p.2 #1 · Canon 24-70 EF II on R6 III : AF noise is a deal breaker for video?
Steve Spencer wrote:
I don't know if it is sad. It is what it is. I think the RF 24-70 f/2.8L is a pretty non-optimal lens for run and gun anyway. It is big and heavy for that and it looks like Canon may be addressing this issue with a much better for that application 20-70 VCM lens that is rumored. That too would likely be too big for my tastes for such an application, but for people who can put up with a lens of such size for run and gun they may have an option before too long. Right now your options are the 16-28 f/2.8 STM, the 28-70 f/2.8 STM if either of lose focal length ranges work.. A fixed focal length VCM that works for your shoot and if all else fails an external mic with the RF 24-70 f/2.8L. So people are not without options. Depending on what you are shooting, in my view several of those options are likely better than trying to do run and gun with the RF 24-70 f/2.8L and an on-camera mic. I am a little puzzled why anyone would think that lens was going to be a great solution for that application.
Older EF lenses are not going to be a great solution either. Can they be a workable one? Again that depends on your needs, but I would continue to recommend an external mic as one of the easiest ways to make such a lens work....Show more →
I hate to break it to you, but the 24-70 f/2.8 lens is the most sought after run and gun lens out there for video, which is the only reason I own it. I'm a prime guy and own all the VCM's but the zoom lens is more useful in many applications for a solo run and gun shooter. It is sad because the most popular run and gun lens made by canon makes clicking noises as you've seen posted here, while other manufacturers leases are silent.
When you say you are puzzled why you think the 24-70 is a great solution for this application you are simply raising your hand and saying "I'm clueless".
p.2 #2 · Canon 24-70 EF II on R6 III : AF noise is a deal breaker for video?
Steve Spencer wrote:
Perhaps you don't know, but AI is the ultimate "yes man." Asking AI about something after you have posted on an issue pretty much guarantees that AI is going to reformulate what you posted and say what you posted is true in a pretty authoritative way. Basically, it treats your post as the most credible source, so to a large extent you are asking it, "What did I post on this issue?" It is not even close to an independent source. It is weighting heavily what you said without considering you might be wrong in writing its response. If you don't realize this is how AI works, you should understand it more before you rely on it. It can very much be a way to convince yourself of anything you kind of believe is absolutely true and in this way hardent people's suppositions as if they are facts....Show more →
I know how AI works as it's a big search engine and it will provide the sources which you can then drill down into to research yourself. I'm not relying on it as I own the lens and confirm along with many others it clicks when shooting video in the application that has been described above. I only posted it for the canon apologists to reference.
It's clear now that you are clueless on the following:
1. What one of the most popular lenses is for run and gun (24-70 f/2.8)
2. How AI works because you seem to lack the knowledge that you can drill down on the source links provided to determine if they are legit or not, and then back that up with separate google searches on your own.
Apr 13, 2026 at 09:00 AM
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p.2 #3 · Canon 24-70 EF II on R6 III : AF noise is a deal breaker for video?
artsupreme wrote:
I know how AI works as it's a big search engine and it will provide the sources which you can then drill down into to research yourself. I'm not relying on it as I own the lens and confirm along with many others it clicks when shooting video in the application that has been described above. I only posted it for the canon apologists to reference.
It's clear now that you are clueless on the following:
1. What one of the most popular lenses is for run and gun (24-70 f/2.8)
2. How AI works because you seem to lack the knowledge that you can drill down on the source links provided to determine if they are legit or not, and then back that up with separate google searches on your own.
What is clear now is that you want to make personal attacks and call me clueless. Not cool and against the forum rules. Stop it.
And I am not clueless about how AI works and in fact in my job, I am pretty up on all the latest research about how it is different from a simple search engine that let's you drill down. If you think that is what it is doing then you need to learn more about how A! hardens beliefs and attitudes and consider how it might only be providing you with source for what it thinks you already believe. It is not close to unbiased in providing information. Instead it provides you information that it think will tell you what you already believe.
Apr 13, 2026 at 09:22 AM
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p.2 #4 · Canon 24-70 EF II on R6 III : AF noise is a deal breaker for video?
artsupreme wrote:
I hate to break it to you, but the 24-70 f/2.8 lens is the most sought after run and gun lens out there for video, which is the only reason I own it. I'm a prime guy and own all the VCM's but the zoom lens is more useful in many applications for a solo run and gun shooter. It is sad because the most popular run and gun lens made by canon makes clicking noises as you've seen posted here, while other manufacturers leases are silent.
When you say you are puzzled why you think the 24-70 is a great solution for this application you are simply raising your hand and saying "I'm clueless". ...Show more →
No I have a different opinion about what I like for run and gun. I never said anything about how common that opinion is. Calling people clueless for having a different opinion is rude and you should stop it.
p.2 #5 · Canon 24-70 EF II on R6 III : AF noise is a deal breaker for video?
Steve Spencer wrote:
What is clear now is that you want to make personal attacks and call me clueless. Not cool and against the forum rules. Stop it.
And I am not clueless about how AI works and in fact in my job, I am pretty up on all the latest research about how it is different from a simple search engine that let's you drill down. If you think that is what it is doing then you need to learn more about how A! hardens beliefs and attitudes and consider how it might only be providing you with source for what it thinks you already believe. It is not close to unbiased in providing information. Instead it provides you information that it think will tell you what you already believe....Show more →
Go back and read your post again to me about not understanding how AI works and say I shouldn't rely on it, and then understand you entered a discussion where I noted my 24-70 makes clicking noises previously, which means I'm not relying on anything but my own lens, and I also previously posted a video that exposes the exact issue we are talking about.
And I suggest you do yourself a big favor to educate yourself on run and gun video. Go enter this into YouTube's search field -"24-70 for run and gun video?". Are you going to come back and say all those videos are fake too and only trying to prove what I already believe?? Or, are there just hundreds of professionals out there who believe the 24-70 is the ultimate run and gun lens, the lens you said you are puzzled as to why anyone would use it for that application.
Apr 13, 2026 at 09:30 AM
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p.2 #6 · Canon 24-70 EF II on R6 III : AF noise is a deal breaker for video?
artsupreme wrote:
Go back and read your post again to me about not understanding how AI works and say I shouldn't rely on it, and then understand you entered a discussion where I noted my 24-70 makes clicking noises previously, which means I'm not relying on anything but my own lens, and I also previously posted a video that exposes the exact issue we are talking about.
And I suggest you do yourself a big favor to educate yourself on run and gun video. Go enter this into YouTube's search field -"24-70 for run and gun video?". Are you going to come back and say all those videos are fake too and only trying to prove what I already believe?? Or, are there just hundreds of professionals out there who believe the 24-70 is the ultimate run and gun lens, the lens you said you are puzzled as to why anyone would use it for that application....Show more →
I do understand that I entered a discussion in which you reference a search you did in AI, that based on the way AI works is likely very biased. That was all I was saying. Citing AI as if it is anything other than a highly biased source doesn't really make sense. It is highly biased and tells you what you already belive especially if you have expressed that view on line. It really is not much different than saying, I asked myself and I came to the same conclusion I originally had. I am fine with people citing AI, they should just realize the answers it provides are much more an expression of their opinion and nothing like an unbiased search for information.
I don't need to educate myself on run and gun video. It is not nor will it ever be the dominant way I shoot video, but I do understand it and how I do and would use it in the future. I should be able to talk about that on this forum without being told I am clueless. I was simply talking about my preferences and opinions which I can and will express even if they disagree with yours and I would simply ask that you listen, refrain from saying I am clueless, and if you have a difference of opinion simply note our disagreement without having to suggest that you are right and I am wrong.
p.2 #7 · Canon 24-70 EF II on R6 III : AF noise is a deal breaker for video?
Steve Spencer wrote:
I do understand that I entered a discussion in which you reference a search you did in AI, that based on the way AI works is likely very biased. That was all I was saying. Citing AI as if it is anything other than a highly biased source doesn't really make sense. It is highly biased and tells you what you already belive especially if you have expressed that view on line. It really is not much different than saying, I asked myself and I came to the same conclusion I originally had. I am fine with people citing AI, they should just realize the answers it provides are much more an expression of their opinion and nothing like an unbiased search for information.
I don't need to educate myself on run and gun video. It is not nor will it ever be the dominant way I shoot video, but I do understand it and how I do and would use it in the future. I should be able to talk about that on this forum without being told I am clueless. I was simply talking about my preferences and opinions which I can and will express even if they disagree with yours and I would simply ask that you listen, refrain from saying I am clueless, and if you have a difference of opinion simply note our disagreement without having to suggest that you are right and I am wrong....Show more →
When I have a problem with something (could be anything not just camera gear) I search on the web to see if others experienced the same thing and look for solutions. That's all that was done in this situation, to verify if there were sources of the other discussions documenting this problem. The other web discussions are not fake and made up, and they are not biased, they are real discussions. Maybe you use AI differently than others, but I use it as a search engine and I make sure to have it list the sources for me so I can go read it myself to see if it's a legit source/conversation, or if it's from some fake source that I would not trust. I do not just enter an inquiry and stop with the response it gives me, I dig deeper to perform my own research.
In this situation the clicking was discovered on my expensive lens, I performed a search, source links were identified, and I went to read them to confirmed it's a known issue. There is nothing biased about it, nor were the AI results biased because I'm not trying to backup an opinion here, we are simply trying to identify if others were having the same issue. With that said, if you don't want to be called clueless then don't insinuate that one is clueless about AI and tell them they shouldn't rely on it, when it has absolutely nothing to do with this situation. Especially after I've already confirmed the issue with my own lens previously in the thread, and provided a video and links showing/discussing the problem - which shows I'm clearly not relying on AI to confirm my RF 24-70 clicks during video.
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p.2 #8 · Canon 24-70 EF II on R6 III : AF noise is a deal breaker for video?
artsupreme wrote:
When I have a problem with something (could be anything not just camera gear) I search on the web to see if others experienced the same thing and look for solutions. That's all that was done in this situation, to verify if there were sources of the other discussions documenting this problem. The other web discussions are not fake and made up, and they are not biased, they are real discussions. Maybe you use AI differently than others, but I use it as a search engine and I make sure to have it list the sources for me so I can go read it myself to see if it's a legit source/conversation, or if it's from some fake source that I would not trust. I do not just enter an inquiry and stop with the response it gives me, I dig deeper to perform my own research.
In this situation the clicking was discovered on my expensive lens, I performed a search, source links were identified, and I went to read them to confirmed it's a known issue. There is nothing biased about it, nor were the AI results biased because I'm not trying to backup an opinion here, we are simply trying to identify if others were having the same issue. With that said, if you don't want to be called clueless then don't insinuate that one is clueless about AI and tell them they shouldn't rely on it, when it has absolutely nothing to do with this situation. Especially after I've already confirmed the issue with my own lens previously in the thread, and provided a video and links showing/discussing the problem - which shows I'm clearly not relying on AI to confirm my RF 24-70 clicks during video.
I did not insinuate that you were clueless. I talked about what AI does and said absolutely nothing about you. AI can provide you discussions of an issue, but if you have posted that you think your lens does something do realize that it won't list sources for people who don't experience this issue. It will only list sources for people who do. In that way, it confirms your expressed opinion and does not provide evidence against it. Don't think that list of sources is equally likely to contain information that challenges your view as supports your view. Don't think that list of sources will be equally likely to report people who have a similar experience and people who do not. In that way, the list of sources will be biased. That is the way AI works.
We need to learn AI seeks to validate our beliefs not challenge them and preferentially provides sources that support our views and does not provide sources that challenge our views.
p.2 #9 · Canon 24-70 EF II on R6 III : AF noise is a deal breaker for video?
Steve Spencer wrote:
I did not insinuate that you were clueless. I talked about what AI does and said absolutely nothing about you. AI can provide you discussions of an issue, but if you have posted that you think your lens does something do realize that it won't list sources for people who don't experience this issue. It will only list sources for people who do. In that way, it confirms your expressed opinion and does not provide evidence against it. Don't think that list of sources is equally likely to contain information that challenges your view as supports your view. Don't think that list of sources will be equally likely to report people who have a similar experience and people who do not. In that way, the list of sources will be biased. That is the way AI works.
We need to learn AI seeks to validate our beliefs not challenge them and preferentially provides sources that support our views and does not provide sources that challenge our views....Show more →
There is nothing subjective about a lens clicking, it is fact. I did not "think" my lens was clicking, it was clicking after I confirmed with multiple tests, and I had not posted about it previously to my initial google search. So again, AI would have nothing to base my opinion off of considering I had never posted about it previously. It could only do that after my most recent posts, but it's already been previously confirmed by myself and others who don't "think" their lens is doing something, so it could be used to find additional discussions on the topic. You are having trouble understanding that a lens making clicking noise when used a certain way is not an opinion, it is fact. And you are having trouble understanding the AI can be used for research in more than one way, along with using the reverse search "find me discussions about the RF 24-70 being silent when focusing"...
I'm done bickering with someone who should have never stepped into this discussion who thinks its possible to use external mics at all times, who wonders why anyone would ever use a 24-70 for run and gun, and who thinks AI can only be used in a way that it pulls up biased results. No thanks bud, we are light years away from each other.
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p.2 #10 · Canon 24-70 EF II on R6 III : AF noise is a deal breaker for video?
artsupreme wrote:
There is nothing subjective about a lens clicking, it is fact. I did not "think" my lens was clicking, it was clicking after I confirmed with multiple tests, and I had not posted about it previously to my initial google search. So again, AI would have nothing to base my opinion off of considering I had never posted about it previously. It could only do that after my most recent posts, but it's already been previously confirmed by myself and others who don't "think" their lens is doing something, so it could be used to find additional discussions on the topic. You are having trouble understanding that a lens making clicking noise when used a certain way is not an opinion, it is fact. And you are having trouble understanding the AI can be used for research in more than one way, along with using the reverse search "find me discussions about the RF 24-70 being silent when focusing"...
I'm done bickering with someone who should have never stepped into this discussion who thinks its possible to use external mics at all times, who wonders why anyone would ever use a 24-70 for run and gun, and who thinks AI can only be used in a way that it pulls up biased results. No thanks bud, we are light years away from each other. ...Show more →
You are putting words in my mouth that I did not say. I do not think it is possible to use off camera mics at all times. Instead I tried to offer that can sometimes be useful. I also don't wonder why anyone would ever use the RF 24-70 f/2.8L for run and gun, instead I expressed my opinion that I wouldn't use it for that purpose because I would find it too heavy. I was expressing my preference and said nothing about anyone else, and I do think AI pulls up very biased results. Search engines have done that for a long time already but AI pulls up even more biased results. Do you really think that a vacine skeptic and proponent will get the same result if they ask AI, "Do vacines cause autism?" Continue to think that AI is giving you unbiased results if you like, but I will continue to warn people about the biases built into it. Feel free to ignore me or hide me if you like.
p.2 #11 · Canon 24-70 EF II on R6 III : AF noise is a deal breaker for video?
artsupreme wrote:
We are talking about using an onboard mic in a silent room or setting while running and gunning. I did not say room full of babies by the way, I said a silent room or setting with one baby which can be silent. You are comparing a completely different application with your camera on a tripod with external mics. Two completely separate shooting methods. I have no issues with off board external mics and no I can't hear the clicking with my ear either, but when using an onboard mic it picks it up. Just because your application with off board mics doesn't expose the problem doesn't mean it's not a problem for others who can't always use an off board mic due to movement, tight spaces, etc....Show more →
If read more carefully, you might have realized I was writing about both situations—outboard audio with boom stands and shoe mounted mics. 30% plus of the performance videos on my YouTube channel use a shoe mounted shotgun mic (not able to string cables or use booms). For stage music I usually mount a stereo shotgun mic in the shoe, usually the Sennheiser MKE 440. In high RFI areas, I use the Canon DM-E1D in stereo mode. The direct digital connection to the multi-function shoe effectively nixes RFI from nearby radio stations and smartphones. Doesn't sound as good as the MKE 440 but is extremely clean in RFI prone urban centers. Neither mic picks up any sounds from my RF 24-70L.
p.2 #12 · Canon 24-70 EF II on R6 III : AF noise is a deal breaker for video?
Gochugogi wrote:
If read more carefully, you might have realized I was writing about both situations—outboard audio with boom stands and shoe mounted mics. 30% plus of the performance videos on my YouTube channel use a shoe mounted shotgun mic (not able to string cables or use booms). For stage music I usually mount a stereo shotgun mic in the shoe, usually the Sennheiser MKE 440. In high RFI areas, I use the Canon DM-E1D in stereo mode. The direct digital connection to the multi-function shoe effectively nixes RFI from nearby radio stations and smartphones. Doesn't sound as good as the MKE 440 but is extremely clean in RFI prone urban centers. Neither mic picks up any sounds from my RF 24-70L.
I'm glad it works for your application. It works for me in many applications as well with different mics and shooting conditions. But as per the video and other discussions posted previously, unfortunately there are shooting scenarios where you are limited and the clicking noises that are picked up by the mic. If you do not shoot in these conditions or have to use the onboard mic occasionally then you don't have to worry about the clicking. Which one of your videos is shot handheld while moving around the silent studio tracking a moving subject (servo/IS on) while using the onboard mic? If you can post an example and match what the other OP who posted here once did who you also argued with, then I can drive over to Canon and use it as an example and ask why my lens clicks in these situations:
If you do post, please include the screenshots from your editing program showing you are using the RF 24-70 IS and onboard mic as I would love to show Canon this and tell them my lens is defective. I'm sure the OP to that thread would also love to see it so he can get replacements on his two expensive lenses that show the clicking in his videos.
p.2 #14 · Canon 24-70 EF II on R6 III : AF noise is a deal breaker for video?
EB-1 wrote:
Is this thread about the noises of the Canon 24-70 EF II or the RF 24-70/2.8 IS?
It's quite confusing as to which is noisier or both.
EBH
Thread summary:
OP started the thread as a Sony convert complaining about the noise of the EF 24-70II during video. Someone suggested taking a look at the RF 24-70. I responded and informed the OP that the RF 24-70 makes clicking noise as well and posted the link to a previous thread where a different Sony convert made a post complaining about the RF 24-70 noise during video and provided sample video footage:
Then a couple users started defending Canon and suggesting off camera mics as a solution, as if the OP or anyone else are unaware of off camera mics, or as if it's always possible to use them, and not it's not a big deal that Canon's flagship is not silent like Sony's other manufacturers. One guy who said he'd never heard a peep out of his RF 24-70 was the same guy who commented in that link above who stated he did not own the lens, and always records on tripods with servo disabled. When I reminded him of this comment he made, he then said he actually bought his lens at some point and changed the way he shoots everything since that comment was made. I posted other sources of discussions about this clicking and also followed up with a quick AI summary, and one user said I should not rely on AI to solidify my opinion that my lens was clicking. I informed him that I confirmed my lens was clicking long before I made the inquiry in AI to post here, and it is not an opinion if the lens click or not, it's fact.
The other user continued to defend the RF 24-70 stating his mics do not pickup any noise while continuing to ignore the shooting conditions/method under which the original complaint was made, and ignoring the videos posted in the link above as if they are fake. It appears to be more of a Canon apologist thing based on his interaction with first OP who reported this.
The facts are, the RF-24-70 can be used for video in most scenarios while using a shotgun or off camera mic and it won't pickup the clicking if there is a normal noise floor. However, there are scenarios where you are shooting/tracking in a silent scene where the mic picks up the clicking (especially onboard mic) from the lens (just like the video posted above), and it's very annoying for a $2600 premium lens. Canon apologists will continue to defend the lens because they don't use it in the application where the problem presents itself.
Apr 14, 2026 at 10:38 AM
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p.2 #15 · Canon 24-70 EF II on R6 III : AF noise is a deal breaker for video?
artsupreme wrote:
Thread summary:
OP started the thread as a Sony convert complaining about the noise of the EF 24-70II during video. Someone suggested taking a look at the RF 24-70. I responded and informed the OP that the RF 24-70 makes clicking noise as well and posted the link to a previous thread where a different Sony convert made a post complaining about the RF 24-70 noise during video and provided sample video footage:
Then a couple users started defending Canon and suggesting off camera mics as a solution, as if the OP or anyone else are unaware of off camera mics, or as if it's always possible to use them, and not it's not a big deal that Canon's flagship is not silent like Sony's other manufacturers. One guy who said he'd never heard a peep out of his RF 24-70 was the same guy who commented in that link above who stated he did not own the lens, and always records on tripods with servo disabled. When I reminded him of this comment he made, he then said he actually bought his lens at some point and changed the way he shoots everything since that comment was made. I posted other sources of discussions about this clicking and also followed up with a quick AI summary, and one user said I should not rely on AI to solidify my opinion that my lens was clicking. I informed him that I confirmed my lens was clicking long before I made the inquiry in AI to post here, and it is not an opinion if the lens click or not, it's fact.
The other user continued to defend the RF 24-70 stating his mics do not pickup any noise while continuing to ignore the shooting conditions/method under which the original complaint was made, and ignoring the videos posted in the link above as if they are fake. It appears to be more of a Canon apologist thing based on his interaction with first OP who reported this.
The facts are, the RF-24-70 can be used for video in most scenarios while using a shotgun or off camera mic and it won't pickup the clicking if there is a normal noise floor. However, there are scenarios where you are shooting/tracking in a silent scene where the mic picks up the clicking (especially onboard mic) from the lens (just like the video posted above), and it's very annoying for a $2600 premium lens. Canon apologists will continue to defend the lens because they don't use it in the application where the problem presents itself....Show more →
Wow, that is your summary!
Let's try the OP was worried that the EF 24-70 would be too noisy in video. Someone suggested the RF 24-70. You pointed out that you had problems with clicking sounds with that lens too. Others reported they had less problems with that lens.
I suggested an off camera mic as a possible work around and acknowledged it might not work for the OP and never said anything about it always being possible to use them, just that in my shooting I often find them quite useful.
You fought with me and repeatedly called me clueless and you fought with the other people trying to tell them that their perceptions must be wrong because they don't match your perceptions. You fought with me because I challenged your use of AI as an authoritative source.
Nobody was being a Canon apologist. People were reporting their own experience and that experience differs.
Now you provide a summary criticizing everyone else who commented and in my view mischaracterizing what they said. You call your perceptions facts, but do not allow that other people's perceptions could be different.
