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Greg Matty
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p.1 #1 · Sigma 18-50 vs Nikon 18-200 photo fixed


Well, I am not too impressed with the new Nikon. I just took a couple quick pics of a shoebox with flash at f5.6 and 1/60 second. Not scientific for sure, but it still doesn't look good for the Nikon.

First the Sigma
http://www.rk-productions.net/Assets/Photos/shoeboxsigma.jpg


Now the 18-200VR
http://www.rk-productions.net/Assets/Photos/shoeboxnikon.jpg

I certainly won't get rid of the Sigma, but do I keep the Nikon?? Maybe I'll exchange it for a new one?

Greg

Edited by Greg Matty on Jan 14, 2006 at 05:34 AM GMT



Jan 10, 2006 at 10:23 PM
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p.1 #2 · Sigma 18-50 vs Nikon 18-200 photo fixed


If you ask me, Nikon is having some huge QC issues with this lens. I've seen copies which are shaper then mine and some far worse. Is that center frame? Mine doesn't experience as bad CA but it is also softer then most lenses I'm used to.

I still can't decide if the versitility overcomes the general softness of the lens and the CA issues. It's a tossup right now. The thing that bothers me about the CA is at no apature does it disappear.

Tim





Jan 10, 2006 at 10:39 PM
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p.1 #3 · Sigma 18-50 vs Nikon 18-200 photo fixed


The Nikon one doesn't look good. Now I question if I should buy this lens or any 18-200 lenses at all.


Jan 10, 2006 at 10:44 PM
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p.1 #4 · Sigma 18-50 vs Nikon 18-200 photo fixed


What are we all expecting from this 10x zoom Just because it's not as sharp as the Sigma (which is known to be excellent), doesn't mean it doesn't have it's uses...

Think about the possibilities - being able to travel light and still have that kind of focal range!

Gerald



Jan 10, 2006 at 10:51 PM
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p.1 #5 · Sigma 18-50 vs Nikon 18-200 photo fixed


Yup, what Gerald said.

Now do a test. Take a picture of a bird 60 feet away with the two lenses.



Jan 10, 2006 at 10:55 PM
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p.1 #6 · Sigma 18-50 vs Nikon 18-200 photo fixed


How does the lens perform when you process in NC? with CA correction enabled? I'm assuming these were not processed in NC I guess. Still, I don't see how it could compare to the Sigma, kind of an apples and oranges thing.


Jan 10, 2006 at 11:09 PM
Greg Matty
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p.1 #7 · Sigma 18-50 vs Nikon 18-200 photo fixed


I guess maybe I am expecting too much. But don't we all want a 10-1000 f2.0 lens that is tack sharp and weighs less than a pound?

So why am I comparing these two lenses? Because I want to have just one lens in the 18-70 range. I need either an f2.8 lens or one with VR. The Sigma doesn't go all the way to 70mm (my only other lens is the 70-200VR) and I was hoping this 18-200 would be the one lens I need to fill that gap and then some. Ken Rockwell raved about this lens and how sharp it is. A fellow D20 to D2X mover I know at dpreview used to have the Sigma 18-50 and moved to the 18-200VR. He said his 18-200 was just as sharp as his Sigma. Anyway, those types of comments are what got me so excited about this lens. My expectations were probably just too high.

The CA is somewhat bothersome but even my 70-200VR exhibits CA with black text against a white background. I can remove that easier than I can add sharpness.

I'll do some real outdoor testing AS SOON AS THE SUN COMES OUT!!!!!!

I live in Seattle, Washington and it has rained for like 21 days straight. I think the weather will clear this weekend and I'll better be able to judge what this lens is capable of.

Tim, these crops are center frame.

And for Jack, these were shot as jpeg's to facilitate the test.

Greg



Jan 11, 2006 at 12:21 AM
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p.1 #8 · Sigma 18-50 vs Nikon 18-200 photo fixed


That 10-1000 2.0 sounds nice but... is it sharp at F/2?



Tim



Jan 11, 2006 at 02:50 AM
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p.1 #9 · Sigma 18-50 vs Nikon 18-200 photo fixed


Greg Matty wrote:
I guess maybe I am expecting too much. But don't we all want a 10-1000 f2.0 lens that is tack sharp and weighs less than a pound?

So why am I comparing these two lenses? Because I want to have just one lens in the 18-70 range. I need either an f2.8 lens or one with VR. The Sigma doesn't go all the way to 70mm (my only other lens is the 70-200VR) and I was hoping this 18-200 would be the one lens I need to fill that gap and then some. Ken Rockwell raved about this lens
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Oh, I never said that comparing the lenses was a bad idea
On the contrary, it is a good idea to have an idea of what the advantages and limitations of each piece of our kits are! I for one appreciate the posting of your comparison shots!

Gerald



Jan 11, 2006 at 07:06 AM
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p.1 #10 · Sigma 18-50 vs Nikon 18-200 photo fixed


"So why am I comparing these two lenses? Because I want to have just one lens in the 18-70 range"

So why don't you buy the Nikon 18-70. It's been raved about how sharp it is for a kit lens. I imagine it's much better than the 18-200.



Jan 11, 2006 at 09:44 AM
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p.1 #11 · Sigma 18-50 vs Nikon 18-200 photo fixed


This hasn't been my experience with 18-200. There seems to be a lot more grain in the Nikon picture. I wonder whether there is a problem with the lens.

Do you care to share what settings did you take these two pictures in?



Jan 11, 2006 at 10:03 AM
Greg Matty
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p.1 #12 · Sigma 18-50 vs Nikon 18-200 photo fixed


Kevin D wrote:
"So why am I comparing these two lenses? Because I want to have just one lens in the 18-70 range"

So why don't you buy the Nikon 18-70. It's been raved about how sharp it is for a kit lens. I imagine it's much better than the 18-200.


I didn't think the 18-70 was an f2.8 lens or had VR? I'll check that out. Funny I missed that.

Greg



Jan 11, 2006 at 10:08 AM
Greg Matty
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p.1 #13 · Sigma 18-50 vs Nikon 18-200 photo fixed


ksrhee24 wrote:
This hasn't been my experience with 18-200. There seems to be a lot more grain in the Nikon picture. I wonder whether there is a problem with the lens.

Do you care to share what settings did you take these two pictures in?


Both were taken at f-5.6 at 1/60 second. The Nikon was at 56mm and the Sigma at 50. I am sure the Nikon's max aperture was around f-4.0 at that focal length so f 5.6 was a full stop down. Maybe I'll try again tonight at f-8 for the Nikon. Perhaps the grain was due to the slight persepective difference causing the flash light to illuminate the grain in the cardboard box differently?

Greg



Jan 11, 2006 at 10:13 AM
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p.1 #14 · Sigma 18-50 vs Nikon 18-200 photo fixed


My experience with the 18-200vr has been good. In fact, so far with my copy, the only differences in pictures between my 17-55dx and the 18-200vr has been with barrell and pincushin distortion and with CA. The 18-200vr doesn't handle CA quite as well as the 17-55dx did, but is easily fixed in NC 4.4. It also has slightly more distortion primarily around 18mm and when shooting straight vertical lines like fences or railings or whatnot.

My copy for the types of things I shoot, as long as I don't flub up the shot, has been pretty good. Good enough in fact that I've sold my 17-55dx to a fellow FM'er.

Now, that said, would I like to have kept my 17-55dx and had VR? Well, heck yeah.

Would I like to have had say a 18-125 f4 vr lens? Heck yeah.

But, for my needs which are mainly walk around shooting these days, the 18-200vr is fitting the bill.

Would I every expect to take the lens to a dark event indoors and shoot like you could with an f2.8 zoom? No.

I think we are going to see sample variation just like with every lens, but maybe even a little more with this due to the design elements and what not. Is there a sharper copy out there than mine........ probably, but that's okay.

If I want ultimate sharpness in a shot, I will use my 50 f1.4, or another prime.

If I ever get back into covering lots of events, I'll be looking for an f2.8 zoom. But, you have to accept and live with the 18-200vr for what it is. An all arounder for day to day or travel purposes.

It's replacing a heck of a range in my bag, and with the D200, 18-200vr, and a 50 f1.4 in a tamrac velocity 7, I'm finding that I'm carying the camera every day now. I never did that with the 17-55, as it was always too short of the need at the time, and/or it was too heavy, and when I put the 70-200 with it, now we are talking about trekking a back pack all day long.

However, I'd like to see your above test with 3 or 4 shots of each. At different distances, and what not. I found that my 17-55dx could focus closer than the 18-200vr, even though the 18-200vr was a "macro" designated lens. The 17-55dx can get really close, and the 18-50 sigma may be the same way. you might have been outside/inside the focus capabilities of the 18-200vr. I'd give it a day of good testing, and then if it still doesn't seem sharp, swap it for another copy.

Just my 2 cents.



Jan 11, 2006 at 10:20 AM
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p.1 #15 · Sigma 18-50 vs Nikon 18-200 photo fixed


Greg, if you could do another sample that would be great. I'm most curious to see as many samples from that 18-200 as I can. I read every post about them here on FM that I can find.

I'd be happy to just see overcast shots from both lenses, I'm easy to please

Lisa



Jan 11, 2006 at 10:36 AM
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p.1 #16 · Sigma 18-50 vs Nikon 18-200 photo fixed


Well, Lisa, I can't do a comparative sample as I sold the 17-55dx, but I can post some 18-200vr shots when I have some more. I was home sick yesterday, and am at work today, but tomorrow am driving out of town for a work related trip and will probably get a few chances to use the camera. hehehe

I'll be going to some areas that should have some good photo opportunities and I plan to take only the D200, 18-200vr and 50 f1.4 in the bag, so it will force me to think and rely only on those lenses. This is going to be my carry around bag and i have to start thinking to use the lenses to their best to get the shot. I won't have the 17-55 anymore obviously and I won't be carrying the 70-200vr anymore unless I'm planning to shoot with that lens specifically.

The next month or two will be a very good learning experience for me to make do with the lenses at hand. I'm still pondering a 35 f2 or 30 f1.4 to put in the bag also and to use as a really small outing setup with teh d200 and single prime.




Jan 11, 2006 at 11:07 AM
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p.1 #17 · Sigma 18-50 vs Nikon 18-200 photo fixed


You post 'em and I'll certainly be eager to look at them!
Thanks txbonds!

Lisa



Jan 11, 2006 at 11:12 AM
Greg Matty
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p.1 #18 · Sigma 18-50 vs Nikon 18-200 photo fixed


I'll do some more this weekend or maybe on lunch break at work.

Greg



Jan 11, 2006 at 02:16 PM
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p.1 #19 · Sigma 18-50 vs Nikon 18-200 photo fixed


That'd be great! Nothing scientific needed. Just curious about it since I have one on pre-order.

Thanks again,
Lisa



Jan 11, 2006 at 02:22 PM
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p.1 #20 · Sigma 18-50 vs Nikon 18-200 photo fixed


I would redo the test, because I am concerned about the following:
- minimal focus distance of both lenses
- the lengths of the lenses being different, was the working distance comparable (this looks like a closeup)
- flash usage: since distance must have been different, you get reflections from the flash in different ways, influencing picture quality
- I would position a wireless flash at the same place wrt the object in both shots.
- CA is very clear with but could have been "enhanced" because of higher reflection of the flash + what kind of filters do you use ?
- the Nikkor picture also seems a bit out of focus, not just soft or is it me ?

Lots of comments just to say that I wouldn't draw a conclusion too quickly...

I am getting curious, I have ordered one a few days ago (delivery within 2 weeks...)

Guy



Jan 11, 2006 at 04:10 PM
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