p.2 #1 · GFX100RF or X-T5 for user experience (compared to GFX 100s)
gdanmitchell wrote:
I once made a 40” wide print of a XT5 shot using the 27mm f2.8 at f5.6 just to see how it would turn out… and it actually looked quite good.
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These days IBIS barely adds any bulk or weight to cameras — the mechanism has become quite small. I have never heard of anyone having a real world problem with heart generated by I IS.
“Bag full of lenses” sounds pretty dire, doesn’t it? ;-)
For street and travel I carry three: 14mm f2.8, 27mm f2.8, 50mm f2. Tiny load.
I sense that you REALLY want to own a RF, and that there is some motivated reasoning going on here. ;-)...Show more →
I currently own a GFX100rf after trying the Nikon Zf/z5ii and the x100vi when it first came out. The IBIS in the x100vi is indeed small but that is mostly due to smaller sensors requiring smaller movements to correct them. A larger IBIS unit for medium format takes quite a lot more space than a ASPC one and would add much more than a few millimeters larger body to support them and would generate a substantial amount of heat. I could see some OIS potentially being in any future GFX100rf releases but IBIS is mostly useful for telephoto focal lengths and reducing any sort of movement from the focal plane shutter. If Fujifilm could find a way to add stabilization to future GFX100rf's without adding bulk or heat to the camera that would be fantastic and I would be one of the sheep preordering. I just don't think that's realistic.
More power to anyone who wants to carry a trio of lenses around daily. I prefer to move through the world as weightless and unabated as possible. I have no problem losing resolution to cropping when it's a 100mp but I don't want to be slowed down by switching lenses and carrying a shoulder bag of weight that I may not use. ILCs are pretty mediocre at capturing the spontaneous moments of life that I use the GFX100rf for.
p.2 #2 · GFX100RF or X-T5 for user experience (compared to GFX 100s)
JustAHouseCat wrote:
I currently own a GFX100rf after trying the Nikon Zf/z5ii and the x100vi when it first came out. The IBIS in the x100vi is indeed small but that is mostly due to smaller sensors requiring smaller movements to correct them. A larger IBIS unit for medium format takes quite a lot more space than a ASPC one and would add much more than a few millimeters larger body to support them and would generate a substantial amount of heat. I could see some OIS potentially being in any future GFX100rf releases but IBIS is mostly useful for telephoto focal lengths and reducing any sort of movement from the focal plane shutter. If Fujifilm could find a way to add stabilization to future GFX100rf's without adding bulk or heat to the camera that would be fantastic and I would be one of the sheep preordering. I just don't think that's realistic.
More power to anyone who wants to carry a trio of lenses around daily. I prefer to move through the world as weightless and unabated as possible. I have no problem losing resolution to cropping when it's a 100mp but I don't want to be slowed down by switching lenses and carrying a shoulder bag of weight that I may not use. ILCs are pretty mediocre at capturing the spontaneous moments of life that I use the GFX100rf for.
Not a heat issue, but size, yes. But look at how they miniaturized IBIS from the original GFX 100 to the current generation.
Not sure OIS would fit in a pancake lens like the RF has.
A small f/4 standard zoom on an ILC is far more versatile than the RF, though perhaps not as discrete and as fun to use. Results with the ILC would not be “mediocre” though using one may make you feel that way personally, which might affect your creative drive.
p.2 #3 · GFX100RF or X-T5 for user experience (compared to GFX 100s)
Something else regarding the 100RF:
The 100RF’s 35mm lens has a 20cm minimum focus distance. Even with its wide angle of view, it has a magnification of 0.29x, right behind the GF 120 at 0.5x and ahead of the GF 250 at 0.22x.
To put this in perspective, the Leica Q3 only focuses down to 30cm in non-macro mode.
p.2 #4 · GFX100RF or X-T5 for user experience (compared to GFX 100s)
highdesertmesa wrote:
Not a heat issue, but size, yes. But look at how they miniaturized IBIS from the original GFX 100 to the current generation.
Not sure OIS would fit in a pancake lens like the RF has.
A small f/4 standard zoom on an ILC is far more versatile than the RF, though perhaps not as discrete and as fun to use. Results with the ILC would not be “mediocre” though using one may make you feel that way personally, which might affect your creative drive.
No it definitely creates heat that both effects sensor read noise as well as just general comfort. The x100vi gets pretty hot if you are using a lot of stabilization and I don't really know what you get out of it in a camera like that.
I also just disagree about zoom lenses. Modern ones are sharp but they still render very flat, low micro contrast images. I would rather just zoom with my feet and have a lens with better IQ and less weight. They make sense to me in that 85mm+ telephoto range IMO.
p.2 #5 · GFX100RF or X-T5 for user experience (compared to GFX 100s)
JustAHouseCat wrote:
No it definitely creates heat that both effects sensor read noise as well as just general comfort. The x100vi gets pretty hot if you are using a lot of stabilization and I don't really know what you get out of it in a camera like that.
I also just disagree about zoom lenses. Modern ones are sharp but they still render very flat, low micro contrast images. I would rather just zoom with my feet and have a lens with better IQ and less weight. They make sense to me in that 85mm+ telephoto range IMO.
The X100V gets just as warm and in the same place as the 100VI. I felt no new heat due to adding IBIS to the 100VI.
I don’t think we need to rehash primes versus zooms here, but I’d hardly call zoom lens results “mediocre” — that’s hyperbole.
p.2 #7 · GFX100RF or X-T5 for user experience (compared to GFX 100s)
For a fun camera, I would look for a completely different experience. With what you have, that would be a rangefinder, or a leaf shutter if you use strobes, or tilt-and-shift lenses, or old exotic film cameras. Try them all, buy used, and find what suits you until the next wave of GAS hits.I tried the X-T4, X-T5, X-H2, and X100V, and while all of them are nice, I never made peace with their autofocus issues. There was also something a bit off with the 40 MP sensor, but I did not have it long enough to understand what it was. I was happy with the GFX 50S II except for its overall speed, and I am happy now with the GFX 100S II. For me personally it has the best ergonomics of them all. I use the Z8, and I mostly like it except for its size. I am trying the Q3, and while it produces fine images, it is not really compact, it is odd, and I do not really like it, except for the leaf shutter when used with strobes. Most Sony cameras are small enough and fast enough to replace both the Z8 and a compact camera, but I will probably hold on to my Z8 a while longer. I also use a film TLR and rangefinder cameras when I want a different experience.
p.2 #8 · GFX100RF or X-T5 for user experience (compared to GFX 100s)
I don’t “carry a trio of lenses around daily.”
My day to day norm is to carry the XT5 with only the 27mm f2.8 pancake.
For travel, when I want a bit more flexibility/adaptability, I bring along the 14mm and 50mm lenses. I may carry one or both of them in addition to the 27mm or leave them behind as circumstances warrant.
I am not “burdened” by this. I travel extensively, including internationally, for weeks or months with only carry-on luggage — a overhead bin size backpack plus a small shoulder bag.
Or, in the case of my current travels (writing from northern Scotland) there are landscape options. So I brought just one prime, the 27mm, plus two zooms more suitable to the potential subjects.
In other words, this approach lets me choose anything from a tiny system (XT5 with only the tiny pancake) to something more adaptable and flexible as photographic circumstances warrant.
JustAHouseCat wrote:
I currently own a GFX100rf after trying the Nikon Zf/z5ii and the x100vi when it first came out. The IBIS in the x100vi is indeed small but that is mostly due to smaller sensors requiring smaller movements to correct them. A larger IBIS unit for medium format takes quite a lot more space than a ASPC one and would add much more than a few millimeters larger body to support them and would generate a substantial amount of heat. I could see some OIS potentially being in any future GFX100rf releases but IBIS is mostly useful for telephoto focal lengths and reducing any sort of movement from the focal plane shutter. If Fujifilm could find a way to add stabilization to future GFX100rf's without adding bulk or heat to the camera that would be fantastic and I would be one of the sheep preordering. I just don't think that's realistic.
More power to anyone who wants to carry a trio of lenses around daily. I prefer to move through the world as weightless and unabated as possible. I have no problem losing resolution to cropping when it's a 100mp but I don't want to be slowed down by switching lenses and carrying a shoulder bag of weight that I may not use. ILCs are pretty mediocre at capturing the spontaneous moments of life that I use the GFX100rf for.
p.2 #9 · GFX100RF or X-T5 for user experience (compared to GFX 100s)
RoamingScott wrote:
My VI definitely got hotter than my V. I used them side by side once I noticed it to confirm.
Interesting. I would occasionally feel the VI get warm on the back right side by my palm, but it never felt hot (just like the V). I did keep all the wireless functions on my VI turned off, so maybe that helped.
If there is a difference, it’s difficult to attribute it to just IBIS as someone suggested since they have different processors.
p.2 #10 · GFX100RF or X-T5 for user experience (compared to GFX 100s)
Little surprised at only one has mention of the Leica Q for a compact EDC solution.
Had a 50R. Miss the controls. Found out quickly that I need IBIS. Upgraded to GFX100S. Never really use it. Takes great images of course. Not much fun to use. Do not like the controls at all.
Really like the X-T5 but it mostly sits at home as I tend to grab the A1 II first for an ILC.
Really enjoy the experience of the Q2 Reporter. Lovely to shoot. Dig the overall vibe. Happy with the IQ. Easy as a daily carry.
I love the idea of the 100RF but the wide F4 is a showstopper for me.
Have fun with the decision process - that in itself is a lot of fun (for me at least)
p.2 #11 · GFX100RF or X-T5 for user experience (compared to GFX 100s)
highdesertmesa wrote:
Interesting. I would occasionally feel the VI get warm on the back right side by my palm, but it never felt hot (just like the V). I did keep all the wireless functions on my VI turned off, so maybe that helped.
If there is a difference, it’s difficult to attribute it to just IBIS as someone suggested since they have different processors.
Ibis is one of the few parts with mechanical motion inside the camera and one of the largest power draws. It's definitely responsible for extra heat. If you need it or want it though the trade is worth it. I just don't think a camera like the x100vi or the gfx100rf really do much shooting that makes good use of it.
p.2 #12 · GFX100RF or X-T5 for user experience (compared to GFX 100s)
JustAHouseCat wrote:
Ibis is one of the few parts with mechanical motion inside the camera and one of the largest power draws. It's definitely responsible for extra heat. If you need it or want it though the trade is worth it. I just don't think a camera like the x100vi or the gfx100rf really do much shooting that makes good use of it.
IBIS is engineered as a system, which includes heat sinks and other cooling measures. They don't just add the IBIS mech and dust off their hands and say done. In any case, I never noticed a difference – both ran a little warm in the palm on occasion – neither ever felt hot.
p.2 #14 · GFX100RF or X-T5 for user experience (compared to GFX 100s)
gdanmitchell wrote:
I never have noticed the XT5 getting hot.
X-T5 runs cool as a cucumber. I regret selling mine.
I desperately wish Fujifilm would make an ICL GFX with the exact same top dial layout. Don't care whether ISO dial is separate like the X-T5 or combined with the shutter speed dial like on the 100VI/100RF.
p.2 #15 · GFX100RF or X-T5 for user experience (compared to GFX 100s)
highdesertmesa wrote:
IBIS is engineered as a system, which includes heat sinks and other cooling measures. They don't just add the IBIS mech and dust off their hands and say done. In any case, I never noticed a difference – both ran a little warm in the palm on occasion – neither ever felt hot.
Yep that's what would add the bulk to a gfx100rf.
p.2 #16 · GFX100RF or X-T5 for user experience (compared to GFX 100s)
highdesertmesa wrote:
X-T5 runs cool as a cucumber. I regret selling mine.
I desperately wish Fujifilm would make an ICL GFX with the exact same top dial layout. Don't care whether ISO dial is separate like the X-T5 or combined with the shutter speed dial like on the 100VI/100RF.
X-T5 controls on a GFX would be my dream GFX. I am slowly paring down my GFX kit as it just sits these days. A body with X-T style controls is the only thing that would get me back into it.
Upgraded to GFX100S. Never really use it. Takes great images of course. Not much fun to use. Do not like the controls at all.