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Do you have a thought process you go through deciding what a photo would look best on a certain paper? In the past for large prints I have went with matte papers. I am getting ready to print another one and am considering semi-gloss, hoping I won't be disappointed. My second option is fine-art paper. If it matters this will be a giclee print. The photo is a fall photo and will be printed by a lab. There will also be a non-glare glass over the photo. Thanks for any input you can offer!


Jul 14, 2026 at 01:11 PM
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grandmas wrote:
Do you have a thought process you go through deciding what a photo would look best on a certain paper? In the past for large prints I have went with matte papers. I am getting ready to print another one and am considering semi-gloss, hoping I won't be disappointed. My second option is fine-art paper. If it matters this will be a giclee print. The photo is a fall photo and will be printed by a lab. There will also be a non-glare glass over the photo. Thanks for any input you can offer!


Since you asked, a few thoughts:

Since I want to know what. a print will look like, I’m not really much into using a lot of different types of papers. I will definitively try different papers regularly, just to see if anything crops up that might persuade me to change, but I generally stick to just a couple of types — one “luster” paper and perhaps one matte paper. (I print on luster probably 95% of the time, but that’s larger a subjective preference.)

One consideration is how the print will be displayed. If it will be matted, framed, and glazed (under glass or plexiglass), the differences between the paper types amount to much less than you might think since the glazing ends up being essentially a primary surface anyway. You’d have to look pretty hard to tell the difference under glass.

I would be more inclined to use a matte paper for smaller prints, say for a folio or similar, where viewers might actually look very closely, even hold the print, and thus be more aware of the paper’s qualities.

If you are not sure which way to go, why not initially make small versions fo the prints on both of the paper types under consideration? You’ll likely be able to better judge that way.

By the way, I don’t think many people in the photoraphy world are using the term “giclee print” any more. “Giclee print” is basically just a highfallutin’ way of saying “ink jet.” (Some will refer to them as “pigment prints,” which seems a bitt more, uh, midfallutin’.)

Good luck, and I hope your print turns out well!



Jul 14, 2026 at 03:23 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
Since you asked, a few thoughts:

Since I want to know what. a print will look like, I’m not really much into using a lot of different types of papers. I will definitively try different papers regularly, just to see if anything crops up that might persuade me to change, but I generally stick to just a couple of types — one “luster” paper and perhaps one matte paper. (I print on luster probably 95% of the time, but that’s larger a subjective preference.)

One consideration is how the print will be displayed. If it will be matted, framed, and glazed (under
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Thanks! If I understand you are saying that the difference between a semi-gloss and a matte fine-art paper under glass will not be noticeable?




Jul 14, 2026 at 03:51 PM
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Thanks! If I understand you are saying that the difference between a semi-gloss and a matte fine-art paper under glass will not be noticeable?



I would not say that it is not noticeable, but I’m definitively saying that putting a print under glass greatly diminishes the difference, since the texture differences are much less visible.

If you intend to try this more, it might well be worth investing in a. few smaller size prints from your printer that use the different papers. Have them print on both kinds and then consider the differences. Try placing glazing over them, too.

You may well still have a preference, and that’s fine.



Jul 14, 2026 at 05:15 PM
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I long since settled on semigloss/luster papers for almost all of my prints. I do have some metallic paper for special use. I also have some matte paper choices but have not used one for years. Sg/luster typically provides the best details, potential for the darkest blacks and better contrast. The only down side I see is the surface glare. As Dan pointed out that rarely means much of anything with glazing.


Jul 14, 2026 at 09:55 PM
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Camperjim wrote:
I long since settled on semigloss/luster papers for almost all of my prints. I do have some metallic paper for special use. I also have some matte paper choices but have not used one for years. Sg/luster typically provides the best details, potential for the darkest blacks and better contrast. The only down side I see is the surface glare. As Dan pointed out that rarely means much of anything with glazing.


Thanks, I am going to think about it a couple more days. Leaning more and more in the direction of semi-gloss!




Jul 14, 2026 at 11:02 PM
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I’m in the semi-gloss/luster/satin camp. Sure, glossy and matte have their places, but overall I like the presentation given by the luster papers: less reflection, deeper blacks, and no bronzing, at least with my printers.


Jul 15, 2026 at 10:28 PM
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I’m in the semi-gloss/luster/satin camp. Sure, glossy and matte have their places, but overall I like the presentation given by the luster papers: less reflection, deeper blacks, and no bronzing, at least with my printers.


Thank you, I am probably ordering tomorrow!




Jul 16, 2026 at 12:45 AM
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grandmas wrote:
Do you have a thought process you go through deciding what a photo would look best on a certain paper?


I don't think at that it is much of a "thought process" but more an "experience" thing.

Now that I a little further with my printing capabilities, I can say that ordering and trying a couple of totally different paper types was a good step.

You learn to see
What picture works best on what paper type: gloss, luster, matte.
What textured vs non-textured paper does.
What the difference is between small prints (A5?) and big (A2, A1)
What the impact is of glass / no glass in front of your pictures
What the impact is of a border (color and width)

Succes, that was my learning cycle ;-)



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ruududg wrote:
I don't think at that it is much of a "thought process" but more an "experience" thing.

Now that I a little further with my printing capabilities, I can say that ordering and trying a couple of totally different paper types was a good step.

You learn to see
What picture works best on what paper type: gloss, luster, matte.
What textured vs non-textured paper does.
What the difference is between small prints (A5?) and big (A2, A1)
What the impact is of glass / no glass in front of your pictures
What the impact is of a border (color and width)

Succes, that was
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You are right of course. I should have tried different papers a long time ago!




Jul 17, 2026 at 12:38 PM
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Not many OBA-free, natural white fine art papers offered by labs in my area (Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Baryta/Metallic, Museum Etching, William Turner, Epson Legacy Baryta II), which I guess helps makes choosing a bit easier.

I saw a video on YouTube comparing prints on various glossy and semi-gloss fine art papers from Hahnemuhle and the guy said he could hardly see any difference between them, and I certainly couldn't either. Doesn't seem like something that is worth thinking too deeply about.



Jul 17, 2026 at 06:22 PM
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doady wrote:
Not many OBA-free, natural white fine art papers offered by labs in my area (Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Baryta/Metallic, Museum Etching, William Turner, Epson Legacy Baryta II), which I guess helps makes choosing a bit easier.

I saw a video on YouTube comparing prints on various glossy and semi-gloss fine art papers from Hahnemuhle and the guy said he could hardly see any difference between them, and I certainly couldn't either. Doesn't seem like something that is worth thinking too deeply about.


Thanks! I ordered with confidence, late yesterday. While I was at it I also ordered a 5x7 on metallic, to take a look at another paper. I am not patiently waiting.




Jul 17, 2026 at 08:19 PM
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doady wrote:
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I saw a video on YouTube comparing prints on various glossy and semi-gloss fine art papers from Hahnemuhle and the guy said he could hardly see any difference between them, and I certainly couldn't either. Doesn't seem like something that is worth thinking too deeply about.


I did a lot of studies on different semigloss/luster papers. I looked at them blinded after shuffling and had others also compare. It was hard to see much in the way of difference even side by side after careful study. One paper did seem a bit different so I used that same paper with an ICC profile for another paper. The difference was due to the profile not the paper.



Jul 17, 2026 at 08:28 PM
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Camperjim wrote:
I did a lot of studies on different semigloss/luster papers. I looked at them blinded after shuffling and had others also compare. It was hard to see much in the way of difference even side by side after careful study. One paper did seem a bit different so I used that same paper with an ICC profile for another paper. The difference was due to the profile not the paper.


Don't know what papers you were comparing, but I've used both Epson Exhibition Fibre and Ilford Gold Fibre Silk and I see quite a big different between their surfaces.



Jul 18, 2026 at 05:51 PM
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My apologies if you’ve seen this before, but it’s a useful discussion/demonstration, at least it was for me:

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Jul 20, 2026 at 07:50 PM
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This is a fundamentally interesting question and depending on a multitude of variables, the answer is, it depends. The first thing one has to ask is how/where will the media be displayed, whether glazing is involved, what message is to be conveyed, and to a lesser degree the image itself. In many circumstances, the distinctions between papers is less acute when viewed in isolation whereas the differences become apparent quickly when they are held side-by-side. Fortunately, it isn't a binary choice and which way you lean is based on personal preferences. If glazing is involved many distinctions between papers including contrast and texture disappear. Additionally, if one employs UV filtering glazing, then if there are any OBA's in the paper, they will not fluoresce and the paper will likely appear more yellow.

The general advantage of matte papers is they tend not to have as many internal reflections behind glazing so many people opt for it. Most of the time, matte papers have comparatively smaller gamuts and dmax than glossier papers, although my favorite, FA, OBA free paper Arches 88 rivals many glossy varieties as well. With certain colorful subjects, a glossier paper might be warranted especially if the photo is being passed around or isn't framed. The surfaces tend to be slightly more durable in those circumstances.

Then, the subject should come into consideration. For example, I've printed portraits on every kind of paper and depending on the subject and the preference, one can make them work. If one is intending a muted, more ethereal look, then a watercolor paper can produce an interesting effect. High fashion with bold colors and impact? I've printed on metallics with great results. Landscapes with lots of negative space and limited gamut ranges seem to fair better on matte or even textured papers, whereas boldly colored flowers/landscapes seem to pop better on glossier varieties.

So, again, there isn't one singular answer and while one can generally develop an inkling as to what will look better on a type of paper, there isn't a universal rule. My general workflow is to print initially a test image on an inexpensive semi-gloss paper to assess color fidelity, sharpness, shadows, composition, cropping, and other rendering elements. From there, I usually make a decision based on some of the factors mentioned, and then re-edit accordingly. Interestingly, I had a lovely image of a mother otter and her pup, floating in a specular sea. Initially, I thought it might look best on a more glossy paper, but the contrast/colors didn't seem to work. The color transitions in the seawater rendered better on matte. Once you start doing this for a while, you'll develop your own style, preferences, and workflow. BOL.



Jul 25, 2026 at 06:15 PM
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Nick Carver, one of my favorite YT photogs, has a great video on printing papers, well worth your time.


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Todd Warnke wrote:
Nick Carver, one of my favorite YT photogs, has a great video on printing papers, well worth your time.


I now have my print and it is hanging on the wall. I like the look and will probably use semi-gloss for some prints in the future. I also ordered a small print on metallic paper that is interesting, but I don't think I would want metallic on the wall.

Thanks to all for helping me decide!




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