fredmiranda.com
Login

Moderated by: Fred Miranda
Username  

  

FM Forums | Nikon Forum | Join Upload & Sell

  

So Back to Pondering the ZR

  
 
glassartist
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #1 · So Back to Pondering the ZR


I was hoping for a compact Nikon version of the A7C (but please with a better EVF) but that isn't where the Z5IIC went. I would have gone for a ZR photo-centric version (couple extra buttons probably would have done it).

My personal view (and I have nothing to base this on other than pure speculation) is that all the camera companies are struggling with ballooning memory costs (a consequence of restricting supplies from the data center juggernaut) and maybe constricting manufacturing along with the general instability of the markets; Nikon has gone quiet, Fuji has delayed releases, and Sony is having supply issues.

I'm back to pondering the ZR as a more compact travel photographic carry. I know, I know; it's not designed for that. But I've read here and there of folks being pretty happy with it - particularly for manual focus lenses which I enjoy. I was just wondering if others have found it workable.



Sep 25, 2026 at 08:20 AM
RustyRus
Offline
• • • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.1 #2 · So Back to Pondering the ZR


The Nikon ZR as a stills camera: I love it

Shooting off a screen isn't like shooting with an EVF. You won't be adjusting settings on the fly with your eye to the finder, and why would you want it to work the same way? Most of the complaints I see are about wanting the same button layout as an EVF camera. If that's what you want, there are plenty of other options that give you the traditional experience.

That said, the ZR is a great photography camera. I've spent a lot of time with it in true hybrid settings, switching between video and stills all day.

My biggest trip with it was two weeks in NYC, filming and shooting stills before and after the NYC Marathon. Crowds, runners, changing light, on and off the subway, nighttime, Halloween. It handled all of it beautifully.

This is a set-and-forget camera, though. If you tweak settings after every frame, move on. But dial things in before you head out, lean on auto ISO, set up your custom buttons for what's critical to change quickly (focus points, for me), and it gets out of your way.

What stood out:

The screen. Big, beautiful, and easy to see in any light.
Autofocus. Bang on in video and photo.
Image quality. Very clean files.
Hybrid workflow. One body covers both video and stills.
Audio. The best audio you can get, period. Even the new FX5 only supports 32-bit float with an adapter.
Manual glass. I used the 28mm f/1.4D (screw drive) extensively with this setup and loved it. Shooting closer to waist level reminded me of using a Hasselblad 500C. Aperture set on the lens, SS set, Auto ISO. Really Really great experience! Good fun.

Go in knowing what it is and what it isn't, and it's an easy camera to love.

Edit - I also think most people saying things about the camera on why it won't work for stills have never used it



Sep 25, 2026 at 08:49 AM
RexGig0
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.1 #3 · So Back to Pondering the ZR


The ZR’s LCD is not only big, it is bright, and very high-resolution. Mid-day, harsh August sun, In southern Texas? No problemo! I am SOLD on EVF-Less-Ness. I never liked the idea of looking into a tunnel, at a small TV.

I wear prescription eyeglasses, while shooting. An articulating screen, usable in a wide range of conditions, reduces wear and tear on my eyeglasses. Having said that, I do still like nicely-sized OVFs, so, am still using cameras that have OVFs. Rather than replace my D5 and D850 DSLRs, the ZR can complement them.

As for living without Back-Button-Focus, well, I am already accustomed to using cameras that do not offer this feature, such as Leica M. It is not all that difficult for me to know that having a small rectangular camera in my hands means there is no convenient Back Button with which to AF.

The ZR is noticeably compact. It is almost Leica M or Q small. (Actually, with that huge, honking, permanently-affixed lens, a Leica Q is NOT a compact camera! Plus, I think that a Q is also a bit taller than an M.)

Manual focus, with an F-mount Voigtlander 40mm f/2 lens having electronic communication with the camera, through the FTZ adapter, seems excellent. Next up, a 90mm Voigtlander. When I remember where I stored it, it will be a 58mm f/1.4 Voigtlander. Then, I will try non-electronic-contact F-mount lenses.

A separate experiment will be using M-mount lenses with a non-electronic-contact Voigtlander M-to-Z adapter. This may give a new lease on life, to my 75mm, 85mm, and 90mm M-mount lenses, or, may result in them being sold or traded. Still lovin’ my Leica M cameras, but, 21mm to 50mm, only.

While I like the idea of shooting video, the brief thrill I got from experimenting with the Z30, for a few weeks, did not transmit to my use of the ZR. So, to paraphrase the saying, I came (to the ZR) for the video, but stayed for the stills, thanks to the huge, bright, hi-rez LCD.

Nikkor AF-S 35mm f/1.4G: WOW! I had thought my sample of this lens was a bit too soft, unless stopped well-down. I now think that I should have tried AF Fine Tuning, a decade or more ago. I had meant to sell this lens, a few months ago, when a KEH buyer came to Holland Imaging, in Austin, Texas, but, as I got ready to leave, could not remember where I had put this lens. Yes, of course, this fast 35G does sharpen-up as it is stopped-down, but thanks to Z-cams’ more accurate AF, I was able to see the lovely, “classic” wide-open rendering, for the first time. Now that think about it, I had only used this fast 35G on a Nikon Df and maybe a D3s. I had never tried it on my pair of D5 cameras, or a D850, with their easier-to-use implementation of AF Fine Tuning.

Nikkor AF-S 58G: Again, wow! Don’t take my word for it. See the long-running thread on this this lens. Z cameras love this lens, and, it loves them back. Notably, however, I liked the accuracy of my 58G on a D5, so did not “need” a Z camera, to have a good result. The 58G is actually not a large lens, overall, so, the FTZ adapter does not result in an overly-long combo. The front element of the 58G is quite recessed, so, rather than buy a “proper” hood, I use a step-up ring to protect the front of the lens. (I had bought my 58G pre-owned, locally.)

I do not feel a need for a grip on my ZR. Perhaps it is because I am actually left-handed, with small tools, or, perhaps because I did not start using interchangeable lens cameras until a couple of issues had already started afflicting my right thumb, hand, and wrist. Or, perhaps it is because “long lens technique” was important to my shooting, early on, but, I not only support the lens and camera with my upraised left hand and forearm, but also carry them in my left hand. So, the ZR being so small is not a problem, for me. YMMV/OMMV…

The menu and controls being so much touch-screen-driven is certainly different. I bought a second Z30, to test the concept, before buying the ZR. (My wife had “seized” the first Z30 that I had bought.)

Sorry for the scattered randomness of my thoughts. Caffeine is slowly taking effect, this A.M.





Sep 25, 2026 at 10:07 AM
JustAHouseCat
Offline
•
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #4 · So Back to Pondering the ZR


I have used the ZR for almost exactly what you are talking about here for nearly 6 months. Primarily with the Nikon 40mm f2 and 26mm f2.8 and the Voigtlander 28mm f1.5. It is very good for what it is but there are 2 main drawbacks in my opinion. The first is that there is no way to back button focusing with AF. The second is that the electronic only shutter sometimes flickers lightly under LEDs and can have more wobbly rolling shutter when shooting from a car or panning too much.

The biggest pros for my use case, outside of the size, are the zoom rocker when doing critical focus on the Voigtlander and the lack of viewfinder. The lack of viewfinder is obviously very nice for zone focusing street photography. People don't really see it as a camera in a similar way to how people don't see the Ricoh GR's. The zoom rocker being right by the shutter helps when your critically focusing for an impromptu portrait or something as well. The nice big screen is good enough as well that I'm not missing an EVF for something like street or vacation and family snapshotting

Nikon has put a tough decision in front of me and potentially you as well. If you want compact and Nikon, Z5iic or Zr for stills? It's not as clear cut as people on the forums make it out to be. I'll probably see clearer once my annoyance with Nikon and the ridiculous Japanese bureaucracy that lead to the bizarre contradictions of the Z5iic. Really wish they just made a rangefinder esque z7iii.




Sep 25, 2026 at 10:42 AM
FusionX.Photo
Offline
•
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #5 · So Back to Pondering the ZR


You can dial in an exact shutter speed to counter flicker, not an issue i've encountered though shooting in a lot of situations with LED's which have troubled my other cameras.


Sep 26, 2026 at 02:59 AM
FrozenInTime
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #6 · So Back to Pondering the ZR


JustAHouseCat wrote:
I have used the ZR for almost exactly what you are talking about here for nearly 6 months. Primarily with the Nikon 40mm f2 and 26mm f2.8 and the Voigtlander 28mm f1.5. It is very good for what it is but there are 2 main drawbacks in my opinion. The first is that there is no way to back button focusing with AF. The second is that the electronic only shutter sometimes flickers lightly under LEDs and can have more wobbly rolling shutter when shooting from a car or panning too much.

The biggest pros for my use case, outside of
...Show more →

I assign AF-ON to the #1 button to achieve BBF.

My assignments are :
Photo : AF-ON, Infinity-focus, Cycle AF-area mode, and (REC) the front LHS set as focus point reset.
Video : AF-ON, DISP ( Cycle live view info display) to bring up waveform which fills the screen, Cycle AF-area mode, and (REC ) set to FX/DX.

Half-press AF activation is set to OFF,
Half-press to cancel zoom (MF) is ON

When using manual focus lenses, including the Voigtländers, I will reassign the AF related buttons.

I also use a VND to keep the shutter speeds low.



Sep 26, 2026 at 08:20 AM
RoamingScott
Offline
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #7 · So Back to Pondering the ZR


It's always interesting to see how many people are SO resistant to leaving BBAF where it belongs, in 2010


Sep 26, 2026 at 08:45 AM
Victor Santos
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: On
p.1 #8 · So Back to Pondering the ZR


The size is great, especially with the 26/2.8. The LCD is gorgeous. Despite that, it was still difficult to see in bright sun. Perhaps I didn't have it set bright enough though. I was definitely in situations where I wished for an EVF.


Sep 26, 2026 at 05:45 PM
Spectro
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: On
p.1 #9 · So Back to Pondering the ZR




RoamingScott wrote:
It's always interesting to see how many people are SO resistant to leaving BBAF where it belongs, in 2010

Because it still works as well in 2026 as it did in 2010….



Sep 26, 2026 at 06:47 PM
newyork
Online
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #10 · So Back to Pondering the ZR


I use it. I just started in 2022 so I didn’t don’t know it was old school. If it works it works use it. If it doesn’t, don’t.

RoamingScott wrote:
It's always interesting to see how many people are SO resistant to leaving BBAF where it belongs, in 2010




Sep 26, 2026 at 07:16 PM
 


Search in Used Dept. 

RoamingScott
Offline
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #11 · So Back to Pondering the ZR


Spectro wrote:
Because it still works as well in 2026 as it did in 2010….


The point of using it back then was because we had 5 AF points and HAD to focus and recompose.

There is no functional or advantageous reason to use it any longer now that we have edge to edge PDAF, a bazillion AF points, full time AF-C, and subject detection.

It's an odd thing to force yourself to do when you can very easily free up another button for more important things. This seems especially important for those trying to convince themselves that a video camera designed to be put in a cage is a good choice for a "compact" stills camera.



Sep 26, 2026 at 08:33 PM
newyork
Online
• • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #12 · So Back to Pondering the ZR


For me, I’ve used it almost since I started. It’s ingrained. I stopped doing it for a week and it just felt weird half pressing a shutter button.

If some ppl get pics that make themselves and or others happy using one method over the other, what does it matter?

They’re not in the cool camp? Who cares? “You’re so 2010 bro” lol.



Sep 26, 2026 at 08:43 PM
RoamingScott
Offline
• • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #13 · So Back to Pondering the ZR


You're out of your element, Donny


Sep 26, 2026 at 08:44 PM
EB-1
Offline
• • • • • • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #14 · So Back to Pondering the ZR


We had 45 AF points in 1998, surely not fewer in 2010.

There are still times when BBF makes sense to separate the AF act from the exposure act. Though you may not prefer it some of us do.

EBH



Sep 26, 2026 at 09:00 PM
Superscroll
Offline
•
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #15 · So Back to Pondering the ZR




newyork wrote:
I use it. I just started in 2022 so I didn’t don’t know it was old school. If it works it works use it. If it doesn’t, don’t.



I’m new to it as well and think it’s fantastic.



Sep 27, 2026 at 05:48 AM
Luke_Miller
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #16 · So Back to Pondering the ZR


RoamingScott wrote:
There is no functional or advantageous reason to use it any longer now that we have edge to edge PDAF, a bazillion AF points, full time AF-C, and subject detection.

.


I still use it out of habit. It is unnecessary with my Nikon Z9, but with the contrast detect Leica SL and SL2 cameras it allows me to get AF-C performance internet lore says is not possible.




Sep 27, 2026 at 07:34 AM
Goranian
Offline
•
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #17 · So Back to Pondering the ZR


I like bbf even if it's not necessary. It's easier just don't refocus every single pic when it's not necessary, or follow a subject with the button and press shutter later. I feel more comfortable that way, and it's one of the reasons I'm not sure about buying the ZR. It would be more point and shot than my Z8, so maybe I would get user to it.


Sep 27, 2026 at 08:29 AM
wind30
Offline
• • •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #18 · So Back to Pondering the ZR


Goranian wrote:
I like bbf even if it's not necessary. It's easier just don't refocus every single pic when it's not necessary, or follow a subject with the button and press shutter later. I feel more comfortable that way, and it's one of the reasons I'm not sure about buying the ZR. It would be more point and shot than my Z8, so maybe I would get user to it.


exactly... some people seems to think the subject detection is perfect or telepathic. When there are multiple subject in the frame to make it ambiguous, I rather be able to take photos without triggering AF and risking the camera choosing the wrong subject.

I have ZR and 2 Z8s and the inability of the ZR to program the joystick button to AF-on is just stupid.... hopefully nikon fix it in a firmware. how difficult can it be?

I can live without BBF in ZR but does not mean I am happy about it. I much prefer BBF.



Sep 27, 2026 at 09:24 AM
JustAHouseCat
Offline
•
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #19 · So Back to Pondering the ZR



RoamingScott wrote:
The point of using it back then was because we had 5 AF points and HAD to focus and recompose.

There is no functional or advantageous reason to use it any longer now that we have edge to edge PDAF, a bazillion AF points, full time AF-C, and subject detection.

It's an odd thing to force yourself to do when you can very easily free up another button for more important things. This seems especially important for those trying to convince themselves that a video camera designed to be put in a cage is a good choice for a "compact" stills camera.


No one's saying the Zr is a great choice for a compact stills camera. It's just the best option from Nikon currently.

Back button focusing is still pretty useful. I just think it might be a little advanced for your abilities Scott... 😝



Sep 27, 2026 at 09:44 AM
FrozenInTime
Offline
• •
Upload & Sell: Off
p.1 #20 · So Back to Pondering the ZR


wind30 wrote:
I have ZR and 2 Z8s and the inability of the ZR to program the joystick button to AF-on is just stupid.... hopefully nikon fix it in a firmware. how difficult can it be?

I can live without BBF in ZR but does not mean I am happy about it. I much prefer BBF.


Nikon's menu in the ZR ( don't know about other cameras ) is annoying/inconsistent on the need to sometimes press <OK> to make settings stick; it can really slow down changes, any may be one of the reasons that joystick button cannot currently be reassigned ?

For photography, taking vertical photos, with the LCD tilted down, one reassignment I tried and failed to make, was to set the front <REC> button to function as a shutter release ( record only works in video ).

I think the lack of zebras in photo modes could easily be addressed.

The most annoying deliberate limitation is not allowing manual focus no-electronics lenses to indicate focus confirmation; the manually entered IBIS table information could easily be used to feed the algorithm, so that MF lenses could behave similarly to the Voigtländer Z lenses.

Fix all these issues, and the ZR, and possible future ZS with EVF, will really give Sony, Leica and Fujifilm something to worry about.



Sep 27, 2026 at 10:56 AM







FM Forums | Nikon Forum | Join Upload & Sell

    
 

You are not logged in. Login or Register