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p.3 #1 · Which Ballhead


I was wondering how to remove that bit from 468MG, reason I didn't consider it. How exactly does the top bit come off, I can see a protuding screw but unscrewing that with a wrench is likely to strip it is it not?


Nov 30, 2005 at 02:18 PM
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p.3 #2 · Which Ballhead


Nope. It comes off easily and can be reused or you can get another one from RRS. It is a standard metric screw.


Nov 30, 2005 at 03:18 PM
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Any opinion on Gitzo G-1276M Mk2 Magnesium Universal Ballhead for the G-1227 Mountaineer Reporter Mk2 Carbon Fiber ? thanks
p.s: No recommendation on gitzo ball head at all, is it that bad?



Nov 30, 2005 at 04:01 PM
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p.3 #4 · Which Ballhead


You wouldn't have seen recommendations for the Manfrotto's if they hadn't brought out the MG, or if the QR wasn't so easy to replace.


Nov 30, 2005 at 05:27 PM
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cvumd wrote:
Any opinion on Gitzo G-1276M Mk2 Magnesium Universal Ballhead ...


I use the 1277M, and it's superb for the price. The platform (with cork upper surface) really needs an RRS upgrade, but the controls, mechanics and finish are fine. When unlocked, panning is smooth and, when locked, is fully immobile. I keep the payload under 4kg.



Nov 30, 2005 at 07:44 PM
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p.3 #6 · Which Ballhead


"You wouldn't have seen recommendations for the Manfrotto's if they hadn't brought out the MG, or if the QR wasn't so easy to replace."

You would have but only if "cheap" had been put in front of the recommendation request



Nov 30, 2005 at 08:14 PM
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p.3 #7 · Which Ballhead


Beni,

I looked up my receipt from RRS when I purchased the B2 Pro II clamp for my 468MG. The clamp was supplied with a metric 6 flat head screw (as suggested by RRS). It is exactly the same screw as the one holding down the stock platform on the 468MG. I'm sure they are readily available at a local hardware store should you need another one.



Dec 01, 2005 at 01:10 AM
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I think I'm going to get this one. I'll mainly be using lighter lenses although it appears it can handle a pretty good load and for the money appears to be as good as it gets. I've yet to find a negative review.

http://www.kirkphoto.com/ballheadbh3.html

tom



Dec 01, 2005 at 08:04 AM
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p.3 #9 · Which Ballhead


Tom RC wrote:
I think I'm going to get this one. I'll mainly be using lighter lenses although it appears it can handle a pretty good load and for the money appears to be as good as it gets. I've yet to find a negative review.

http://www.kirkphoto.com/ballheadbh3.html

tom


that or this, which is even easier to use as you don't have 3 knobs to deal with................and it's even lighter and will support more weight than the Kirk

http://www.pbase.com/image/52740926/original.jpg



Dec 01, 2005 at 08:12 AM
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p.3 #10 · Which Ballhead


cvumd wrote:
Any opinion on Gitzo G-1276M Mk2 Magnesium Universal Ballhead ...


rico wrote:
I use the 1277M, and it's superb for the price. The platform (with cork upper surface) really needs an RRS upgrade, but the controls, mechanics and finish are fine. When unlocked, panning is smooth and, when locked, is fully immobile. I keep the payload under 4kg.


No experience with the G-1276M.
I have a G1177M + RRS B2 Pro (II?) on my 1228 tripod. I support around 1kg max with it, but the guy who recommended it to me used a Hassy! It is smooth and locks well! I think the G1177M and the G1277M are real bargain for what they deliver, when one of them can fit the needs. Probably the best cheaper alternatives!



Dec 01, 2005 at 02:00 PM
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Finally the bullet went through the church. Yesterday I went to the shop (200milles) to test some tripods. It was more difficult then expected. It is not such a problem to find out the differences between the tripods, but deciding which one is the best for my situation was more difficult. It’s compromising between stability, length folded, working height, weight etc…

I used my 350D + 17-85 IS lens and a camera bag containing an Epson P2000 and a 75-300 lens. For the balhead I used my new BH-40.

The tripods I checked were:
- Gitzo 1197 (Basalt) : (57/120.5/153cm/3 sect) 1.2 kg; wobbly, quite low working height when center column down
- Gitzo 1198 (Basalt): (41.5/95/121cm/4sect) 1.2 kg; very wobbly, compact, far to low working height when center column down
- Gitzo 1297 (Basalt): (60/125/157cm/3sect) 1.6 kg, very stable, better working height when center column down
- Gitzo 1298 (Basalt): (49/120/151.5cm/4sect) 1.5 kg, quite stable, quite low working height when center column down
- Gitzo 1157 (Carbon): (60/126/148cm/3sect) 1.06kg, not tested
- Gitzo 1158 (Carbon): (48/112.5/135cm/4sect) 1.04 kg; quite stable, very light weight, low working height when center column down
- Gitzo 1258 (Carbon): (55/131.5/154.5) 1.4 kg; very stable, nice working height with center column down
- Gitzo 1257 (Carbon): (66/137.5/161) 1.4kg, not tested



The 1158 Carbon compared quite well with a Basalt 1298, although the basalt performs a bit better is my feeling. The 1297 Basalt was very stable IMHO but not so compact when folded.

I have the feeling that basalts are less stiff then carbons from the same range (1298/1258). When tapping the legs halfway, the basalt 1298 tends to wobble a bit longer then a 1258 or even a 1158. But the 1298 is heavier then a 1158 so in real life I think the 1298 is less prone to wind. The 1158 is also more top heavy then a 1298 basalt, that is something to consider it’s safer to put some weight to the hook of a 1158.

I considered the folded length of the 1157, 1297 and 1257 to long. The 1158 didn’t convince me and has a quite low working height, so finally I chosed the 1258 Carbon, which is very stable, has a comfortable working height and is reasonably compact (but still beefy).

The leg diameters of the 1258 are: 28, 24, 20 and 16 mm. When not extending the lower leg section of the 1258, the height (with center column down) is 100.5cm and it is as sturdy as a 1257. The 1258 is only 40 euro’s more expensive then the 1158 but is much – much more stable.

The 1297 Basalt is a very good performer but the 1298 Basalt is a bit….what should I say, maybe you will be very happy with it, but I haven’t got enough experience to say it’s stable enough.

I was unable to test heavy gear in the shop and I could only test the tripods indoors on a carpet, which makes things worse.

For traveling light I would not hesitate to buy the 1158 Carbon, it’s light weight and quite stable. But you should really keep the center column down and put your bag on the hook, because the tripod becomes top heavy.

About ALR…..
The ALR system works fine, you can setup these tripods in seconds. However the 1158 demo model I tested had one broken ALR lock, so the leg rotated when locking/unlocking. My feeling is that when you are a bit rough, these ALR locks are possibly a weak point.

About compactness…
All these tripods have the same overall diameter (the three legs together) so for traveling only the folded length and weight changes from tripod to tripod.

So if you were confused about tripods, you probably still are now….

Edited by RedRebel on Dec 05, 2005 at 09:23 AM GMT

Edited by RedRebel on Dec 05, 2005 at 09:25 AM GMT



Dec 04, 2005 at 11:07 AM
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p.3 #12 · Which Ballhead


Thanks Red Rebel. Helps.


Dec 04, 2005 at 05:04 PM
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Hi RedRebel,

Congratulations on your choice of tripod! Great to hear that you were able to compare them - when I did, I was quite surprised by the difference in the collapsed length, particularly for travelling.

Just to re-assure you, apart from the working height, there have been a few reports that the basalt legs are not as inert as the C/F ones so I really do think that you jumped the right way!

I also feel that the quality is so good that it will probably outlast me! - you get what you pay for! - Enjoy.....



Dec 04, 2005 at 05:18 PM
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p.3 #14 · Which Ballhead


Since this thread keeps getting bumped I might as well add the conclusion of my story.

The 468MG arrived on Friday and I'm impressed so far. I don't really know why I ordered the RC0 since I was planning on converting the ballhead to Arca-Swiss clamps anyway. If all of my gear didn't already have Wimberley plates I would feel completely comfortable with the RC0 system. In fact, I would argue that it is feels stronger than the Arca-Swiss system.

I also ordered a Wimberley C-10 Clamp. Mostly this was due to convenience (B&H Stocks the clamp so I could grab everything in one shot). It also had to do with the fact that I was impressed with the quality of my other Wimberley products. I did this at my own risk, since Wimberley did not claim to support the 468MG. The transplant from the RC0 to C-10 went fairly smooth with a couple of exceptions.

1) The Wimberley clamp was designed for ballheads which have a stud (the 468 has a tapped hole that you bolt into). Because of this, the center mounting hole is not countersunk. This means the head of the bolt sticks up a bit and interferes with the travel of the plates. This should be easy enough to fix myself, but I hate the ruining the finish.

2) The Wimberley clamp does not have a spirit level while the RC0 actually had two.

I've sent my findings to Wimberley and have offered to send them photos/etc.

Also, this head had no trouble holding the 600f4 and 20D even tilted partly over (in the notch).

Nick



Dec 05, 2005 at 03:49 AM
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p.3 #15 · Which Ballhead


Hi Suba,

It's a lot of money but it is really a piece of quality en very solid. This tripod will last a lifetime when nothing weird happens.



Dec 05, 2005 at 04:02 AM
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p.3 #16 · Which Ballhead


Nick

You might want to check down at your local hardware store, if I understand you correctly and see what they have in stainless, flat machine screws to help with that tapered dilemma in attaching the clamp to the ballhead. The RRS clamp has a counter sunk opening in order to take the flat screw head.

If possible could you post a few more of your impressions with the converted 468MG and how it reponds to the 600/4.0L.

Thanks!



Dec 05, 2005 at 08:10 AM
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Yeah I actually got a reply from Wimberley this morning (talk about customer service) saying that they offer a version of the C-10 for the 468MG and are going to investigate whether it's possible to do a swap. If the swap looks complicated then I'll grab a flat machine screw & toss the clamp on a drillpress fix it myself.

I'll try to get some pictures tonight of the 600 on the head.

First impressions with the 600 are that the head has no trouble holding the weight. The problem seems to be more with the friction control and the huge amount of varience between supporting the lens upright (where the weight of the lens is over the center of the head) vs in the slot (where there are more rotational forces).



Dec 05, 2005 at 01:59 PM
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I'm not a big friction control fan. Didn't like it at all with the Markins and liked it a bit with the 468MG.

I think I understand what your commenting on as the force being applied when hanging in the slot is a lot more then when straight up and down.

Playing with it a bit to find a point between the two, as you already know is the ticket.

Me? I set the drag for what ever I feel comfortable with, ratchet that puppy around to where I want it and then lock it in place. I don't try to make nice with the ballhead when I work it as I realize that with the short throw of the lock, you'll have a lot of drag as opposed to the silky smooth action of the Markins.

Choices, to me; no drag with the "Loose as a Goose" 488, little to medium drag with the "Pretty Boy Markins" or a lot of drag with a short locking throw with the "Macho Man Italian Tank," "I GIVE YOU THE 468, MG BALLHEAD!!!!!"

The use of the 468MG is more of an attitude as opposed to pretty boy playing with it like all the others. Once you come to this understaning with how it works, "with attitude," then it's a pleasure to work with.

Hope that helps.



Dec 05, 2005 at 03:12 PM
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I definitely need more time before I'll feel completely comfortable with this. As you can see from the photo below though, the ballhead is fine with the 600 on top. I figured this is about the worst possible angle you could pick (the heavy front element facing down).

The friction control is going to take a little more playing before I get comfortable trusting it. The thought of the lens breaking free and slamming against the tripod legs is enough fo me to feel a little nervous. Again, this is a bit of learning process I'd be going through regarldess of the ballhead.

I did try pushing on the lens and yanking on the replacement foot, and I couldn't get the ballhead to budge at all.

http://www.nickhritsko.com/Gear/600_ballhead.jpg


Nick



Dec 06, 2005 at 03:44 AM
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Ohh yeah and I still need to order the RRS L-Bracket. Waiting to see if I get the grip for xmas. Until then I have the Wimberley P-5 (which could eventually move to the SD400 on occasion).

Also, I should say that Wimberley's customer support is awesome! They're going well out of their way to help me out with this clamp swap and I didn't even buy from them directly. I don't want to give exact details, but they're going beyond what I ever expected to be sure I get things set up right.

Nick



Dec 06, 2005 at 03:51 AM
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