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p.13 #1 · 40D is for july

Obviously Canon knows that it needs to differentiate the 40D from the XTi. It also knows that it needs to be a good enough camera to keep people interested in Canon's "serious amateur" segment. That being said, I would bet that any entry would have some fairly large improvements over the 30D.

Currently, the largest differences between 30D and XTi are:
Favoring the 30D: Metallic body, wheel, VF, fps, 1/4000s shutter
Favoring the XTi: 10 mp, sensor cleaner

I would bet there is a going to be a noticeable improvement in the AF, a bump to at least 10mp, sensor cleaner, larger buffer, and perhaps even a slight bump to fps. Then there are other possibilities such as GPS, micro-focus adjustment, wireless file transfer, 3" LCD.

Jul 22, 2007 at 11:40 PM

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p.13 #2 · 40D is for july

Pixel Perfect wrote:
As I mentioned in a couple of earlier posts, I really doubt Canon would go with 10Mp this time around. My prediction is that Canon will got 12mp with Digic III and keep 10Mp for the 400D/Xti.

Weather sealing would be great to see, But I have a feeling that Canon won't offer it to us in a non 1 series body.

Canon won't put a wireless flash trigger into the body (Especially a consumer grade body) since it would take away sales of the ST-E2. I think we could see a new ST-E3 sometime in the near future though.

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Jul 23, 2007 at 12:00 AM

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p.13 #3 · 40D is for july

python2000 wrote:
Obviously Canon knows that it needs to differentiate the 40D from the XTi. It also knows that it needs to be a good enough camera to keep people interested in Canon's "serious amateur" segment. That being said, I would bet that any entry would have some fairly large improvements over the 30D.

Currently, the largest differences between 30D and XTi are:
Favoring the 30D: Metallic body, wheel, VF, fps, 1/4000s shutter
Favoring the XTi: 10 mp, sensor cleaner

I would bet there is a going to be a noticeable improvement in the AF, a bump to at least 10mp, sensor cleaner, larger buffer, and...Show more →

Forget the 400D/XTi vs 40D for a moment. What matters much more is the 40D vs D200, D80, K10D and Alpha 100. And their successors, D300, D90, K20D and Alpha 200. (Please keep in mind that those designations are just guesses!) You have to remember that this isn't about one single iteration of a camera body, this is about people buying into a system.

If the 400D would be an absolute killer (but it isn't) and the 40D would be average then Canon will still get new photographers to join the EF ranks. You have to think long-term here.

Bringing the 40D into the 10 Mpixel ranks by itself isn't good enough. The sensor cleaning system is nice but not earth shattering. GPS sounds cool, but it wouldn't be a deal-breaker if it wasn't integrated. Micro-adjustment? Not likely, since that's a serious high-end tool for specialist application. Yes, sure, it's a very nice tool, but not suitable for the masses.

Putting a 4-channel derivative sensor from the 1D Mk III into the 40D, now that would be big. Clean ISO 3200, very usable ISO 6400, highlight protection mode, 14-bit and sRAW, all this in return for killing EF-s would set it appart from the 10 Mpixel competition and give it a really strong selling point. (This should not be a problem in the long run since Canon wants to move to full frame anyway, except for entry level.) While, at the same time, maintain the distinction between the xxD and 1D series, because it'd keep weathersealing and 45 point AF exclusive to the professional line-up.

But... this is just me a) repeating myself and b) dreaming. We'll have to wait and see what comes out.

Jul 23, 2007 at 01:48 AM

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p.13 #4 · 40D is for july

No matter what the new 40D (?) will be, Canon will never want it to compete with the 1D series. It will always be kinda backup camera (standing in the shadows) with far less features than their flagship model - simple corporate common sense. But let's face it - If and IF Canon can produce something along the parallel of the Nikon F100 to compliment the legendary Nikon F5 ... I say that is plenty good enough.

But in the end. it's all about the photographer. With a far less sophisticated camera system a great determined photographer will accomplish anything that a high end camera system can. Afterall, even rag-tag guerilla armies are often known to defeat powerful high-tech armies.

Jul 23, 2007 at 02:35 AM

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p.13 #5 · 40D is for july

Just a simple question that very probably will remain unanswered...

Does anybody believe that the new 4OD will incorporate the 50 ISO option?

Is there any way Canon can/will improve the viewfinder in the cropped sensor models?

Thanks for your comments.

Erik.

Jul 23, 2007 at 04:22 AM

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p.13 #6 · 40D is for july

what's the point of this question? all we can do is speculate.. I don't think anyone can have a descent answer..

Jul 23, 2007 at 04:53 AM

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p.13 #7 · 40D is for july

Is there any way Canon can/will improve the viewfinder in the cropped sensor models?

Of course there is, but they'll have to balance throwing more money at it with what the market is willing to pay. If the D30 to D60 to 10D to 20D to 30D evolution is any indication of the direction viewfinders are heading, I'd say VF improvement is extremely unlikely. I liked my 10D VF much more than the 20D. The 20D has a darker and more gritty textured VF than the 10D.

If the VF is too small, you might considered installing the Oly 1.25x eyepiece.

Jul 23, 2007 at 05:14 AM

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p.13 #8 · 40D is for july

As for the viewfinder, just look at the Nikon D80/D200 or Pentax models. These are croppers with much bigger viewfinders (higher magnification) than the current Canon xxD or xxxD models. It's possible and I certainly hope to see a bigger viewfinder in the 30D replacement.

Jul 23, 2007 at 05:16 AM

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p.13 #9 · 40D is for july

Venus wrote:
No matter what the new 40D (?) will be, Canon will never want it to compete with the 1D series. It will always be kinda backup camera (standing in the shadows) with far less features than their flagship model - simple corporate common sense. But let's face it - If and IF Canon can produce something along the parallel of the Nikon F100 to compliment the legendary Nikon F5 ... I say that is plenty good enough.

But in the end. it's all about the photographer. With a far less sophisticated camera system a great determined photographer will accomplish anything...Show more →

It's not all about the photographer. The analogy is a bad one. I agree of course that the 40D will be carefully positioned to avoid eating into sales of higher-end cameras.

Jul 23, 2007 at 07:35 AM

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p.13 #10 · 40D is for july

July is slipping away quickly...we've got 27 pages here...where's the 40D?

Rag tag armies defeat largeer ones due to betrayal by defeatist attitudes of the leaders...

Jul 23, 2007 at 08:51 AM

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p.13 #11 · 40D is for july

The kit lens is an IS version of the 18-55, and there will also be a 55-250 IS EF-S released at the same time. I mentioned this back in March, but I'll put it out there again to keep it fresh: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic2/515986

Jul 23, 2007 at 08:59 AM

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p.13 #12 · 40D is for july

Phil Bonner wrote:
July is slipping away quickly...we've got 27 pages here...where's the 40D?

I just went back to the original rumor again and it almost looks like the rumor starter was being sarcastic.

Anyway, anyone can start a rumor because they claim to have heard from some store manager who heard from a phone call from some guy who read a rumor thread on Fred Miranda's website.

I'll go ahead and start a "40D is for August" once August rolls around.

Jul 23, 2007 at 09:16 AM

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p.13 #13 · 40D is for july

Phil Bonner wrote:
July is slipping away quickly...we've got 27 pages here...where's the 40D?

Rag tag armies defeat largeer ones due to betrayal by defeatist attitudes of the leaders...
I'm holding out for Tuesdays or Thursdays! It seems the major cameras were announced either on a Tuesday or Thursday. The Mkiii, 400D, 30D, 20D and now the 40D! Maybe Tuesday or Thursday this week

Now I didn't say ALL the major camera releases for Canon, just the majority. I see the 1D Mkii N was on a Monday!!

Jul 23, 2007 at 09:49 AM

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p.13 #14 · 40D is for july

On some Japanese forum someone claimed a 18-200mm IS lens would be introduced this fall along side the 30D replacement.

I can see Canon introducing a entry level IS lens that could potentially silence those that would like to see IS in the body...

I would buy a Canon consumer grade 18-200mm IS lens... if the IQ was decent and the price was well under $500... but I think that's not likely to happen(the price). That zoom range would be a very attractive thing I believe.

I would not buy a consumer grade 18-55mm IS... unless it was more or less free... Because I already have a Tamron 17-50mm f2.8, and don't really feel IS is any great value to me at this focal range.

Dan Martin wrote:
The kit lens is an IS version of the 18-55, and there will also be a 55-250 IS EF-S released at the same time. I mentioned this back in March, but I'll put it out there again to keep it fresh: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic2/515986

Jul 23, 2007 at 10:47 AM

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Emile Gregoire wrote:
I've been reading about Canon being beaten around the bush by Nikon for ages, for every market segment, every time Nikon brought out a new camera. Makes me wonder how come Canon is still the #1 dSLR manufacturer... by a long shot.

Funny how that works out, isn't it? How quickly they forget how Canon flattened the competition (as if there really was any in some of these cases) with the 10D, then the 20D, the 5D, 1DsMkII, the 400D (yes, the 400D), and the 1DMkIIn. Oh, and did I forget to mention the M3, and how the competition ALL beat Canon to the punch on that one? Come on folks... people read a marginal upgrade like the 30D as the end of the line for Canon, and it's just plain crazy. Some of those cameras in the list above are relatively old these days, and STILL have no real competition for the dollar.

One of the things that Canon is excellent at is listening quietly and delivering at or beyond expectations.

Jul 23, 2007 at 10:59 AM

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tarpon6 wrote:
Yes he does. His screen name is tsiphoto at dpreview. He has been correct on the specs and timing of the last 3 body releases. He hasn't posted anything on the 40D since last PMA when he said "Sorry no 40D at PMA".

This is absolutely correct information above. I remember this clearly.

Jul 23, 2007 at 11:12 AM

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Hello everyone, this is my first post... but I've been reading this forum for some time now.

I really don't think Canon has much to worry from Nikon at this point. Just a few days ago I had to face this most basic decision... to buy into the Canon system or the Nikon system. While I wanted to wait for the 40D to come out, my needs were on a faster time table and I had to make a decision between the available bodies. I chose the 30D. Not because it was a better body than the Nikons (though in many ways it is), but because the over all system was better. Canon's lens system is more complete and allows me to grow as my skills and budget grow. Nikon's system is much more limiting. The only area that gave me pause was Nikon's flash system. I really wish Canon would take a page from Nikon's book, and develop a flash system to match what Nikon has put forth. In the end, I decided to go with the Canon lens system and choose what I think is currently the sweet spot among the bodies in the cost/benifit scale. Nikon's D80 and D200 and flash system were appealing, but in the end, Canon's lens system won out for my dollars. I guess my point is that while the 40D will no doubt be an improvement from the 30D and hopefully adopt what the D80/D200 do well... Canon's business model of focusing on system wide improvements, especially in their lens lineup, is what really matters if Canon wants to stay on top.

Interestingly enough, a friend of mine came to exactly the same conclusion and we both wound up ordering 30Ds late last week.

Edited by Yosho on Jul 24, 2007 at 04:14 AM GMT

Jul 23, 2007 at 04:06 PM

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Yosho wrote:
Hello everyone, this is my first post... but I've been reading this forum for some time now.

...I chose the 30D...

...a friend of mine came to exactly the same conclusion and we both wound up ordering 30Ds late last week...

Welcome to FM, and welcome to the Canon board. Good to have a few more that resisted the pull of the dark side.

Jul 23, 2007 at 04:12 PM

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Yosho wrote:
Hello everyone, this is my first post... but I've been reading this forum for some time now.

I really don't think Canon has much to worry from Nikon at this point. Just a few days ago I had to face this most basic decision... to buy into the Canon system or the Nikon system. While I wanted to wait for the 40D to come out, my needs were on a faster time table and I had to make a decision between the available bodies. I chose the 30D. Not because it was a better body than the Nikons (though in many...Show more →
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Jul 23, 2007 at 04:17 PM

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p.13 #20 · 40D is for july

Many of you are demanding big techological steps when it comes to 40D. But most of you are forgeting that technology has "matured" so far, that one can't expect huge steps when it comes to consumer cameras. What more then 10 mpix, DIGIC III, dust reduction and slight improvements to VF and LCD can we expect? As it has been said, Canon won't compete with series 1 cameras. So just forget about more x type, more AF point AF system, weather sealing, higher fps, sw focus adjustments etc.

The reality is, we are going to get another 30D style upgrade. And that's it. I'm going for a 30D in a month or so, when prices will drop even more (to 700 Euro or so - that's cca $950). So I'll get 90% 40D's capabilities for 50% the price. I certanly won't miss 10 mpix, while anti dust would be nice and I doubt DIGIC III will bring cleaner high ISO images (because of the resolution increase).

EDIT: What Canon should really do (and can do easily) is to incorporate a D200 style VF. Slightly improved body wouldn't hurt either, everything else has already been said in numerous posts.

Jul 23, 2007 at 04:52 PM

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