Now, NOT 100% crop of each. I take a region and then figure that 100% crop on Contax is 888 pixels. Then I re Leica to be the same 888 pixels as Contax.
I will try later. These files are both color adjusted (very little) to bring the color map closer, still P25 is more natural
Then LIGHT sharpened with focalblade (I like since halo can separately be contolled) same amout both
There was no sharpening from C1 Both C1 processed and WB BTW>
Victor
PS will show some "best of breed' later. I did the 120mm maco on Contax and the new 50 1.4 at 5.6 both That is basically same FOV. So manybe that is better--what package can do.
Guy Be not mad--I keep DMR . More likely Isell P25 if the tel issue frustrates me. (Best I can do is 500mm hasey with Mutar 2x so is about 600-700mm equivatlent)
and then it is f16 (Boooooo)
No diff except for the battery and the H2 can power a Hasselcon back. The H1 can even be upgraded to the H2, but if you use a third party back, it's a waste, and that's straight from Hasselblad's mouth.
What kind of back are you planning to use? A slidingf stitching back? I am considering a back from Kapture Group with Hassy H adaptor. I also ordered Arca a couple weeks ago and am anxiously waiting for its delivery, 6 - 8 weeks.
Also, what do you mean by paying 'a grand+ extra for a copal 0 shutter?' I ordered Schneider Apo Digitar 47mm XL with Copal 0 from Badger for just over $1,200.
Sorry, missed this. I ordered a rotaslide back to use with my aptus. I got the grand info from my dealer in Atlanta. I'll speak with Badger again, maybe I wasn't clear in what I was asking them, but if that's the case, I'll get the XL in a second.
Edit: Just spoke with Jeff at Badger, you're right, my dealer in Atl had an old price sheet. 1950 for the Schneider 35XL in Copal0 shutter, placing my order now.
Original in focus. It is not the focus or the sensor. It is the mode of comaprison.
What you are seeing is the rez up of the leica file. Otherwise not comparable.
What issue is, is this. For a give image size, here I l ook the 888 pixels of the Contax at 100%. To make the DMR image same size I needed to rez up from about 600 pixels.
I know it sounds funny but actually that is the real issue. If people keep taking 100% crop of everything then there will be little difference. Both are Kodak sensors. Both have 16 bits, both process C1 Even lens is same.
If you are going to medium format why you do it? So you have less need to rez up! Classic reason people go more Mp and big file sizesand more pixels then we need to show the value of extra pixels.
Maybe I am wrong, but that is what was done here.
Now, I go back and rez DOWN the Contax to theLeica. Again same stuff - icorrect(still cant get color match likely lots of resons, but who knows maybe different sensitivity. Also different angle on sensor since 180 is wider on Contax etc etc) Also light sharpen only in focalblade, same amount both images. No contrast enhancement!
So, I am curious myself!
Here is the leica again but now Leica is 100% crop.
Now, if someone can just explain why the color is wrong. The color in th P25 is spot on. Maybe the coating on the hasselblad? No, I do not think that is it.
How do others set color space? I go from default R9 to Prophoto, then to sRGB.
Maybe DMR doesnt like that ALL the images are like that I have Leica 90 apo and 50 as well as the leica 180 2.8 They are all too red
Something is wrong because in C1 the P25 look right, right from file on P25 while all DMR are too red (Negra magnolia color is exactly as P25 shows. I brought bloom in to check!
DMR Raw in C1 looks same as sRGB on web screen. It is too red right out of the WB of C1 (even using same grey as P25 WB)
C1 output is Prophoto. I then do all work that space. At end I change image size to 800-1000, 16>8 bit, the Prophoto to sRGB, then save jpg.
That works for all else. Maybe magnolia is a color just outside DMR native brange or too warm. Even playing with color tint and color temperture xchange everything but blooms!
I have a few 50mm and 90mm thatb look better. Maybe tomorrow I do a 120mm on contaxd and 50mm (and 90) on DMR as Robert suggest. Maybe best lens work better.
Just to make sure, you are going from ProPhoto 16-bit to SRGB 16-bit in Photoshop convert to profile to SRGB 8-bit. When you convert to profile are you using perceptual or relative colormetric?
I convert to 8 bit in prophoto,since i am not sure what srgb would do with 16 bit Isnt it always 8bit?
anyway, 16>8 then PP>sRGB
However, as I said it is the SAME red color on my screen right in C1 RAW!
It doesnt change on conversion, comes right into C1 with this loss of the blue (color is almost exactly what P25 shows, and that color stay same thru the conversions.
There is something about the sensor or the default calibration; makes violet into red. Could it be the color in the DMR? I thought that was only for direct jpg. If raw comes to C1 then RAW is RAW no??
Bit confusing to me. Like Kodachrome vs ektachrome maybe? Are the dyes used for the sensors different?
Here is THIRD way to view 35mm vs MF difference (first was to rez up from 35mm to 100% crop of MF which fuzzies up 35mm to get same image size, second was to rezDOWN the MF to 100% 35mm crop which may not use all MF detail, but still shows 3D look of MF at times) and here
this 3rd way is to show 100% from BOTH, but show the same image area! In this case I used 100mm Makro Zeiss on Contax at 5.6 and I use new 50mm summilux at 4. Consider these maybe best play.
Due to wind and perspective difference (remember when image is the same, the MF is wider perspective that is, lense closer to subject)
Color differences stiil there
However this is what people crave -- the detail of MF which show pretty ovious.
So you say move in with 35mm to get same number of pixels in the desired scene? OK then image is smaller!.Can not create something from nothing.
here is Contax. NO sharpening here because i used some contract ON THE CONTAX not Leica to get image from shadows (ok,ok not great test. Leica was bright sun and contax in deep shadow due to strong cloud. If anything should penalize contax.)
Maybe tomorrow a better chance.
But this again shows what you get - detail detail detail.
There was an interview with Tech Managers of Phase One by Mike Reichmann in LLVH# 13 and 14, and in it the VP of Production indicated that each P25 image chip is tested for defects and abnormal responses in individual photo site and the corrections are mapped into a file that also includes the detailed profiles of the image sensor. He said that the data for each P25 from various tests is almost 2 G bytes and then it is compressed into 1 M bytes file and it is included as a part of RAW file to be processed in C1 software.
Therefore, even if Leica and P25 share same chips from Kodak, the end results in the image qualifty will be different. I don''t know if Leica does similar individual calibration and mapping of its image chip. The manufacturer who has the best 'proprietary know how' of combining the hardware and software will end up with the best image quality even if each may uses similar (commodity like) image chips in their cameas.
This phenomenon is not any different from the other processes: all lens makers use same blank glass stock and similar computer based design programs but as we all know some creates the great pieces while the others produce lenses.
I believe, a bias opinion of P45 owner, that at this time Phase One is at the top of the heap in Digital Image Processing.
oops not right. Leica was 2.8. Here is f4 and I did NOT do any contrast. preserves some detail in the Leica.
Hey, guys I am really trying. I love the Leica, but MF buyers are not dumb!
