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p.1 #1 · Moonrise at Sunset (Bandon)


Moonrise at Sunset, Bandon Oregon.

As I was taking this image, some guy who did not have success selling his landscape images out of a gallery in Las Vegas, was trying to tell me why I could not be a successful professional landscape photographer owning my own gallery(s).

Tip: don't ask (or listen to) unsuccessful people for their advice on how or what can be accomplished in this world. If you want to know what can be done, go ask someone who has an awesome attitude and is inspiringly successful doing what you want to do. Our nspiration is your responsability.

Ken Duncan has been the latter for me. [url=http://KenDuncan.com]



Dec 22, 2007 at 03:58 AM
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p.1 #2 · Moonrise at Sunset (Bandon)


Moonrise at Sunset, Bandon Oregon.

As I was taking this image, some guy who did not have success selling his landscape images out of a gallery in Las Vegas, was trying to tell me why I could not be a successful professional landscape photographer owning my own gallery(s).

Tip: don't ask (or listen to) unsuccessful people for their advice on how or what can be accomplished in this world. If you want to know what can be done, go ask someone who has an awesome attitude and is inspiringly successful doing what you want to do. Our nspiration is your responsability.

Ken Duncan has been the latter for me. [url=http://KenDuncan.com]



Dec 22, 2007 at 03:58 AM
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p.1 #3 · Moonrise at Sunset (Bandon)


I am surprised this story has not been discussed here. The Department of Interior is finalizing plans to charge fees for photography in the US National Parks.

PDN story
http://www.pdnonline.com/pdn/newswire/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003684366


Syndicated story
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2007/E7-15845.htm

National Press Photogrphers Association story
http://www.nppa.org/news_and_events/news/2007/12/parks02.html

Proposed Rules
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2007/E7-15845.htm



Dec 22, 2007 at 02:43 PM
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p.1 #4 · Moonrise at Sunset (Bandon)


I am surprised this story has not been discussed here. The Department of Interior is finalizing plans to charge fees for photography in the US National Parks.

PDN story
http://www.pdnonline.com/pdn/newswire/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003684366


Syndicated story
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2007/E7-15845.htm

National Press Photogrphers Association story
http://www.nppa.org/news_and_events/news/2007/12/parks02.html

Proposed Rules
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2007/E7-15845.htm



Dec 22, 2007 at 02:43 PM
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According to the articles it appears fees will only be charged for "commercial" photography. I imagine that would exclude a lot of people on these boards, and I am sure the smart ones who do some "commercial" work could find a way around it as well.


Dec 22, 2007 at 02:55 PM
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This sounds like the same bill that everyone was griping about last year. Was that defeated/never moved on or is this a new bill entirely? In any case, sounds like a non-issue for 95% of folks here.

At the same time, its fascinating to see how many times the government can charge us again for what we already pay for. This quote sums it up nicely: "It’s just another way for the government to take what’s already ours and try to sell it back to us"



Dec 22, 2007 at 03:08 PM
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ajkessler wrote:
This sounds like the same bill that everyone was griping about last year. Was that defeated/never moved on or is this a new bill entirely? In any case, sounds like a non-issue for 95% of folks here.

At the same time, its fascinating to see how many times the government can charge us again for what we already pay for. This quote sums it up nicely: "It’s just another way for the government to take what’s already ours and try to sell it back to us"



I think the one last year was the City of New York.



Dec 22, 2007 at 05:16 PM
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jakita33 wrote:
According to the articles it appears fees will only be charged for "commercial" photography. I imagine that would exclude a lot of people on these boards, and I am sure the smart ones who do some "commercial" work could find a way around it as well.


I disagree. A large number of people here do commercial photography. Not sure how many do it in national parks though.



Dec 22, 2007 at 05:17 PM
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p.1 #9 · Moonrise at Sunset (Bandon)


How will they determine am I commercial photographer or just an amateur with nice camera?


Dec 22, 2007 at 05:29 PM
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Mihail wrote:
How will they determine am I commercial photographer or just an amateur with nice camera?


I've had to leave my 1Ds2 in the car to avoid a 50 US$ 'commercial photography fee' once (in Belize !). My 20D and - after negotiating - my 70-200 f/2.8 were allowed in ...

So they just looked at the camera : if it is big, you have to pay.

Cedric



Dec 22, 2007 at 05:55 PM
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cjac wrote:
I've had to leave my 1Ds2 in the car to avoid a 50 US$ 'commercial photography fee' once (in Belize !). My 20D and - after negotiating - my 70-200 f/2.8 were allowed in ...

So they just looked at the camera : if it is big, you have to pay.

Cedric


Hopefully the Park Service will do somthing better than looking at the size of your camera, but you never know. And after all, as we all know, size does matter.



Dec 22, 2007 at 07:16 PM
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ajkessler wrote:
This sounds like the same bill that everyone was griping about last year. Was that defeated/never moved on or is this a new bill entirely? In any case, sounds like a non-issue for 95% of folks here.

At the same time, its fascinating to see how many times the government can charge us again for what we already pay for. This quote sums it up nicely: "It’s just another way for the government to take what’s already ours and try to sell it back to us"


Nonsense. The public owns the parks, and charging reasonble fees for those who use our parks is entirely reasonable and just represents good stewardship. This is particularly true in the case of those who put public assets to commercial use.



Dec 22, 2007 at 09:59 PM
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I like Johnny's approach to this. We need rules to govern use of public lands and those who profit from commercial use should be willing to pay. On the other hand, our fine government seems to take many attempts to get anything really right. I wouldn't object to most of what I've read about this, providing that they make the rules sufficiently clear. When I go for a shoot, I don't mind filing forms and paying reasonable fees, but I draw the line at having to take a lawyer with me. It would certainly be nice if the rules were made uniform.

And Belize, beautiful though it is, is NOT administered by the U.S. Park Service.



Dec 22, 2007 at 10:19 PM
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p.1 #14 · Moonrise at Sunset (Bandon)


I think user fees are a good thing.


Dec 22, 2007 at 10:47 PM
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p.1 #15 · Moonrise at Sunset (Bandon)


In general mosts parks I've seen that charge for "commercial photo permits/use fees" are not based on a pro camera. It is based on use of props, models, assistants, access to non-public areas or anything that might somehow require other visitors to be detoured or require park personnel to oversee.

Here is a short report on the committee hearing where the Dept of the Interior was told to go clarify their proposed rules and come back to congress.

http://www.photoattorney.com/2007/12/report-on-hearing-for-proposed.html

Glad to see my membership dollars at work Write your congress critter and those on the committee- let them know you are watching.

Now I'm not saying there won't be rangers who overstep / misinterpret or go after everyone with a "big/pro" camera- whatever rules we wind up with- but I'm used to that everywhere else already.




Dec 23, 2007 at 12:07 AM
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Mihail wrote:
How will they determine am I commercial photographer or just an amateur with nice camera?


I've had to leave my 1Ds2 in the car to avoid a 50 US$ 'commercial photography fee' once (in Belize !). My 20D and - after negotiating - my 70-200 f/2.8 were allowed in ...

So they just looked at the camera : if it is big, you have to pay.

Cedric



Dec 22, 2007 at 05:55 PM
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How will they determine am I commercial photographer or just an amateur with nice camera?


Dec 22, 2007 at 05:29 PM
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jakita33 wrote:
According to the articles it appears fees will only be charged for "commercial" photography. I imagine that would exclude a lot of people on these boards, and I am sure the smart ones who do some "commercial" work could find a way around it as well.


I disagree. A large number of people here do commercial photography. Not sure how many do it in national parks though.



Dec 22, 2007 at 05:17 PM
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p.1 #19 · Moonrise at Sunset (Bandon)


This sounds like the same bill that everyone was griping about last year. Was that defeated/never moved on or is this a new bill entirely? In any case, sounds like a non-issue for 95% of folks here.

At the same time, its fascinating to see how many times the government can charge us again for what we already pay for. This quote sums it up nicely: "It’s just another way for the government to take what’s already ours and try to sell it back to us"



Dec 22, 2007 at 03:08 PM
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p.1 #20 · Moonrise at Sunset (Bandon)


ajkessler wrote:
This sounds like the same bill that everyone was griping about last year. Was that defeated/never moved on or is this a new bill entirely? In any case, sounds like a non-issue for 95% of folks here.

At the same time, its fascinating to see how many times the government can charge us again for what we already pay for. This quote sums it up nicely: "It’s just another way for the government to take what’s already ours and try to sell it back to us"



I think the one last year was the City of New York.



Dec 22, 2007 at 05:16 PM
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