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Take this with a grain of salt, please. There is no consistent testing behind this. It's just my impressions after developing a load of film I had sitting in different cameras. The only consistent elements are:

- all B&W film was developed using the Cinestill Monobath developer/fixer (something I had never used before);
- everything was shot and developed by me, which is a key element of this exercise.

I finally decided to shoot all the rolls still lingering in various cameras: one roll in an Olympus OM 4ti, one roll in a Minox 35 ML, one roll in some old Zeiss Ikon 6x6 camera, one in a Mamiya RB67, one in a Zenza Bronica SQ-A and one in a Yashica Mat 24G. All rolls were 400 ISO, though some were Tri-X and some were Ilford HP5+.

The most important element is me. I rediscovered why digital is much better for me, merely because I'm impatient and about as unscientific as they come. Unless I really felt I had to, I didn't really get the development temps 100% right, meaning that the grain showing on the different rolls is not consistent at all. In my defense, with some cameras it was clear something was wrong and I didn't care that much about the actual results anymore.

Anyway, I won't go into too much detail. Either I screwed up or something was wrong with the camera, but that age-old Zeiss Ikon only had two images exposed and those were both images with multiple exposures on one frame. So, probably weird stuff with the film advance, not helped by the fact that I left the film in there forever and didn't do any consistent testing.

The Minox 35 ML clearly had metering issues. The Olympus didn't. But why shoot 35mm film when I can get so much more out of digital in the same kind of package. The Minox goes back to being a shelf item in my limited camera collection museum, while the Olympus may feature once in a while, because I did like the tactile feeling of using that camera.

I screwed up one of the rolls out of the Mamiya, probably by developing at too high a temperature. The grain is not a nice pattern. Even then, not sure there's a point for me using that heavy a kit for the 'fun' of using old gear. That's more or less also true for the Bronica. The files came out fine, but the camera is less intuitive than the Mamiya and I'm not sure I enjoy it enough.

Now I did really enjoy the Yashica, because it's so small and light, yet delivers nice 6x6 goodness.

One overriding conclusion, though, was that my approach to dealing with film is wrong (for my purposes). Since my main gear is now all digital, the role for film is mostly to slow me down and deliver a tactile feeling that digital often doesn't deliver. For that, I shouldn't shoot film at 400ISO. I should shoot at 100ISO, so I really do need to slow down and at the same time, optimize the film files. 400ISO was fine in my actual film days and if I want that edgier look now, but it's not the right default film choice for me based on the role film plays for me now.

For now, all film cameras are empty. I still have some film sitting in the fridge, all 400ISO. I probably fill the Yashica soon, but the other cameras will be used more sparingly. I also need to be much more deliberate when I shoot film again and especially when I develop film. I probably will abandon the Monobath, because it allows me a flexibility that's not optimal for the highest quality files when combined with my impatience and unscientific mindset.

I'm sharing this just for fun and purely as my experience. I know results could be much different and that this is all purely based on MY attitude and (with few exceptions) not on any particular piece of gear or product.



Jul 08, 2026 at 09:32 AM
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What was your Minox 35 ML doing with the metering? In program and aperture priority?

I admit I like my MB and ML and both have been somewhat reliable, but had all sorts of issues with the mercury battery powered Minox



Jul 08, 2026 at 10:03 AM
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aw614 wrote:
What was your Minox 35 ML doing with the metering? In program and aperture priority?

I admit I like my MB and ML and both have been somewhat reliable, but had all sorts of issues with the mercury battery powered Minox


Couple of things:

- it often showed P, even though the ring was not set at P, but at an aperture
- the aperture ring couldn’t go further than f/11, so f/16 could not be used

The latter was a hardware issue, while the former may have been linked to the battery.

When trying it out, I couldn’t rely on the readings. When developing the film, most frames are actually decently lit.

It’s a camera I still had from my film days and just wanted to try out. Now, it’s back to a ‘museum piece,’ alongside some of my other old cameras.



Jul 08, 2026 at 11:22 AM
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Doesn’t the Zeiss Ikonta have the red window to show you how to advance the film? You take a shot, then advance until the next frame number appears in the window. Or does it not have that but has the auto stop feature more recent cameras do?


Jul 08, 2026 at 12:11 PM
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Desmolicious wrote:
Doesn’t the Zeiss Ikonta have the red window to show you how to advance the film? You take a shot, then advance until the next frame number appears in the window. Or does it not have that but has the auto stop feature more recent cameras do?


Some Zeiss folders have the auto stop feature but it’s prone to not working correctly. I also have one which is incredibly unreliable when it comes to that. Also tried getting it fixed twice but no success.. the ones with the red window are preferable these days..



Jul 08, 2026 at 12:25 PM
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johnvanr wrote:
Couple of things:

- it often showed P, even though the ring was not set at P, but at an aperture
- the aperture ring couldn’t go further than f/11, so f/16 could not be used

The latter was a hardware issue, while the former may have been linked to the battery.

When trying it out, I couldn’t rely on the readings. When developing the film, most frames are actually decently lit.

It’s a camera I still had from my film days and just wanted to try out. Now, it’s back to a ‘museum piece,’ alongside some of my other old cameras.


Ah that second Aperture ring issue, I've experienced that my MB and ML, there are small screws that just loosens up over time and it blocks the aperture ring from going all the way to F16. In my case it was preventing me from going past F8 on mine. It isn't a hard fix, but very easy to mess up the lens focus if everything isn't marked prior to disassembly.

I've heard of P and A mode issues before though which made me a bit concerned about the ML that I bought for a good price



Jul 08, 2026 at 01:10 PM
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Desmolicious wrote:
Doesn’t the Zeiss Ikonta have the red window to show you how to advance the film? You take a shot, then advance until the next frame number appears in the window. Or does it not have that but has the auto stop feature more recent cameras do?


It does. But we're talking about a camera I probably put film in more than a year ago if not earlier. I may well have opened the thing at some point thinking there was no film in it. So many ways things may have been screwed up. I probably try again, because it's such a delightfully small package for producing 6x6 negatives. Film really brings out the worst in me, in terms of the consequences of sloppiness etc.

The whole exercise is an interesting personal lesson for me:

- first of all, it's all in good fun and a hobby; I tend to be professional when I need to be, but care much less when I don't need to be;
- in that same vein, I loaded film in the darned thing initially without indicating on the outside that I had done so;
- the developer I used allows for so much leeway that it's counterproductive for a guy like me (in my non-pro mode), so I become less precise (which is why I need to buy a separate developer and fixer solution and be forced to watch my temps and times so get optimal results).

I've just become so spoiled shooting digital and seeing my mistakes right away...



Jul 08, 2026 at 02:44 PM
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aw614 wrote:
Ah that second Aperture ring issue, I've experienced that my MB and ML, there are small screws that just loosens up over time and it blocks the aperture ring from going all the way to F16. In my case it was preventing me from going past F8 on mine. It isn't a hard fix, but very easy to mess up the lens focus if everything isn't marked prior to disassembly.

I've heard of P and A mode issues before though which made me a bit concerned about the ML that I bought for a good price


Initially when I started using it again, the apertures seem to work, but wouldn't go to f/16. Then out of the blue, it always showed P mode, no matter what I did with the aperture ring. It also stopped warning of under- or over-exposure.

This may well be a battery issue, as I understand you can't really get the original batteries anymore so anything you use isn't really compatible with the camera. Not sure I'm right about that, though. But I had some issues with the Olympus OM 4Ti as well, which seem to have been battery issues. The problem with the Minox is that you don't know the shutter speed, so you can't use an external light meter to double check what you're doing.



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You make a good case for using one camera and one film stock.


Jul 09, 2026 at 01:50 PM
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bwcolor wrote:
You make a good case for using one camera and one film stock.


Not sure about the one camera, but I’m probably going to end up with one kind of film. Not sure which one yet, because the brands I used to deal with are very expensive. But probably slower film. No more 400 iso.

And no 35mm film after I finish the rolls still in my fridge, though I did like using the Olympus OM 4. I was a Pentax ME Super guy in the good old film days, but I think I missed out on that Olympus in hindsight (not sure I could have afforded it).




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johnvanr wrote:
Not sure about the one camera, but I’m probably going to end up with one kind of film. Not sure which one yet, because the brands I used to deal with are very expensive. But probably slower film. No more 400 iso.

And no 35mm film after I finish the rolls still in my fridge, though I did like using the Olympus OM 4. I was a Pentax ME Super guy in the good old film days, but I think I missed out on that Olympus in hindsight (not sure I could have afforded it).



My comment was with regards to getting everything sorted and after that you at least have a baseline. I went through and to some extent am going through the same process. I was set to do only MF, but to my surprise, after working on optimizing my scanning, I found that with Ektar, E100 and Portra 160@100, I could obtain very fine detailed and if wanted, contrasty images that printed to 30”x40”. I discovered that Portra 400@200 provided a much greater flexibility, especially with medium format, where the lenses are slow.




Jul 10, 2026 at 07:43 AM
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johnvanr wrote:
Not sure about the one camera, but I’m probably going to end up with one kind of film. Not sure which one yet, because the brands I used to deal with are very expensive. But probably slower film. No more 400 iso.

And no 35mm film after I finish the rolls still in my fridge, though I did like using the Olympus OM 4. I was a Pentax ME Super guy in the good old film days, but I think I missed out on that Olympus in hindsight (not sure I could have afforded it).



I second this experience. Went through the same when starting back on with film about 10 years ago - meanwhile I am using 2-3 B&W films only, all from Ilford and go with two developers only. This is it. I found that these films - with PanF+ being my favorite - and Rodinal/Xtol is subjectively the best for my style of film photography. But since a few years ago, I also slowed down in using film after prices quadrupled in a matter of few years. I also went back to using digital more and purchased for this reason my Leica M 246 monochrome camera to make up for less B&W film usage. Never looked back, it was a good move for me.

Regarding film size, I tested it all from large format 4x5" to 6x6 and 6x7 cm medium format and 35 mm film. I was excited for a while especially with medium format film, but it has faded for two reasons: first, gear size matters. When I went out for a walk, I always grabbed quickly one of my smaller Leica M film cameras and never lugged the much heaver Hasselblad 500 with me. The camera you often use is the right camera for you! And it was always 35 mm film. Second was printing - I made and still sporadically make prints from film in my darkroom, and on 11x14 as max print size I did not see much difference in print quality from 35 mm film compared to 6x6 or 6x7 - at least not for low grain film which I prefer anyway. Medium format provides more of a 3D pop with wider open lens, but since I rarely take portraits, it didn't matter much. Now I use 35 mm film nearly all the time and haven't purchased 120 film since more than 3 years.



Jul 10, 2026 at 08:43 AM
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retrofocus wrote:
I second this experience. Went through the same when starting back on with film about 10 years ago - meanwhile I am using 2-3 B&W films only, all from Ilford and go with two developers only. This is it. I found that these films - with PanF+ being my favorite - and Rodinal/Xtol is subjectively the best for my style of film photography. But since a few years ago, I also slowed down in using film after prices quadrupled in a matter of few years. I also went back to using digital more and purchased for this reason my Leica
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All makes sense and to my surprise, I’ve been impressed with 35mm, but since you use rangefinders, check out the Bronica RF645 and some of the fixed lens Fuji 645 offerings. I have the three lens system with the Bronica and it provides a great alternative to 35mm without a SLR MF experience. I’m not expecting you to change and use MF rangefinders, but others might consider this. The Mamiya 7(ii) is also a great rangefinder, but substantially larger.



Jul 10, 2026 at 08:56 AM
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bwcolor wrote:
All makes sense and to my surprise, I’ve been impressed with 35mm, but since you use rangefinders, check out the Bronica RF645 and some of the fixed lens Fuji 645 offerings. I have the three lens system with the Bronica and it provides a great alternative to 35mm without a SLR MF experience. I’m not expecting you to change and use MF rangefinders, but others might consider this. The Mamiya 7(ii) is also a great rangefinder, but substantially larger.


For a while I was interested and looked into the Fuji 645, but I have stopped adding more gear to what I already have since a couple of years. At this point I am making full usage of what I have - since I don't feel any limitation from my gear, I don't even have the need to get something different or new. My problem is a totally different one: to make time for photography. And gear doesn't help me there .



Jul 10, 2026 at 09:03 AM
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bwcolor wrote:
My comment was with regards to getting everything sorted and after that you at least have a baseline. I went through and to some extent am going through the same process. I was set to do only MF, but to my surprise, after working on optimizing my scanning, I found that with Ektar, E100 and Portra 160@100, I could obtain very fine detailed and if wanted, contrasty images that printed to 30”x40”. I discovered that Portra 400@200 provided a much greater flexibility, especially with medium format, where the lenses are slow.



Not sure I want to deal with the expense of shooting color film.



Jul 10, 2026 at 03:02 PM
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johnvanr wrote:
Not sure I want to deal with the expense of shooting color film.

I misunderstood what you were saying.



Jul 10, 2026 at 04:30 PM







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