I never trust rebate, so when I purchase 5D , 50mm/F1.4 and 24-105/F4.0 the last Nov., I didn't account rebate inside, I still not send them too...... (maybe try next week), but I don't care the money back or no, just enjoy my camera.
slin100 wrote:
What is the point of bringing this up other than to suggest that you will be unconvinced that there is a widespread problem of improperly rejected rebate submissions until you personally see the numbers?
It's not that I personally need to see anything. The point is that nobody crying "fraud" on this thread has any idea how many rebate submissions go through without issue compared to those that are rejected. Knowing the actual ratio of submitted to rejected would put this in context.
Furthermore, thus far I can't recall anybody saying they didn't get Canon rebates they were entitled to. In fact all I've seen here are reports of people getting really angry because they were told they would be getting partial rebates, after which they contacted somebody (either the rebate fulfillment house or Canon) and then later actually received the correct rebate.
If this is fraud, where's the list of FMers that were denied rebates? Meaning, they actually failed to collect their multi-hundred dollar checks? Take your pick: either there isn't really fraud going on, or the fraudsters are totally inept -- unable to steal money when they already have it in their possession.
In the absence of a smoking gun, there is certainly circumstantial evidence to contemplate.
Even circumstantial evidence must be taken within a given context, to put it in perspective. We see dozens of reports from people here who say they had to call somebody at the rebate fulfillment house, or resubmit information, before they got their checks. But (and this relates to my question above) -- how many people have submitted rebate claims and had them paid without incident? I would agree that there is a serious problem if every person who submitted a claim was automatically rejected. But what if it's one in ten? What if it's one in twenty? We have no context here... all we have are complaints in a bubble.
While it is certainly plausible that the claims processors were instructed with the wrong UPC number to match submissions against, one would not expect this problem to continue over an extended period of time.
But that is not the only plausible reason why claims might be rejected. Several were listed earlier in this thread or on other threads. I won't rehash them here.
That there appear to be rejections of recent submissions has to, at least, make one consider fraud as a possibility.
I never said it wasn't a possibility, though I do find it unlikely given the above.
maniaxe2000 wrote:
This whole "Nothing to see here" additude is pushing smacks of "Wikiality" not to mention common sense.
It's clear you don't understand the concept of "Wikiality," which is "truth by consensus rather than fact." The consensus around here seems to be that Canon and/or their rebate contractor is attempting to steal money from people, though there don't seem to be many facts supporting the assertion.
Yes many people are stating the fact they are having problems with the canon rebates. The FACT is that many people are getting an invalid UPC submittion. There is no better FACT than the reality of the situation.
maniaxe2000 wrote:
Moondigger, there is no such word as "Wikiality."
Of course there is. You just don't like it, because it accurately describes what's going on here, along with "truthiness" and "disconfirmation bias."
Yes many people are stating the fact they are having problems with the canon rebates. The FACT is that many people are getting an invalid UPC submittion. There is no better FACT than the reality of the situation.
"Many" as you use it above has no context, because we don't know how many people have submitted rebates without problems.
And the FACT is that I haven't seen a single report of somebody being denied the correct rebate amount after calling or writing. So how is it that fraud is happening if some people get their rebates without any problems at all, and others get their rebates after making a phone call or resubmitting information?
One more comment on this, and then I'm going to bed.
maniaxe2000 wrote:
Yes many people are stating the fact they are having problems with the canon rebates. The FACT is that many people are getting an invalid UPC submittion. There is no better FACT than the reality of the situation.
I never said people weren't having problems. Not once. I said that people having problems with their submissions does not mean fraud is happening. To be clear:
Some people having problems with their submissions: fact, supported by reports here.
All people having problems with their submissions: false, supported by reports here.
Canon's rebate contractor is stealing money through deliberate fraud on the double rebates: unsupported and unlikely.
Moondigger you seem to be missing the entire point of this thread. There are many people here having a problem with their Canon submission including myself. The point of this thread is not to accuse the rebate company of fraud, which I have never stated.
You state that you have not seen anyone not get their money so there is no problem. This is absolutely ridiculous. The problem is that many people including myself are being told that we have an invalid UPC submittion when we have clearly sent everything needed to get our rebates. Then we have to waste our time to call the rebate center hoping that we'll get someone on the other line who is compident to resolve our issue. The issue usually gets resolved with little or no evidence, just a simple wait. I'm saying that there is no reason for this.. This scenerio is so convienient for the rebate company. Some people won't waste their time calling and the money lost to the rebate company. There is something wrong with this rebate company. Canon and the rebate company has to fix this.
