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Ariel Bravy
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fraga wrote:
Do you play soccer with your camera bodies?
J/K.


haha, not quite. I had a thread about this a few months ago but can't find it now...

The first 20D death was due to paintball goop leaking in. I had plastic bags around the camera and lens but the impact of being shot in the camera/lens several times ruptured the bag and the paint seeped in.

http://www.arielbravy.com/photoblog/images/20051211205418_paintball%20shots.jpg

Another one was from beach sand getting trapped in the shutter release button and keeping it locked halfway down so I couldn't use the LCD, get it to quit AF'ing, etc.

http://www.arielbravy.com/photoblog/images/20060118033046_beach%20at%20night.jpg

There was a muddy tug of war I shot where again the mud leaked through my plastic bag housing. (I can't say I recommend this method of protection.)

http://www.arielbravy.com/photoblog/images/20060404033403_coaching%20tug.jpg

http://www.arielbravy.com/photoblog/images/20060402160629_tug.jpg

Ah, there was one from when I was shooting a fraternity group shot for my college's yearbook. I had backed up to the top of the staircase to fit everyone in. The setup was on a cheapy $70 tripod and during the shot, the whole shebang fell backwards down the concrete stairs. Actually, the camera didn't die in this case, but the flash on top was obliterated. The camera and grip were pretty scratched up however. The flash was sent back to Canon who repaired it back the functional state, but it remained as scratched up as before. I didn't get a replacement shell for it.

http://www.arielbravy.com/photoblog/images/20060209001845_phi%20kappa%20tau%20group%20shot.jpg

The last one was from snorkeling in the Bahamas. Here's one of the shots I was going for and one of the last ones I took. You can see the water leaking into the Ewamarine bag I was using. The 17-40L and 580ex that was in the bag drowned as well.

http://www.arielbravy.com/photoblog/images/20060622212227_inverted%20thumbs%20up.jpg

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/5123/img7339zr3.jpg


I don't have any of the 1D2 shots available right now though. Anyways, it's not like I'm intentionally trying to kill my camera by any means, but I do like some "extreme" pictures at times.

The 1D2 I bought used from a friend who shoots a lot of pro level sports, NFL, MLB, etc, and I know he's put it through its fair share of weather so I don't really know what to say.

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Sep 14, 2006 at 07:34 AM
Kamil Kisiel
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p.2 #2 · 1-series weather sealing limitations


Ariel,

You do realize you just eliminated any chance that anyone will buy anything from you on the B&S right?



Sep 14, 2006 at 07:44 AM
Ariel Bravy
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What? You don't want a life-size camera keychain or paperweight?


Sep 14, 2006 at 08:01 AM
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You know it sounds as if the camera sould have had some damage before you bought it. If it was massively corroded I don't know that that would have occured just from one wet episode. But it does sound as if you are a bit hard on your gear, and along with camera gear don't try selling any of us your used cars


Sep 14, 2006 at 09:45 AM
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Sorry to hear about your misfortune.

This however is why I put a cover over my gear when shooting in the rain for extended periods. 1D mkII and 400 2.8 IS are worth about $10,000, extra protection and peice of mind from a $250 aquatech cover, priceless.

1 series are pretty tough, no doubt about it, and they probably will be fine in the rain, but the keyword is "probably". Theres no guarantee about it. However when you've got a well sealed body, and then the added protection of a quality water cover, like a Kata, Aquatech etc, then your pretty much 100% assured that your equipment is going to be fine. Nothing to worry about in the least that way. At the very least, the piece of mind a simple trashbag can provide is priceless.






Sep 14, 2006 at 10:40 AM
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you can ask your friend whether the camera has been service or not, it could be possibly they put the seal unproperly when they service it.


Sep 14, 2006 at 11:40 AM
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haha, not quite. I had a thread about this a few months ago but can't find it now...

The first 20D death was due to paintball goop leaking in. I had plastic bags around the camera and lens but the impact of being shot in the camera several times ruptured the bag and the paint seeped in.
http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gtg536g/fm/20dcasualties/paintball.jpg

Another one was from beach sand getting trapped in the shutter release button and keeping it locked halfway down so I couldn't use the LCD, get it to quit AF'ing, etc.
http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gtg536g/fm/20dcasualties/beach.jpg

There was a muddy tug of war I shot where again the mud leaked through
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Ok, now I understand!

Thank you for taking the time you took in searching for the pics and making the post.

Great pics, btw!



Sep 17, 2006 at 06:54 AM
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SKPhoton wrote:
haha, not quite. I had a thread about this a few months ago but can't find it now...

The first 20D death


Impressive how tough you are with your cameras. Canon should hire you as a tester for the durability of their cameras... (or alternatively we should all ask you to try different kinds of cameras and tell us how long they survive).



Sep 17, 2006 at 07:19 AM
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SKPhoton wrote:
Well, I have insurance but I don't want to claim it since I've had a claim recently for the 20D (I put the money towards the 1D2). I talked to them about it and there's a good chance that they'll deny my claim and cancel my policy, which is understandable on their end. I guess I've had a string of bad luck recently with camera bodies.



If this is the case, I suggest you cancel the insurance. If you can't make a claim on what is probably one of your most expensive piees of equipment, what is the sense of having it. Cancel, save the premiums, be carefuel for a while, and start the insurance again later.





Sep 17, 2006 at 09:13 AM
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Forget the camera, I am shocked anyone would try to grab the tail of a stingray after what's happened to Steve Irwin??!!?? Sorry to go off topic!!!


Sep 17, 2006 at 02:04 PM
Ariel Bravy
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SmellyTofu wrote:
Forget the camera, I am shocked anyone would try to grab the tail of a stingray after what's happened to Steve Irwin??!!?? Sorry to go off topic!!!


Yeah, that crossed my mind too, but that shot was taken back in June. Luckily, my brother didn't get speared.



Sep 17, 2006 at 03:48 PM
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photon, i have a very good condition 1D that i would be willing to sell you once i get it back from canon(error, unknown as of now)


Sep 17, 2006 at 07:36 PM
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Got my MIIn + 100-400 (5month old) just back from Canon Service here in Thailand. I had it in a really heavy tropic rain on a tripod over my shoulder, running for a shelter for about 10 min. The result: water in lens and cam. No function any more. After 24h still water in the lower display on the backside and the top display but could release the shutter showing ERROR 99.
They replaced the shutter and 2 boards because of corrosion in the cam and the IS in the lens, see picture below. If it would not be a warranty case they would charge me USD1.500 for the cam and USD150 for the lens. As they accept it at a partly warranty case they charged me USD380 for the cam and USD115 for the lens.
Kind regards / Beste Gruesse
Khun Hans
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Sep 18, 2006 at 10:56 PM
Ariel Bravy
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Yikes. Sorry to hear about your similar story. Good luck w/ the repairs!


Sep 18, 2006 at 11:04 PM
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ouch, i was in a downpour with my 1d2 and i had her pointing down, thanks a million areil, i'll keep her looking straight from now on, of interest here , i was shooting on the beach with a d60&28-70L and was hit by a freak wave that totally submerged the camera for a round 2 sec, instanly i took the battery out and let it dry for 3 days and it worked perfectly, just water behind the viewfinder eyepiece glass


Sep 19, 2006 at 12:36 AM
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if you want me give the paperweight for free i don't mind hahaha

-matt



Sep 19, 2006 at 01:32 AM
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I have made pretty good experiences with my 20D till now. I shot in rain and snow and did't have any problems yet, the weather also cleaned the camera quite nicely A week ago i was shooting in the mountains and i hadn't screwed my 20D tight enough to the tripod head, i heaved the tripod and cam on my shoulder and startet walking when the tripod suddenly lightened and my 20D whent crashing to the ground. I was shocked , but my Kirk L-plate took most of the damage and the 20D and Zeiss 28mm lens are fine... Now i always double check if the camera is mounted properly...

Greets Mike



Sep 19, 2006 at 01:34 AM
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Andrew J wrote:
I don't buy what Canon said. I would go higher up. At least one letter to Canon Corporate. I would possibly follow that one with one written by a lawyer with their letter head.


What legal grounds? Canon makes no specific claims about the efficacy of their "weather sealing."

For those of you with Sekonic meters, if you check the manuals you will see that Sekonic specifies the rating of their weathersealinig according to JIS standards--they tell you exactly what you should expect. Notice that Canon does not go there--they never specify anything with regard to this feature.

So what would be the legal grounds for a complaint?

Here is a listing of the JIS weatherproofing standards: http://www.opticsplanet.net/water-proof.html



Sep 19, 2006 at 07:45 AM
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I never claimed anything for any ' weather sealing or water proof' especially not for the 100 -400. I just wanted to express my thanks to Canon Thailand for their faire prices. That's because Ariel told us that Canon in the US wants to charge 4000to5000 USD for a similar 'accident'.
Hans



Sep 19, 2006 at 08:10 AM
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Khun Hans wrote:
I never claimed anything for any ' weather sealing or water proof' especially not for the 100 -400. I just wanted to express my thanks to Canon Thailand for their faire prices. That's because Ariel told us that Canon in the US wants to charge 4000to5000 USD for a similar 'accident'.
Hans


Canon Thailand in Bangkok has very good service. And they will give you 30% discount on their already cheap prices if you have the Canon CPS card. And they clean your camera & sensor for free also.



Sep 19, 2006 at 09:11 AM
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