but basically my assumption is:
Canon can make money buy selling R7II at $2500 if sufficient volume.
The question is whether there are enough people willing to pay $2500, to make it a attractive camera for most Canon users.
For it to be really attactive it would be:
39mpx APSC R7ii
sensor read speed in mid single digits (6ms like the R5II) which is a stacked BSI sensor likely
30fps
CFExpress B 1 slot and a significant buffer like 100 in craw
4k downsample 60fps
Updating software for precapture, CLOG 3 but not clog2
Liimited time at 8k video (heat issues)
[adding 1.33stop less iso capability than r5ii]
[adding iq better than using a 1.4x adapter on a full frame camera]
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p.1 #2 · Re - would you buy 39mpx, 5ms read, 30fps, CFEx
I put that I would buy at $2500, but only because that would be in my view a fantastic bargain. I had the Fuj X-H2S, which is only 26MP and has a 6ms sensor scan speed and costs $2,900, so a Canon R7 II with those specs would be a much much more capable camera for a significantly cheaper price. I can't believe Canon would offer such a camera at such a price, but if they did I would find it a very compelling option. If it was $3,500 or maybe even $4,000 which is what I think such a camera would cost, I would rather get the R5 II.
p.1 #3 · Re - would you buy 39mpx, 5ms read, 30fps, CFEx
So the real question is would you buy an r7 mkii with x sensor…
It all depends on the ISO performance, and the body ergonomics i don’t understand the point of speculating the market size of a camera and sensor that does not exists.
On apsc do you need to crop to the same extent as you do on full frame? So is 39mpx really needed if it comes at cost of high iso performance?
I need a second body and it might just end up being an r5mk2 if the new r7mk2 doesn’t match my expectations for image quality and ergonomics. Then 500 usd price difference is totally irrelevant.
Apr 11, 2026 at 02:19 AM
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p.1 #4 · Re - would you buy 39mpx, 5ms read, 30fps, CFEx
crisdesign wrote:
So the real question is would you buy an r7 mkii with x sensor…
It all depends on the ISO performance, and the body ergonomics i don’t understand the point of speculating the market size of a camera and sensor that does not exists.
On apsc do you need to crop to the same extent as you do on full frame? So is 39mpx really needed if it comes at cost of high iso performance?
I need a second body and it might just end up being an r5mk2 if the new r7mk2 doesn’t match my expectations for image quality and ergonomics. Then 500 usd price difference is totally irrelevant....Show more →
I think you can count on any APS-C camera performing at about a stop to a stop and a third worse at high ISO than FF. By that I mean IS0 3200 on the APS-C camera will have noise a lot like 6400 on a FF camera. That is the way it is on my current Canon R5 II and my Canon R7. I wouldn't expect it to be any different with the proposed cameras. 33 MP and 39 MP is not a big difference afterall.
p.1 #5 · Re - would you buy 39mpx, 5ms read, 30fps, CFEx
I am selfishly bumping this up by responding because its an interesting survey for me. Not too many responses which says something in itself. Low interest in forum or no one is interested in r7.
p.1 #6 · Re - would you buy 39mpx, 5ms read, 30fps, CFEx
I'm actually considering an R5 II. Being on somewhat of a budget, I've found that the 200-800 has renewed life for a full frame body, and I'm finding that that lens on my present R5 is doing more for me than the 100-500 on my R7 due to the higher ISO noise capability of the larger sensor.
So although I voted in favor of the 39 mpx crop under $2000, I really feel like it would depend. I don't expect any quantum leaps in noise performance so I may stick with full frame instead.
Let me add that birding is a primary use for me. Anything wide or "normal" focal length, I'm always going to go with the full frame. My R7 was my birding body for a couple of years.
p.1 #8 · Re - would you buy 39mpx, 5ms read, 30fps, CFEx
Scott Stoness wrote:
I am selfishly bumping this up by responding because its an interesting survey for me. Not too many responses which says something in itself. Low interest in forum or no one is interested in r7.
536 views and only 9 votes.
Unfortunately this forum has really died off in recent years. It used to be very active but nowadays I login to see maybe only 5-6 threads updated in the last 24hrs. We used to have a full page+ of threads that were very active. I'm not sure if it's a result of camera equipment being so great and abundant now that people don't need to come here to search for answers, or if the younger generation is just not interested in photography, or maybe life is just too hectic now, or if the other social media platforms are where the photographers are spending their time now. I guess it's probably a combination of all the above, but I wish there was more action here because I refuse to go to IG, TikTok, or FB.
As I mentioned in another thread, if there's a forum style photography community I'm unaware of that's considered hot for photo or video, please share as I would like to check it out.
p.1 #9 · Re - would you buy 39mpx, 5ms read, 30fps, CFEx
artsupreme wrote:
Unfortunately this forum has really died off in recent years. It used to be very active but nowadays I login to see maybe only 5-6 threads updated in the last 24hrs. We used to have a full page+ of threads that were very active. I'm not sure if it's a result of camera equipment being so great and abundant now that people don't need to come here to search for answers, or if the younger generation is just not interested in photography, or maybe life is just too hectic now, or if the other social media platforms are where the photographers are spending their time now. I guess it's probably a combination of all the above, but I wish there was more action here because I refuse to go to IG, TikTok, or FB.
As I mentioned in another thread, if there's a forum style photography community I'm unaware of that's considered hot for photo or video, please share as I would like to check it out....Show more →
I think a lot of it has to do with people just generally being busier in life. And there are a LOT of distractions that are not related to photography. The world is a pretty annoying place in some ways, and that takes peoples' attention away from more healthy, enjoyable hobbies like photography.
Also, photography has changed a lot. Lots of video, lots of posting on places like YouTube and such with some very quick, short comments and not a lot of thought going into them.
Several forums don't even exist any more. As far as I know, a lot of posters are no longer posting. I miss the posts of Petkal and even the sometimes controversial commentary of Guy Mancuso, who presented firmly at times (and I have just now learned that he has passed on, which saddens me a bit).
This is still a great forum, if also a very quiet one compared to the heyday. But we're still here. Sadly, POTN is no longer around - it was where I really got interested in photography (and also gear acquisition for a period of time).
p.1 #10 · Re - would you buy 39mpx, 5ms read, 30fps, CFEx
So far my R5 and R7 have performed so well that I see no need for improvement for my use. I've done a fair amount of wildlife travel with these bodies, and my current lenses, and haven't run into circumstances that a few more FPS or MP would solve. Others' needs may vary, but these bodies have a lot of life left in them and I know they will get the job done.
p.1 #11 · Re - would you buy 39mpx, 5ms read, 30fps, CFEx
Scott Stoness wrote:
I am selfishly bumping this up by responding because its an interesting survey for me. Not too many responses which says something in itself. Low interest in forum or no one is interested in r7.
536 views and only 9 votes.
When we do surveys about surveys there a few reasons for low responses. In some cases the topic just isn't interesting or perhaps the question is ambiguous or not relevant. For example some people are just not into APS-C. In many cases the right answer is none of the above or more than one. Always add those two options if you want to gain insight into the survey itself. The number of visits may include bots and duplicates so no way to know how many actual humans read and decided to answer or not.
In this case the answers are focused about a price point. Maybe I'm the only one, but a purchase decision is not about the price, but about the meeting my personal user requirements. If it meets the user requirements then I'll get it. It's a Canon, not a Leica, so the price is not going to be crazy.
p.1 #12 · Re - would you buy 39mpx, 5ms read, 30fps, CFEx
EB-1 wrote:
When we do surveys about surveys there a few reasons for low responses. In some cases the topic just isn't interesting or perhaps the question is ambiguous or not relevant. For example some people are just not into APS-C. In many cases the right answer is none of the above or more than one. Always add those two options if you want to gain insight into the survey itself. The number of visits may include bots and duplicates so no way to know how many actual humans read and decided to answer or not.
In this case the answers are focused about a price point. Maybe I'm the only one, but a purchase decision is not about the price, but about the meeting my personal user requirements. If it meets the user requirements then I'll get it. It's a Canon, not a Leica, so the price is not going to be crazy.
p.1 #13 · Re - would you buy 39mpx, 5ms read, 30fps, CFEx
Tom_W wrote:
I think a lot of it has to do with people just generally being busier in life. And there are a LOT of distractions that are not related to photography. The world is a pretty annoying place in some ways, and that takes peoples' attention away from more healthy, enjoyable hobbies like photography.
Also, photography has changed a lot. Lots of video, lots of posting on places like YouTube and such with some very quick, short comments and not a lot of thought going into them.
Several forums don't even exist any more. As far as I know, a lot of posters are no longer posting. I miss the posts of Petkal and even the sometimes controversial commentary of Guy Mancuso, who presented firmly at times (and I have just now learned that he has passed on, which saddens me a bit).
This is still a great forum, if also a very quiet one compared to the heyday. But we're still here. Sadly, POTN is no longer around - it was where I really got interested in photography (and also gear acquisition for a period of time)....Show more →
I am worried that this forum is declining in interest. Maybe because it attracts Canon users who maybe are an older crowd, who post less. Or maybe camera users are using AI or other places to get their answers.
Interesting that Sony forum seems to get way more posts. Younger crowd?
Or maybe its just that Canon has not annouced anything interesting lately. R5ii and R6iii have been out for awhile.
Or it could just be busy people are saying - the rumour is May, just wait for it?
p.1 #14 · Re - would you buy 39mpx, 5ms read, 30fps, CFEx
Well, to be fair, I slipped away for a while, posting only sporadically. But I was very busy - retiring, de-cluttering, and moving take a lot of time. Easing back into it now. I think a lot of people go through these time periods where they don't get too involved in one activity or another.
p.1 #16 · Re - would you buy 39mpx, 5ms read, 30fps, CFEx
Higher end cameras like this should have dual CF. Otherwise, when shooting something important, there’s no real speed advantage between dual SD (like the R7) and a CF + SD setup.
When not shooting something important, does the extra speed from a CF card matter that much?
p.1 #17 · Re - would you buy 39mpx, 5ms read, 30fps, CFEx
Scott Stoness wrote:
39mpx APSC R7ii
When you are asking for 39MP on APSC for $2500, you probably presume that such a camera will produce a higher quality image than the R6ii / R6iii ($2700) at 24MP FF
However AFAIK the 24MP FF is going to out-do the 39MP APSC in real life shooting conditions.
Think about it this way, even a "perfect" lens at f/7.1 or darker is unable to produce 45MP of resolution (FF) or 17.5MP (APSC) because diffraction has already set in on such a sensor at f/6.6!
This means, even if you have that 39MP apsc sensor, at f/7.1 you cant record more than 17.5MP of actual resolution regardless of how good your lens is!
p.1 #18 · Re - would you buy 39mpx, 5ms read, 30fps, CFEx
aCuria wrote:
Higher end cameras like this should have dual CF. Otherwise, when shooting something important, there’s no real speed advantage between dual SD (like the R7) and a CF + SD setup.
When not shooting something important, does the extra speed from a CF card matter that much?
A combination of CFexpress and SD can work for many users and situations and has some benefits. In situations where the SD card write speed limits burst shooting, the secondary card can be used to store JPG files and in that case the slowing down should be minimal. If the situation does not require intensive burst shooting, raw files can be stored on both cards.
SD cards can be useful because sometimes photographers have to deliver images on site and a CFexpress card reader might not be at hand, and the client might not even know what CFexpress is. Many laptops and desktop computers have built-in SD card readers. CFexpress cards can be expensive to just give away to deliver the files. An SD card slot in the camera can also reduce the cost of transitioning to a new camera when the photographer does not yet have CFexpress cards.
p.1 #19 · Re - would you buy 39mpx, 5ms read, 30fps, CFEx
aCuria wrote:
When you are asking for 39MP on APSC for $2500, you probably presume that such a camera will produce a higher quality image than the R6ii / R6iii ($2700) at 24MP FF
However AFAIK the 24MP FF is going to out-do the 39MP APSC in real life shooting conditions.
Think about it this way, even a "perfect" lens at f/7.1 or darker is unable to produce 45MP of resolution (FF) or 17.5MP (APSC) because diffraction has already set in on such a sensor at f/6.6!
This means, even if you have that 39MP apsc sensor, at f/7.1 you cant record more than 17.5MP of actual resolution regardless of how good your lens is! ...Show more →
There is no sharp boundary beyond which increasing the pixel count produces no improvement in image quality. Diffraction does reduce the MTF at mid to small apertures, but it's still possible to get some improvement by increasing the pixel count. Increasing the pixel count might increase the noise (certainly it does so at the pixel level, but not necessarily at the image level) and this will in practice limit the detail that can be obtained, but in bright light there should still be good detail at f/8 and while f/11 would be less sharp than f/8 it would probably still be a tiny bit sharper on a 39 MP APS-C than with a lower pixel density camera. Personally with 45 MP I've never felt constrained by diffraction and often shoot at f/11 or f/13 in the studio where there is plenty of light and I need to get most of a head reasonably sharp. Yes, these are not the sharpest apertures but it doesn't mean the images fall off a cliff.
This doesn't mean I would be on the market for a 39 MP APS-C camera. I am happy with 45 MP full-frame and if my subject is not defined well enough by that, then I am not close enough or there is not enough light. However, there may be people who do want every bit of detail they can get from their lens, for bird photography and other similar subjects.
p.1 #20 · Re - would you buy 39mpx, 5ms read, 30fps, CFEx
ilkka_nissila wrote:
A combination of CFexpress and SD can work for many users and situations and has some benefits. In situations where the SD card write speed limits burst shooting, the secondary card can be used to store JPG files and in that case the slowing down should be minimal. If the situation does not require intensive burst shooting, raw files can be stored on both cards.
SD cards can be useful because sometimes photographers have to deliver images on site and a CFexpress card reader might not be at hand, and the client might not even know what CFexpress is. Many laptops and desktop computers have built-in SD card readers. CFexpress cards can be expensive to just give away to deliver the files. An SD card slot in the camera can also reduce the cost of transitioning to a new camera when the photographer does not yet have CFexpress cards....Show more →
You can use the secondary card for JPEG-only storage, but if the RAW card fails, you’re still in a bad spot.
I agree the SD slot is useful for the reasons mentioned, but on an action-oriented camera, speed outweighs the benefits of lower transition cost or not needing a card reader.
It’s also entirely possible to implement card slots that support both SD and CF cards.
This will let you choose between using dual SD and dual CF cards on the camera.
