Amazon has it at its lowest price ever, at $900. I still love my Z5, which I had bought on sale at $1000 a few years ago. While I've considered upgrading bodies, it's hard to justify when the Z6/Zf bodies have worse dynamic range in good light, and half of my favorite lenses are manual anyway, so I don't need the better autofocus. 24 megapixels is also plenty for my needs. I put the savings into collecting more glass.
RoamingScott wrote:
The Zf does NOT have worse DR. They are the exact same sensor.
No, they are not the same sensor.
Zf shares the Z6/Z6ii/Z5ii/D780 BSI sensor.
The Z5 has a PDAF variant of the D750/D600/D610 FSI sensor. It's a unique variant used in no other bodies.
According to Photons to Photos, the Max PDR on the Z5 is 11.35 stops. the Zf/Z5ii is an imperceptibly lower 11.15 stops.
Ironically the DSLR's actually have a notable jump in DR over the newer Z5, with the D610 (newest of the 3 DSLR bodies with that sensor) having a near 1/2 top advantage at 11.61 stops. The Z6iii pays a heftier price, at 10.49 stops max PDR.
asdfghreturns wrote:
Amazon has it at its lowest price ever, at $900. I still love my Z5, which I had bought on sale at $1000 a few years ago. While I've considered upgrading bodies, it's hard to justify when the Z6/Zf bodies have worse dynamic range in good light, and half of my favorite lenses are manual anyway, so I don't need the better autofocus. 24 megapixels is also plenty for my needs. I put the savings into collecting more glass.
The EXPEED7 bodies have significant improvements in manual lens assists, both in terms of adding subject detection (in Manual focus) and in a significantly improved user experience thanks to the improvements in the non-CPU lens data interface (you can now name lenses, set arbitrary focal lengths and apertures and lose some of the limitations on non-CPU lens data to EXIF).
The difference in Dynamic range is imperceptible (0.2 stops max at base ISO) and the manual lens experience is much better on the newer bodies.
The Z5 has a PDAF variant of the D750/D600/D610 FSI sensor. It's a unique variant used in no other bodies.
According to Photons to Photos, the Max PDR on the Z5 is 11.35 stops. the Zf/Z5ii is an imperceptibly lower 11.15 stops.
Ironically the DSLR's actually have a notable jump in DR over the newer Z5, with the D610 (newest of the 3 DSLR bodies with that sensor) having a near 1/2 top advantage at 11.61 stops. The Z6iii pays a heftier price, at 10.49 stops max PDR.
The Z5 has a PDAF variant of the D750/D600/D610 FSI sensor. It's a unique variant used in no other bodies.
According to Photons to Photos, the Max PDR on the Z5 is 11.35 stops. the Zf/Z5ii is an imperceptibly lower 11.15 stops.
Ironically the DSLR's actually have a notable jump in DR over the newer Z5, with the D610 (newest of the 3 DSLR bodies with that sensor) having a near 1/2 top advantage at 11.61 stops. The Z6iii pays a heftier price, at 10.49 stops max PDR.
The 'imperceptibly lower' caught my eye. It is something I've always wondered about Claff's PTP. I know he gathers data from volunteers using programs and methodologies he proscribes and then (I assume) collates. Do you know if there is any margin of error in those figures? I've glanced through some of his articles and can't determine what level of precision we are talking about.
glassartist wrote:
The 'imperceptibly lower' caught my eye. It is something I've always wondered about Claff's PTP. I know he gathers data from volunteers using programs and methodologies he proscribes and then (I assume) collates. Do you know if there is any margin of error in those figures? I've glanced through some of his articles and can't determine what level of precision we are talking about.
Imperceptibly lower is my interpretation based on actually shooting with several of the relevant cameras as well as the numbers on PTP that show a ~0.2 stop difference.
I’ve owned the original Z5, and own the current Z5ii as well as the OG Z7, which tests about as much better in DR to the Z5 as the Z5ii/Zf tests worse. In actual base ISO shooting I find no perceptible difference in base iso dr between the Z5’s and a very small and rarely perceptible difference between the Z5ii and the Z7 at base iso, only visible in the most demanding shots (and never enough to make a real difference)
