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What decides which lens coatings Nikon Z lenses get?

  
 
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p.1 #1 · What decides which lens coatings Nikon Z lenses get?


I was curious if anyone knows what determines which Nikon Z lenses get which coatings.

I always kind of assumed it came down to price. But then why do lenses like the 24-200mm ($950) have ARNEO and Fluorine coatings, yet the 180-600mm($2,200) only have Fluorine coating, and the 28-400mm ($1,450) has neither?

It's not like the 180-600mm has another zoom in the Z lineup, it's competing against, so maybe there is a technical reason at play too?



May 18, 2026 at 05:05 PM
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p.1 #2 · What decides which lens coatings Nikon Z lenses get?


ARNEO is for vertical light flares, and it's possible that Nikon made the calculation that most people shooting the 180-600 would have the hood on for both protection and setting the camera down.


May 18, 2026 at 05:07 PM
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p.1 #3 · What decides which lens coatings Nikon Z lenses get?


RoamingScott wrote:
ARNEO is for vertical light flares, and it's possible that Nikon made the calculation that most people shooting the 180-600 would have the hood on for both protection and setting the camera down.


That's a good point, the 180-600mm definitely has a good hood, the 28-400 hood is definitely lacking, though.

My understanding is that lenses with ARNEO coat also use Nano Crystal Coating, which is multi directional. For example, on the 24-200 page, it says:


ARNEO Coat
An anti-reflective coating developed by Nikon and used in conjunction with Nano Crystal Coat to further reduce ghost and flare effects caused by incident light entering the lens vertically.

https://www.nikonusa.com/p/nikkor-z-24-200mm-f4-63-vr/20092/overview

So I think we are losing more then just vertical flair control.



May 18, 2026 at 05:37 PM
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p.1 #4 · What decides which lens coatings Nikon Z lenses get?


ARNEO Coat—An anti-reflective coating developed by Nikon and used in conjunction with Nano Crystal Coat to further reduce ghost and flair effects caused by incident light entering the lens vertically. This allows for the outstandingly clear capture of images even when a light source is located within the frame.

The hood does nothing for that. Flare is the correct word here. They don't know proper word usage on the Nikon site.

EBH



May 18, 2026 at 06:31 PM
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p.1 #5 · What decides which lens coatings Nikon Z lenses get?


EB-1 wrote:
ARNEO Coat—An anti-reflective coating developed by Nikon and used in conjunction with Nano Crystal Coat to further reduce ghost and flair effects caused by incident light entering the lens vertically. This allows for the outstandingly clear capture of images even when a light source is located within the frame.

The hood does nothing for that. Flare is the correct word here. They don't know proper word usage on the Nikon site.

EBH


It's also strange that the description says "used in conjunction with Nano Crystal Coat" but the 24-200mm does not have Nano Crystal Coat listed as a separate spec like most other lenses do.



May 18, 2026 at 07:25 PM
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p.1 #6 · What decides which lens coatings Nikon Z lenses get?


The lens's market positioning and the number of independent elements are critical factors: the higher the number of glass-to-air surfaces, the greater the risk of image degradation caused by incident light. Naturally, various coating configurations will undergo rigorous empirical performance testing before production begins.

What remains a mystery to me, however, is the decision making process regarding whether or not to apply a fluorine coating to the front elements. It is worth noting that the f/1.2 S series lacks any fluorine coating, despite being the flagship range outside of the super telephoto lineup.



May 19, 2026 at 01:22 AM
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p.1 #7 · What decides which lens coatings Nikon Z lenses get?


Presumably nano and arneo coatings are more expensive to apply than SIC (they may also be fragile so only used on internal elements) and so they are only used when there is a tangible benefit to image quality (with that specific lens), and the price is factored into account. Sometimes flare can look good.

Fluorine coating can help keep the front element clean but if rough cleaning is used, it can be more fragile than the standard coating. Damage to fluorine coating has been reported by lensrentals.



May 19, 2026 at 02:38 AM
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p.1 #8 · What decides which lens coatings Nikon Z lenses get?


I have never seen a technically sound comparison demonstrating the advantages—if any—of nano and ARNEO coatings. Nikon has NEVER shown images taken with the same lens but with different coatings (for example, SIC + nano/ARNEO versus SIC alone) that could confirm their claims. I get the impression that with porous nanostructured coatings, production costs are lower compared to physical vapor deposition (PVD) of multiple oxide layers, each of which requires monitoring for thickness, uniformity, and composition.
I own Nikkor lenses (with and without nanocoatings) and Zeiss T* lenses, and I can’t tell which ones are better in terms of light transmission, ghosting, and flare. The Zeiss lenses remain better than the Nikkor ones, in my humble opinion, and I don’t think it depends solely on the anti-reflective (AR) coatings.
About T* AR coatings, here is a good technical paper:
https://lenspire.zeiss.com/photo/app/uploads/2022/02/technical-article-about-the-reduction-of-reflections-for-camera-lenses.pdf

I bet coating selection is largely determined by manufacturing costs.



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p.1 #9 · What decides which lens coatings Nikon Z lenses get?


I think the fluorine may come down to where and what conditions Nikon envisions the lens being used. Maybe they see the 1.2 primes as being used in studio and good weather conditions and they see the super tele’s as being used in rough conditions.

They do sometimes put Nano on outer elements. I had the repair manual for one of the PC-E tilt shifts I was working on and it made a big deal of the rear element being Nano coated and very easily damaged. It instructed the tech not to clean. It gave some specific instructions if it was absolutely necessary to be cleaned.

Clearly adding coatings can be expensive so they are only applying them where they are needed to fix a particular problem. And that probably means “good enough” for their design goals. They are not applying their full arsenal at every lens element. Would a lens be better if more coatings were applied? Maybe.



May 19, 2026 at 10:31 AM
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p.1 #10 · What decides which lens coatings Nikon Z lenses get?


jpelt78 wrote:
It instructed the tech not to clean. It gave some specific instructions if it was absolutely necessary to be cleaned.


Nanocoatings are mesoporous materials; basic material science tells us that pores inside materials are a fundamental cause of structural weakness because they act as stress concentrators and driving sites for crack propagation. In particular, brittle materials (like those employed in AR coatings) lack plastic deformation mechanisms to absorb energy and - consequently - the stress at the edge of a pore can be significantly higher than the applied load. Pores transform intrinsically brittle materials into even more brittle materials ...



May 19, 2026 at 10:40 AM
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p.1 #11 · What decides which lens coatings Nikon Z lenses get?


Nano coating is only used on specific surfaces (typically one surface in a objective) to address a specific issue. When the first nano coated lenses came out Nikon did in fact show the effect of having it and not having it on a particular lens and the difference was obvious in that example. There are cases where it is less obvious, of course.

Here is one example where the difference on the girl's face and other parts seems clear enough:

https://www.nikon.com/company/technology/stories/2002_nanocrystalcoat/

Here is another side by side example:

https://www.nikonimgsupport.com/eu/BV_article?articleNo=000044684&configured=1&lang=en_GB&sfdcIFrameOrigin=null

In fact I owned a lot of ZF, ZF.2 and Milvus Zeiss lenses but sold them all as I prefer the more gentle rendering of Nikon lenses, after having used both for a long time. But this is of course subjective and everyone is free to choose according to their preferences and within their means.



May 19, 2026 at 04:12 PM
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p.1 #12 · What decides which lens coatings Nikon Z lenses get?


As I have written in my previous post "I have never seen a technically sound comparison demonstrating the advantages—if any—of nano and ARNEO coatings"
Actually, Nikon compares an image "Taken using a lens without Nano Crystal Coat" to an image "Taken using a lens with Nano Crystal Coat". They do not say which lens was used for each picture. Why didn’t they make that clear? They most likely used two different lenses, therefore the comparison is meaningless.
When Zeiss technicians discuss the effect of AR coatings in the pdf I linked, they show pictures taken with two 21/2.8 Distagon lenses: one sample without AR coatings and the other one with T* coatings.
Again, as I have written above, "Nikon has NEVER shown images taken with the same lens but with different coatings (for example, SIC + nano/ARNEO versus SIC alone) ..."
Please do not confuse advertising with technology, nor promotional web pages for one’s own products with sound technical reports.



May 20, 2026 at 12:23 AM
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p.1 #13 · What decides which lens coatings Nikon Z lenses get?


Ripolini wrote:
I have never seen a technically sound comparison demonstrating the advantages—if any—of nano and ARNEO coatings.
[...]
I own Nikkor lenses (with and without nanocoatings) and Zeiss T* lenses, and I can’t tell which ones are better in terms of light transmission, ghosting, and flare. The Zeiss lenses remain better than the Nikkor ones, in my humble opinion, and I don’t think it depends solely on the anti-reflective (AR) coatings.
About T* AR coatings, here is a good technical paper:
https://lenspire.zeiss.com/photo/app/uploads/2022/02/technical-article-about-the-reduction-of-reflections-for-camera-lenses.pdf


Tbh, no brand discloses technical data about their coatings, not even Leica. It’s not exactly the philosopher’s stone; these coatings are essentially blends of similar elements in varying proportions, differing only in cost and application complexity. I own Nikon’s 50mm f/1.2 S and 35mm f/1.2 S; the 35mm features the ARNEO coating and, despite having more glass-to-air surfaces than the 50mm, it offers cinematic-level resistance to flare and ghosting, far superior to the 50mm, which already performs remarkably well. While it’s certainly not a scientific test, the results are impressive. I also own many ZEISS lenses, and while the T* coating is excellent, some stray light can still occur.

jpelt78 wrote:
I think the fluorine may come down to where and what conditions Nikon envisions the lens being used. Maybe they see the 1.2 primes as being used in studio and good weather conditions and they see the super tele’s as being used in rough conditions.


Typically, you'd use a fast 35mm for reportage and street photography in low-light conditions or indoor settings, exactly the scenarios Nikon highlights in its f/1.2 marketing. That’s why, to me, this choice remains baffling.






May 20, 2026 at 01:43 AM
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p.1 #14 · What decides which lens coatings Nikon Z lenses get?


Ripolini wrote:
As I have written in my previous post "I have never seen a technically sound comparison demonstrating the advantages—if any—of nano and ARNEO coatings"
Actually, Nikon compares an image "Taken using a lens without Nano Crystal Coat" to an image "Taken using a lens with Nano Crystal Coat". They do not say which lens was used for each picture. Why didn’t they make that clear? They most likely used two different lenses, therefore the comparison is meaningless.
When Zeiss technicians discuss the effect of AR coatings in the pdf I linked, they show pictures taken with two 21/2.8 Distagon lenses: one sample
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While they do not explicitly say the lens is the same with and without nano coating, they have obviously internally made such comparisons, to develop such technology would be quite pointless if it were not useful in real-world contexts, since there are many drawbacks (cost, and lack of ruggedness). They have also published images of the same lens showing the ghosting of non-nano-coated images vs. the nano-coated one but over 20 years after the publication I was not able to find this pair of images. I think the images I did link to are representative of the impact of nano coating in real-world lenses and reflect my own experience with several dozen of both nano and SIC-only coated Nikkors of various focal lengths and apertures. The images presented in those two Nikon web pages, are, in my view, an accurate reflection of the real-world impact of nano-coating.

I've owned many lenses from Nikon before they introduced nano coating and after, and there is a clear difference in how the images are rendered, there is more contrast, and less flare/ghosting in the nano coated lenses, and the color rendering is also different.

I do not particularly like Zeiss lenses because they render shadows as pitch black very quickly and if I need to pull those shadows up there will be a lot of noise due to the total lack of photons. As I said I prefer the nano-coated Nikkors because they render shadows with a more gentle way, and I find this gives me more options in high-contrast scenarios for how I want the images to be rendered, and with less high-spatial-frequency noise. When photographing people in extreme low light in indoor situations, I've felt the results from the Zeiss lenses to be harsh and after many years of trying, I was not able to like them, in general. The 135 mm f/2 Apo Sonnar, however, I did like quite a bit as a lens but because of the build of these lenses requiring quite a bit of torque to focus, I prefer the lighter manual focusing action available on Nikon lenses, and of course, the possibility to use autofocus. However, image rendering wise I did like the 135 mm f/2 Apo Sonnar. The Zeiss lenses in general resulted in detailed, highly colorful images but because of the shadow noise issue and overall feel of the images I ended up preferring Nikon lenses. I totally get that this is an aesthetic preference not shared by everyone, but that's why it is so nice to have so many options on the market for lenses.



May 20, 2026 at 06:30 AM
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p.1 #15 · What decides which lens coatings Nikon Z lenses get?


1) It goes without saying that Nikon has conducted its own tests. But I have no basis for saying that a a single layer of mesoporous silica costs more than multiple layers of metal oxides produced by PVD. On the contrary, based on my decades of experience in vapour deposited (VD) coatings, I actually have some doubts about the higher cost. In fact, it might even cost less. So the advantage might be limited to production costs (which is fine from Nikon shareholders’ perspective), but not in terms of overall performance.

2) As a scientist, I only believe data that has been obtained under controlled and well-specified experimental conditions. The rest is just talk (subjective opinions are simply a confirmation bias of the lens owners) or advertising.

Everyone is free to believe what they want. Even that the Earth is flat; but don’t come here trying to convince me or others without showing solid evidence.



May 20, 2026 at 11:48 AM
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p.1 #16 · What decides which lens coatings Nikon Z lenses get?


Ripolini wrote:
...based on my decades of experience in vapour deposited (VD) coatings, I actually have some doubts about the higher cost. In fact, it might even cost less. So the advantage might be limited to production costs....


Just asked ChatGPT the question: "are mesoporous silica antireflective coatings cheaper than PVD/CVD antireflective coatings based on oxides?"

Here is the answer:

Cost comparison
Mesoporous silica coatings are generally cheaper to produce per area for large-scale applications because:
No expensive vacuum systems are needed.
Low-cost precursors.
High throughput possible with solution-based techniques.
PVD/CVD oxide coatings are more expensive due to:
High capital cost of vacuum deposition equipment.
Slower deposition rates.
Multi-layer stacks increase material and process costs.
However: If you need high mechanical durability, scratch resistance, or extreme thermal stability, PVD/CVD may justify the higher cost.

Summary
Cost per unit area: Mesoporous silica < PVD/CVD oxide AR coatings.
Performance per refractive index: Mesoporous silica can achieve lower indices with single layers.
Durability and stability: PVD/CVD coatings are superior.
So for large-scale, low-cost optical AR coatings, mesoporous silica is usually the cheaper option. If you’re making precision optics or lenses needing extreme durability, dense PVD/CVD oxides may still dominate despite higher cost.


AI essentially confirms what I had predicted based on my experience and knowledge.
Bye,
R.



May 22, 2026 at 05:01 AM







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