
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p.4 #5 · Had The Sheriff Called On Me


Hi All,

Mike Ganz wrote:
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I still stand by my previous post...the entire matter has been blown out of proportion. The OP was slightly inconvenienced for a matter of a few minutes...after a brief discussion, the matter was over and done and he was allowed to continue on ...


Ok, it might have been "blown out of proportion" and yes, the OP was only slightly inconvenienced. But surely he still has the right to feel annoyed by the situation?

It may not be fashionable at the moment, and other people may consider it anti-social, but I still reserve the right to feel annoyed if things like this happen to me.

Regards
Nigel

Edited on Feb 12, 2008 at 10:43 AM



Feb 12, 2008 at 10:41 AM
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Mike Ganz wrote:
I didn't realize that I was thinking about it as a "default answer to every problem". I didn't infer that, but thanks anyway for pointing that out to me. Yep...you are correct about common sense not prevailing in threads.

I still stand by my previous post...the entire matter has been blown out of proportion. The OP was slightly inconvenienced for a matter of a few minutes...after a brief discussion, the matter was over and done and he was allowed to continue on. There really is no issue.


It's funny people infer things without even thinking about them.

Anyways, the thread went a certain direction because these are not isolated incidents. Perhaps it was "blown out of proportion" at some points, but just because the discussion expanded to a larger matter does not make that discussion irrelevant. We can't just roll our eyes and toss aside issues like a heap of trash because how people talk about those issues annoys us. Now, instead of elaborating on previous points and ideas we have to continue to moderate. That's a pretty simple dynamic, isn't it?

I respect your opinion, but I respected it less in your previous post because of the way you stated it. Shrug.

I think the "Photographer's Bill of Rights" document, which was created by an attorney, can at least educate on what is and is not allowed. That may be the first step here.




Feb 12, 2008 at 12:44 PM
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nanscombe wrote:
Hi All,

Ok, it might have been "blown out of proportion" and yes, the OP was only slightly inconvenienced. But surely he still has the right to feel annoyed by the situation?

It may not be fashionable at the moment, and other people may consider it anti-social, but I still reserve the right to feel annoyed if things like this happen to me.

Regards
Nigel


I don't think he should have been annoyed...well, maybe a little, but at the same time a bit more "understanding" of the situation?

Take another example (something similar to the OP's situation, but with different subject matter): You just receive a new lens, and you decide to take it to the neighborhood park to test it out. As far as you know, the park is public property and you have every right to be there, which is correct. You stop by the swingsets, etc,. and begin taking pictures of the kids playing on the swings. An observant parent sees you and notices that you don't appear to have any of your own children with you, but you're taking pictures of the children nonetheless. She doesn't realize that your intentions are purely innocent, gets a little worried, and decides to call the police on her cell phone to report that a man without any children in the area is taking pics of her kids with a really long lens. The police come by, ask you what you're doing, etc. The aggrieved parent then asks that you delete any pictures from the camera that may have her child in it. What do you do? After all, you're on public property and (supposedly) people out in public don't have a right to privacy. The choices:

a.) take out a copy of a photographer's bill of rights and state your case
b.) remind the police that you are on public property and the children are out in the open, keep the pics
c.) honor the mother's request, delete the pics, and move on

Myself? I'd choose Option C. Just for the fact that it wouldn't be worth it to push the issue. PITA? Yeah maybe, but in today's weird litigious climate we need to pick our battles very carefully (especially in an example like this when children are involved). Who needs a scene with an hysterical parent or two or three (and the police).

Not sure if this is a good example of the point that I'm trying to make, but I just wanted to show that even though you'd be on public property and well within your rights to probably choose Option B, the "inconvenience" factor can easily escalate depending on the situation. In the OP's, the old lady wasn't present for the discussion. In the example that I used, you're now in the middle of it with an irate parent or two that will definitely not see things your way. Nowadays, everyone's a suspect. Sad that its gotten that way.

Regards.


Edited on Feb 12, 2008 at 06:54 PM



Feb 12, 2008 at 06:52 PM
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p.4 #8 · Had The Sheriff Called On Me


IMO, if you were to carry your gear like this guy, people won't bother you as much.


Feb 13, 2008 at 01:56 AM
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p.4 #9 · Had The Sheriff Called On Me


Hi Mike,

Mike Ganz wrote:
... The choices:

a.) take out a copy of a photographer's bill of rights and state your case
b.) remind the police that you are on public property and the children are out in the open, keep the pics
c.) honor the mother's request, delete the pics, and move on

Myself? I'd choose Option C. Just for the fact that it wouldn't be worth it to push the issue. PITA?
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You've forgotten one ...

d.) Avoid being hassled by not getting your camera out anywhere near kids (or women).

This is the one I favour but for MY sake, NOT theirs as I would be annoyed if someone called a cop on me.

Regards
Nigel

Edited on Feb 13, 2008 at 03:33 AM



Feb 13, 2008 at 03:28 AM
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p.4 #10 · Had The Sheriff Called On Me


If I were silly enought to get myself in that situation, I'd go for b 1/2. Sure, I'll happily delete the pics, but I'd also point out the facts noted in option b--in a calm manner. However, in reality, I'd more likely use Nigel's option D and just not go there in the first place; there's lots of stuff to take pics of that shouldn't bother anyone.


Feb 13, 2008 at 11:44 AM
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p.4 #11 · Had The Sheriff Called On Me


People have to learn it's not the person with the camera out in the open taking pictures it is the one in the bushes.


Feb 13, 2008 at 12:44 PM
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p.4 #12 · Had The Sheriff Called On Me


Things can also be very different....

Last year I visited the tiny Himalaya kingdom of Bhutan.
One of the most photogenic events is the Tchechu, a Buddhist religious festival.
A Tchecu takes place in the inner court of a Dzong, a sort of fortress.
In the middle of the square, very colourful dances take place.

This one drew enormous crowds, with just a handful western visitors.
I was kinda late and had to stand at the back of the crowd with only limited view.
I used a 30D and 70-200 to make the most of it.
At some point I was approached by a police officer and thought i was being sent away, maybe due to religious feelings.
The officer took me by the arm and guided me through the crowd just to the front of the VIP lounge. He signed me to sit down at the edge of the square, with a complete free field of view.
He smiled and signed (not a word of english) this was a good spot for pictures.

It was, I shot many hundreds of frames, with ultimate freedom in composition due to the free field of view.
But then again, that's not the western world.



Feb 17, 2008 at 01:38 PM
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p.4 #13 · Had The Sheriff Called On Me


Yes, Fred. That's a great story. I was at a boxing event at my school and I had never shot boxing before so I decided to give it a go. My friend had a fight that night also. I was shooting from my seat when I was approached. I wasn't sure what was wanted of me, but then I was asked if I wanted to go ringside. I said "hell yes!" They put me right next to the pro they hired for the event. It was excellent. I then proceeded to produce some of the worse boxing shots ever


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