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Really? It has M in its name and from the Leica product page:

"With focus assist, the Leica M EV1 offers a seamless entry into the world of M photography."

To me it seems like Leica does everything it can to associate the camera with the M system...


Yeah it seems to me that at some level Leica is trying to have it both ways. In the EV-1 introductions Leica made some clear distinctions. The "M" in the original line stands for "Messsucher" which translates to Rangfinder. Clearly the M-EV1 doesn't meet this definition. So Leica says the "M" stands for the native use of M lenses. Fine, I guess.

Leica also made a point that the EV-1 doesn't replace any cameras in the range finder line, but is an additional line of options for lovers of M glass, and an entry point for new leica users who are intimidated by the Rangefinder. The made it clear that the expect the EV-1 to develop independently from the traditional RF line. That means we could get EV-1 special additions, monochrome, and P versions with specs different from the rF versions.

A couple of the big differences that might play out grows from the desire of users to have more advanced focus aids in the EV-1. T enable this the EV-1 sensor may have some of the autofocus cells that are not in the RF cameras. Many of the desired focus aids will require electronic communication between camera and lenses. Obviously these contacts will not ever find their way into the RF lenses. So the line may diverge for rF "M" in both sensor and lenses in the coming years. If the EV1 is successful enough sales wise I expect we will see these significant divergence in the future and the EV-1 will be more obviously a seperate line of products.

As I said previously this first EV-1 is a test release to help guage market acceptance and profitability. Time will tell.




Jul 08, 2026 at 02:37 PM
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Yeah it seems to me that at some level Leica is trying to have it both ways. In the EV-1 introductions Leica made some clear distinctions. The "M" in the original line stands for "Messsucher" which translates to Rangfinder. Clearly the M-EV1 doesn't meet this definition. So Leica says the "M" stands for the native use of M lenses. Fine, I guess.

Leica also made a point that the EV-1 doesn't replace any cameras in the range finder line, but is an additional line of options for lovers of M glass, and an entry point for new leica users who are
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RF M and M EV could diverge but they don't necessarily have to.

Magnification and peaking are available on the RF M. I would assume that they would also make focus confirmation available on the RF M.

I will be interesting to see whether the SL gets focus confirmation before the M... It should be much easier on the SL



Jul 08, 2026 at 03:06 PM
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I wasn't referring to your link, but to the post on p.20 #16 and the video I linked to.


You are correct. But it’s marketing. Directed at the traditional M crowd who get into a lather thinking the RF is going away. This is Leica telling them the traditional RF M is safe. It wasn’t marketed to you. Leica understand how important their existing customer base is more than any other brand. Lots of their commentary is for the loyal fan base so they feel like things are’t going to change to radically.

Frankly your understanding of how the Leica users have influenced the brand is quite poor. The users are loud and Leica is still small enough to react. The first one I am aware of was the M5. A fine camera but a radical new design. Letters were sent and the M6 looks like the M3 again. Same for the excellent M (type 240). The user base not only forced a change back to the M3 body shape they also made Leica revert to the old naming system. The Monochrom’s happened because of calls from M owners. Same for the M-D cameras and now the M-EV line. The Sl 601 released with an adaptor for R lenses available because of many calls for a camera for the vast wardrobes of R lenses.

And now we have the SL3-P. SL users are asking Leica for a *fast* camera. Over and over and over again. It’s almost the only topic on LuF for the SL3. Leica don’t even make lenses for it, really. The 100-400 isn’t a fast super tele.

I started the poll on LuF, *would you buy an evf only M*. It went for dozens of pages with hundreds of votes. Then came the official Leica poll. A year later we’re all at the camera launch. Now we get occasional emails from Leica asking for our opinion on things from gear to the UI. The LuF user base beta test firmware and make suggestions. A lucky few try new cameras.

Leica is partly driven by their users. Always has been.

Frankly, as a non Leica user and a UI skeptic, why are you here? If it’s to try and learn what makes us tick then, great. But it seems your just around to push others down.

Gordon



Jul 08, 2026 at 05:21 PM
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Today I learned that SL users value the experience of lugging around 750g f/2 primes without aperture rings. They call it "Leica user experience". Oh... and that VCR power button conveniently reminding you that at some point in human history the 1990s actually happened.

The menus? Yes, the menus and the box it came in! The two critically important objects you interact for about two hours after receiving a camera, only to never see them again.

The SL cameras have something going for them. It surely isn't the specs, but their owners aren't great at articulating what that is. Yes, yes, making
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Those 750g primes are the best set of photography based primes on the market. Lot’s of companies make great lenses but not a matched set like the SL APO’s. Mocking that is like mocking Otus lenses or the Nikon Plena. Fortunately L mount has MANY 50mm options if you don’t want a larger lens.

If you need two hours in a menu it’s failed. Or you (collective you) have. Not everyone want encyclopaedic menus. For many people less is more. Do you not get that other people are allowed to have different priorities to you? Why mock them? It’s not hurting you if someone us a Leica APO l;ens or a SL3-P.

The internet was invented so a few nerds could share ideas chat and build a community. It just got hijacked by losers who hide behind keyboards mocking others in order to hide their own inadequacies.

And cat pics…

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Jul 08, 2026 at 05:50 PM
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Of course, you never know how satisfied you’ll be with something until you’ve actually tried it out. That applies regardless of whether or not you consume marketing material. In any case, when I had to switch to digital, I didn’t choose Sony because I had any particular affinity for the brand or what it stands for. I wasn’t interested in megapixels (24 would have been enough), nor a super-duper autofocus (I’d never liked AF), nor high frame rates (I’d never used continuous shooting). What mattered to me was: a design that was as classic as possible (not overly rounded
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Umm, almost everything you wrote above is about the user experience. Camera size, evf positioning, preference for certain lens sizes, etc.

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Jul 08, 2026 at 05:56 PM
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Umm, almost everything you wrote above is about the user experience. Camera size, evf positioning, preference for certain lens sizes, etc.

Gordon


A quick search on how companies market to consumers who think they are immune to marketing provides interesting reading. It is a thing. It is a personality type that is well understood and successfully marketed to...



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flash wrote:
Frankly, as a non Leica user and a UI skeptic, why are you here? If it’s to try and learn what makes us tick then, great. But it seems your just around to push others down.

Gordon


I'm not sure the desire to genuinely / earnestly learn about Leica is high on his priority list.
My prior suggestion that his proximity in Germany offers him opportunity to learn more about Leica was responded with this:

Nifty Fifty wrote:
Leica Stores make me want to vomit. You don't feel like you're in a camera shop at all, but rather in a luxury car dealership or a high-end boutique where golden calves are displayed on velvet in glass cases and sold by people who seem to have spent their lives reading brochures but taking very little photographs. Simply dreadful. Thanks, my experience with this will last until the end of my life.




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I'm visiting San Francisco for the day/night and made a stop at the Leica Store and asked to play with/demo the SL3-P with the 70-200 Leica attached. I will say that I am unequivocally impressed with what Leica has done with respect to the AF system. While the EVF definitely has a lag that is absent in cameras with stacked sensors, the AF is very snappy and responsive. The follow focus works as it should, and the camera is substantially better than the SL-2 and 2S bodies.

I would really like to try the camera with the Sigma 300-600mm f4 and will look to see if I can rent the pair for Lens Rentals. I'd like to see how it this combination handles birds in flight, and wildlife that are lurking between trees and grasses. I shoot a lot of wildlife in habitat where I use natural obstructions to frame my subjects. If the AF is capable of finding and holding onto the subject under these situations, I may consider adding the SL3-P to my bag of Nikon gear. The Sigma 300-600mm f4 is a unique enough lens that I would love to add it to my bag. When one considers that the Leica SL3-P and Sigma 300-600 f/4 (both) cost about as much as my Nikkor 400mm f2.8TC, the Leica pairing becomes a viable option for serious wildlife shooters. Acquiring the Leica would cause me to sell my Nikon gear, it would just offer me a different shooting experience with a lens that has an extremely useful zoom range.

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Jul 08, 2026 at 08:49 PM
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I now have the 300-600 in L and E mount. Compared to my A1ii, acquisition is not as fast. The Sony has a small but noticeable advantage. Once on the subject both cameras are very sticky. I haven’t really had anything to *stress* each system to its limit yet, so I’m not saying the Leica is as sticky as an A1ii. Just that for the birds in my backyard either would work. I do like that the Leica shows a subject box even when not pressing the AF/shutter button. My Sony doesn’t do this.

I can not find a way to add an artificial sound to the Leica electronic shutter. I like this on the Sony. There’s no pre-capture and you can’t configure any quick settings to buttons, which is super useful on both the A1ii and R5ii I own. Leica’s profile implementation is flawed but usable as an alternative.

If I’m in the field for wildlife or birds I’m still packing my Sony’s. But for everything else including some casual wildlife shooting the Leica will do fine. I prefer the Leica ecosystem handling and the app is excellent for getting images shared quickly. I also picked up the new Sony 100-400 f4.5GM. It’s a cracker of a lens. I can see myself taking that and a 600GM/TC combo on my next trip to Africa.

OTOH there’s no 1.4x for the Sony version of the 300-600. Viltrox’s 2x works by not reporting it’s on the lens. But with the compromises of a 2x. The Leica 1.4x works great on the L mount 300-600.

So far, I know there are better tools for the edges of performance but if I’m in the field with a SL3-P I know I can get by and get the shot, albeit with a bit more effort on my part.

Gordon



Jul 08, 2026 at 11:52 PM
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OwlsEyes wrote:
I'm visiting San Francisco for the day/night and made a stop at the Leica Store and asked to play with/demo the SL3-P with the 70-200 Leica attached. I will say that I am unequivocally impressed with what Leica has done with respect to the AF system. While the EVF definitely has a lag that is absent in cameras with stacked sensors, the AF is very snappy and responsive. The follow focus works as it should, and the camera is substantially better than the SL-2 and 2S bodies.

I would really like to try the camera with the Sigma 300-600mm f4
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Maybe this is a crazy suggestion, but what is the disadvantage of adapting the FE mount version of the 300-600 to Nikon Z? I imagine there should be some tradeoffs but I don't use either system or follow discussions about adapting FE to Z... But I'd think this could be a rental test with perhaps the need to purchase the adapter. If it works, it would negate the need to switch systems, unless you have additional reasons.

Maybe there isn't enough demand given the L mount is less popular than the 'Big 3' but from a technical standpoint it would be possible to adapt L lenses to Nikon Z and open up access to some of those awesome Leica lenses. Granted, sensor stack differences may result in some image quality compromises...



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Nifty Fifty wrote:
Leica Stores make me want to vomit. You don't feel like you're in a camera shop at all, but rather in a luxury car dealership or a high-end boutique where golden calves are displayed on velvet in glass cases and sold by people who seem to have spent their lives reading brochures but taking very little photographs. Simply dreadful. Thanks, my experience with this will last until the end of my life.


The general stereotype about camera store staff is they're all failed photographers, so why would you expect Leica Store staff to be any different?

IME, whether it's a Leica Store, a generic camera store, a car dealership, wherever, it really depends on the staff. While it has been a long time since I've visited the Munich store (over 10 years), I did buy a couple lenses from them in the early 2010s and they were helpful in expediting a repair with Leica HQ. Whenever I visited, it was always possible to kick tyres and play with gear, even for extended periods outside the store, on my own (of course they held onto my ID during that time). It was a very relaxed atmosphere with no pressure to buy or staff hovering around giving off passive-aggressive vibes that you were wasting their time.

On the contrary, my experiences in Germany during that time, dealing with regular camera store staff, was not as positive. As a non-native German speaker, the impression was the patience wasn't the same as the Leica staff who seemed more accustomed to dealing with non-Germans. Additionally, at those stores, Leica seemed an afterthought with either little stock and/or staff not really knowledgeable about the product line. It was like a night and day difference in experience, with the Leica Store being vastly superior and totally justifying, IMO, Leica's decision to open their own stores. I'm not a 'money bags' type of person and 'boutique' stores always make me apprehensive before I walk through the doors due to the often cold reception from staff who have instantly assessed my likelihood of being a worthwhile customer... So I admit I have had similar apprehension about Leica's own stores. I've read reviews where the customer experience has not been consistent in some regions, like some countries in Asia. I don't know. The only other Leica Store I have visited more than once has been LA, and each time the experience there was closely aligned with that of Munich.

Yes, the Leica Stores have customers who expect a shopping experience like a luxury car dealership or a high-end boutique while looking to add something from Leica as a lifestyle accessory. And they can be those kinds of places, if that's what you want. But at least from what I have experienced, the staff seem adept enough to adapt and cater appropriately to whatever customer type walks through the doors, to make it a welcoming experience for everyone. I mean, I have spent hours on end at the LA store and while playing with lenses, casually observed how staff interacted with other customers. It was always positive, professional, friendly and not pretentious.



Jul 09, 2026 at 01:00 AM
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The 5 Leica flagship stores within 2 hours of me are a huge plus to my Leica ownership experience for many reasons. Great staff in each one. Valuable resources for sure.

Add to that a private Leica Botique inside a camera store about an hour away. The owners there are a fountain of knowledge. They also have one of the largest inventories of vintage Leica products in the World. Another great asset for me.

I just can't imagine a store of any kind making me want to vomit. I just don't look at the World the same way I guess.



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1bwana1 wrote:
The 5 Leica flagship stores within 2 hours of me are a huge plus to my Leica ownership experience for many reasons. Great staff in each one. Valuable resources for sure.

Add to that a private Leica Botique inside a camera store about an hour away. The owners there are a fountain of knowledge. They also have one of the largest inventories of vintage Leica products in the World. Another great asset for me.

I just can't imagine a store of any kind making me want to vomit. I just don't look at the World the same way I guess.


+1

When I go to a Leica store, I often go for the exhibition and to browse photography books. Also, the many vintage lenses and cameras displayed make me feel like I am in a museum. Kudos to Leica stores for regularly organizing events that promote local and international talent as well as courses and walkabouts for customers.



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That was a good one!😅


Hitchin's razor: "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."



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Leica stores are fantastic. Where else can you play with gear while the staff make you a coffee? Or another camera store with a gallery space dedicated to photography? Australia current exhibition is for all of us that have been on a recent Leica Academie trip. One image each in the exhibition space in Sydney and Melbourne. A celebration of their customers and the photography is excellent. There’s six new dedicated photography exhibitions per year all free. Every body is welcome. They arrange Leica trips all over the world led by acclaimed photographers. I spent a day with Steve McCurry a few months ago. I’ve done trips with world press award winners and these people become friends. What other camera store comes close? B&H? I don’t know because I’m not in the US.

Product launches are next level. They have models and shooting spaces to try the new thing. Plenty of demo gear for you to try and a bunch of ambassadors and testers to ask questions from. They ply you with nice wine and canapés and let you play with expensive toys.

Not to mention Leica overall have the largest photo gallery in the world in combined space, headed by Mrs Kauffman. K and I make a point of visiting any Leica store we can on our travels, just for the galleries. We’re not buying and we still get offered coffee and water and all the time we want. A great experience.

Yes it’s a luxury sales experience. It’s the same if I go to Omega or A Lange & Sohne here. (Or Breitling in London, which was just fantastic) I’m just not sure what anyone would object to it? That’s entirely bizarre to me. Most camera stores you barely can get the bored staff to acknowledge you. I guess some people like that.

And yes, it’s marketing. But as a Leica shooter you’re part of a big club. And it’s part of the experience. We are a tribal species. Leica understand this and they happily play into that. But we get something out of it too. I now have many good friends I met at a Leica sore or on a Leica trip.

Gordon



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Leica stores are fantastic. Where else can you play with gear while the staff make you a coffee? Or another camera store with a gallery space dedicated to photography? Australia current exhibition is for all of us that have been on a recent Leica Academie trip. One image each in the exhibition space in Sydney and Melbourne. A celebration of their customers and the photography is excellent. There’s six new dedicated photography exhibitions per year all free. Every body is welcome. They arrange Leica trips all over the world led by acclaimed photographers. I spent a day with Steve McCurry
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Agree with all you have said about how valuable the leica stores are to the Leica ownership experience. Many store which have on site techs will clean and inspect your equipment for you for free. That includes senso cleaning. A great way to spend an afternoon. Go to the Leica store, engage with the staff, have some refreshments, cruise the amazing Galleries, browse the books and magazines, see all the new equipment and accessories. Give your equipment to them for inspection and cleaning. While they are doing that, choose a body and lens, and go out and shoot for a couple of hours. No other brand offers that kind of experience.

Yes, it is marketing as is all customer service in all business. Leica does focus on this. In fact at the store management level Leica hires more based on resumes that show a deep understanding of high end customer service, and customer engagement. There are plenty of other staff in the stores that are camera and photography experts and enthusiasts.

I don't understand how this kind of customer engagement can make one want to "vomit". If great experiences is marketing, please market to me all you want. I will reward you by engaging back, and from time to time buying some things.

My guess is that if our friend went into a Leica store, and had the attitude he expresses here about Leica, they would be happy that he felt too ill to stay longer. They are too busy setting sales records and being successful for those kinds of engagements.



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Yes, people will pay for the "experience". I can choose to eat a hamburger or a steak ... or down some protein drinks or protein pills. Each offers a variant means of getting protein. I can cook the meat myself or I can go to a restaurant ... and the restaurant can vary by a country mile.

But, the experience of being waited on at a fast food chain vs. a 5 Star restaurant vs. self-serving in the backyard are different experiences, and have different costs associated with delivery of that experience.

One can get a cat from the shelter, visit the zoo or go on safari. Different experiences.

Driving a clunker, a Camry or a Ferrari. Different experiences.

From a very pragmatic perspective, one may see the range of experience options as being excessive, vs. the mere need of food / fuel or transportation.

Cutting your steak with a dull, ragged sawtooth blade is a different experience from using a finely honed blade. One is an exercise that induces aggravation. The other can be a joy in precision. Two different experiences. Cumulative aggravation vs. cumulative joy ... hmmm, think about the value proposition of that for a moment.

People embrace and make choices about what it is they want to experience and how they want to embrace such choices. I'm not keen on the vernacular of "vomit" about the Leica thing ... but, I will acknowledge that for those who are aspiring to be the most pragmatic perspective as possible, they are intentionally making a decision that restricts the range of experience they are willing to undertake. No problem, that's everyone's prerogative.

Some folks will NEVER spend the $$$ to go on a Safari. They see it as an exploitive excess. That's fine. I get that some folks will NEVER spend the $$$ on Leica. They see it as a pretentious excess. I get that. Ummm, I used to feel that way, too. However, after being "talked into" considering to try a Leica ... I did.

Took me a minute to get a feel for it. Wasn't an immediate thing. In my mind, I kept wondering why folks were so earnest about it. For me, there was never this ... OMG, this thing is so amazing. So, I hung in there with it. Then, came the next one, and then another lens / body, etc. Now, when I "go back" to some other things, those differences are more noticeable.

AND Yet ... I acknowledge that there are some differences that the other things have (most notably to the discussion of SL3-P improving upon those deltas), but it also cuts both ways that the Leica has some things the others do not. For Leica, it seems they are very interested in the HMI aspect of experience. In some regard, it reminds me of Apple's emphasis on certain things. This can be found across numerous product genre's (i.e. watch, clothes, cars, bicycles ... pretty much, you name it) where different manufacturer's give different levels of credence to the experience.

Wearing a burlap sackcloth is a different experience from cashmere. Personally, I'm more of a cotton / wool guy ... but, have recently learned that performance athletic wear offers a different experience when I'm on the court than my traditional cotton T's. $$$ is more. Marketing of my chosen brand is more. But, the experience (not of marketing, but actual product use) is different. Prior to being gifted some of this performance wear, I would have never bought one for myself ... owing to the (ignorance base of non-experienced) perspective that it was largely marketing and that natural fiber would breathe better.

Short answer, until I actually spent enough time wearing it, and then reverting to cotton (my former choice of preference), did I come to understand the difference in experience ... it weighs less than when a cotton T is soaking wet vs. readily evaporative. It sags less because it retains less water. And, ultimately I stay cooler, and less fatigued from the additional sweat load. If I weren't on the court for hours of play in heat, I'd not experience the diff ... iow, for regular daily wear ... the experience diff doesn't reveal itself as much. Put it through the paces, and the diff's become more evident.

Now, while I do have to save my pennies a bit to afford my next "performance" T ... well, the experience is different, and I'm willing to pay for that experience. Both will cover my blazenly white belly, so I don't blind folks. The experience of wearing athletic attire is different, and one that I poo-poo'd as excess in times past. Now, not so much, as I've come to appreciate the experience.

Bottom line ... people will pay for what they desire to experience. For Leica shooters ... while the store (not everyone has readily available access) is an experience in its own manner, the experience of shooting with Leica gear has its influence on their decision to do so. That's not something posted in a spec sheet. And, it's not something that everyone will desire / embrace. Sewing with a Bernina and sewing with an old Singer vs. a new Singer are different experiences. All can sew. But, the sewing experience of using each is different. Folks will pay for the (difference) in experience. Everyone has their own temperament for such things.

As to the SL3-P ... I'll continue to learn the Panny S1R II. If / when the time comes that I get "fed up with" certain aspects of the Panny, I'm aware that the antidote to cumulative aggravation may be found in the SL3-P. The $$$ cost of aggravation elimination may seem excessive, but the cost of lost joy may be even greater. I'll give the Panny a ride for a while, we'll see how it shakes out in the end ... but, I won't be surprised if down the road, the SL3-P is in, and the Panny is out.

We'll see.

YMMV




Jul 09, 2026 at 06:07 AM
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It seems like at least at introduction the Leica marketing is working well for the SL3-P. First batches here all sold out, and good size waiting lists.

I guess we should congratulate Leica on this one. I think it bodes well for L mount lenses new and used going forward.



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It seems like at least at introduction the Leica marketing is working well for the SL3-P. First batches here all sold out, and good size waiting lists.

I guess we should congratulate Leica on this one. I think it bodes well for L mount lenses new and used going forward.

I doubt this is primarily about marketing success but about a product that fits the needs of customers, current and new.
It is less expensive than SL3 but offers more except a bit less resolution. It is more expensive than SL3-S, but offers considerably more resolution.



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I’ve managed to see a number of Leica storefronts, at night, when they were closed. Probably going back to Korea, where I saw a store in Busan just off Haeundae Beach. To support the luxury image, a Ferrari dealership was the next shop over. Reading this page of posts makes the store a must see. I’ll take anti-nausea medicine prior to entering, just in case my mind wonders to class struggle and the rich suppressing the poor and rich people mindlessly buying Leicas and Ferraris. Oh.. the horror..just watched Apocalypse Now.


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