Abuttolph wrote:
I did not test using a test chart or brick wall type of evaluation. However, I shot several images in a few different scenes. I focused using the rangefinder, a few tests with the lens in the infinity position, and using the Visoflex. In all cases, there were enough things (trees) in the scenes to see what was happening with the focus. There was not a single image in which the spot that I focused on was sharp. Actually, the only places that approached being almost acceptably sharp were on the outer parts of the frame and were closer to the camera than the focus point. In some images, nothing at all was in focus.
The problem seems worse than decentering as not one single image was sharp anywhere in the central area of the frame. I suspect that one of the lens elements is defective....Show more →
Hi Abuttolph,
That's why in my post above, i said i thought it was me ... I wasn't getting anything sharp in center. You are right it's more than decentered. Since I got from Bh Photo it was simple to return immediately.
Oh, and this was not rangefinder focused. It was on the Leica evi.
Joe D
tunisia wrote:
Hi Abuttolph,
That's why in my post above, i said i thought it was me ... I wasn't getting anything sharp in center. You are right it's more than decentered. Since I got from Bh Photo it was simple to return immediately.
Oh, and this was not rangefinder focused. It was on the Leica evi.
Joe D
Your experience mirrors mine very well. I too thought it might have been me at first and then took another round of shots after the first batch in which I made sure to use various focusing methods and the infinity lock. B&H is indeed terrific for returns. It is too bad that Thypoch is having such QC issues. Hopefully, they can get things straightened out reasonably soon.
Additional note: I went back and re-looked at images that I shot with the Eureka 50 yesterday. The areas of the frame that are sharpest are definitely inconsistent in position within the frame. Sometimes, the sharpest is on the outer left and right, other times on one side or another - never where I focused. This is making me wonder if there is some play in the alignment of the lens when it is extended and locked. When extended and not locked, it is pretty easy to tilt the extended shaft of the lens a little bit. It might be that lens never gets aligned quite right when it gets locked down, causing the inconsistencies. Perhaps there is more than one problem - alignment and element defect?
I was looking forward quite a bit for that lens but after having seen a few reviews of it, I don’t quite get it. The rendering is too modern for my taste like their Eureka series is, I made my peace with the fact that it was more so for the form factor of the lens but the Ksana series is marketed around some special sauce coatings but there is barely any flares because they are too efficient like the new single coating Voigtländer lenses. I dont’ get it, that one is also not for me.
I do like Thypoch but I find that their more characterful lenses are still the Simera-C line.
Sonnar-7 wrote:
I was looking forward quite a bit for that lens but after having seen a few reviews of it, I don’t quite get it. The rendering is too modern for my taste like their Eureka series is, I made my peace with the fact that it was more so for the form factor of the lens but the Ksana series is marketed around some special sauce coatings but there is barely any flares because they are too efficient like the new single coating Voigtländer lenses. I dont’ get it, that one is also not for me.
I do like Thypoch but I find that their more characterful lenses are still the Simera-C line....Show more →
I don't have an M-mount digital camera but if I did I would appreciate an affordable lens with a modern rendering that wasn't Leica. So they are competing with the likes of the Voightlander offerings?
damonnomonon wrote:
I don't have an M-mount digital camera but if I did I would appreciate an affordable lens with a modern rendering that wasn't Leica. So they are competing with the likes of the Voightlander offerings?
Sure and there are quite a few of those now among all the new brands, and some people do look for something well corrected in that one as I have seen, but the lens is marketed under the label of a new series that empathize something different or at least the coatings that are or should be reminiscent of an other era, but to my eyes, the Simera M, the Eureka and the Ksana do share a modern rendering and I’m confused about it with the Ksana line addition now.
I think that the 21mm f3.5 does succeed to offer what was advertised though.
Let’s wait for more from Fred’s testing.
I'm really not trying to dogpile here, I'd love for Fred to receive a new copy which shows better performance on an M body.
However, if they cannot send a known good copy to a reviewer what hope do the rest of us have? I know review samples often get passed around but Fred's lens looks new.
bdickers wrote:
I was not at all impressed with anything about the lens.
After reading the review with the brilliant pictures form BasitanK @phillipreeve I was very impressed by this 35mm 8-Elements M-Lens. Never saw any comparable 35mm M-lens that's more appealing for me.
Especially the Bokeh is really great ans smooth. My actual Ultron 2.0 35 VM is a lot more harsch and I'm going to exchange it soon!
The LLL 8e has focus shift. My copy has it and it appears your copy does too. That is what I see in the LLL crops. I wasn't able to view the second crop collage because the hosting site was insistent about enabling ads.
IMO it would be more interesting to see bokeh comparisons because it's in this area that these various 35mm lenses will show greater differences.
rscheffler wrote:
The LLL 8e has focus shift. My copy has it and it appears your copy does too. That is what I see in the LLL crops. I wasn't able to view the second crop collage because the hosting site was insistent about enabling ads.
IMO it would be more interesting to see bokeh comparisons because it's in this area that these various 35mm lenses will show greater differences.
Ah yes, you are correct about the LLL. My lack of experience of doing this type of test shots is showing.
I commend all the lens reviewers who have to do this tedious task all the time.
