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What, exactly, is the advantage of the focus by wire system of modern lenses vs the insanely useful and mechanically graceful AF/MF clutch design that Nikon had at the end of the AF-S G line? My only guess is less moving parts in the lens.


The explanation I was given when I started attending demos for work is that mechanically coupling would defeat the speed and accuracy gains of their floating focusing groups. The reason they can't all have clutch mechanisms and linear focusing tuned to a printed distance scale on all lenses is because of cost (they're all cheap bastards).



Mar 28, 2026 at 11:10 PM
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I would think modern designs are focus by wire due to the goal of fast auto focus. But I think its unfortunate that nobody tries to improve the manual focus by wire experience. I don't see why lenses can't be focus by wire but retain the same feel of a true manual focus when using them that way. I suspect nobody is trying that hard because the manual focus market is pretty small.
I will be interesting to see how camera/lens companies deal with support as the electronic parts get older.



Mar 28, 2026 at 11:15 PM
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I like my AF gear, though I am just a few years in with AF back in my personal kit after a long hiatus. There's no doubt it's opened up types of photography (insects and reptiles, mostly) for which I never had the MF reflexes or stability in framing unless they were still. And it certainly didn't hurt that Sony produced the highest performing and lowest weight 300/2.8 to date. That lens changed my perspective on what I wanted as a wildlife hiking companion. Also, I have no problem with letting the 907x take over the monotonous task of focus stacking landscapes.

Still, it's not the most used or most valued kit. My personal photographic life is primarily ruled by manual lenses, a few modern, a few from this century, and a bunch of vintage, mostly Minolta. That's the kit that gets me the most excited about going out to capture what I see.



Mar 29, 2026 at 02:19 AM
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It is a bit of mixed bag.

How many of you are using lenses dating to before, say, 1987? I’ll bet there are a few out there, but not many.

Why 1987? That’s when the still-quite-viable EF system was introduced. That’s basically four decades ago. EF lenses still work just fine on the most modern Canon R bodies, albeit with adapters.

Will the current RF series last that long? No way to know, but certainly these lenses seem designed to the same kind of standards as the EF system.

To the extent that more modern lenses provide increased functionality, the balance between features and long term durability can swing either way. If you are, for example, an architecture or landscape photographer whose mode is to put the camera on a tripod and do everything manually, fully manual lenses can be a fine option. (I use them this way at times.)

On the other hand, if you photograph subjects where speed and automation arguably make possible sort of photographs that were virtually impossible with older manual gear (sports, wildlife, a lot of street photography) the fact that the gear may last fewer decades (but still decade!) may seem less significant. (Some of this old-process work is quite nice.)

Unlike old photography, it ain’t black and white…

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A possibly-related aside: We seem to be in one of the periodic “retro” periods as tastes vacillate back and forth between “retro is better!” and “modern is better!”

I’ve had work in a particular show from time to time for over a decade. I have a piece in it again this year, and I was at the official opening last night. This year, looking at the photographic work that was included, I was somewhat shocked by how much of it was monochrome (my piece is, too, though a modern pigment print) and also using old processes — silver prints, silver palladium, and similar. A decade ago there might have been (but wasn’t always) a single piece done in those ways.

You might always say that it au courante to be old school… for now. :-)

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Regarding the general movement to use techniques and tools from an earlier era, I wondered how many great photographers (or painters, musicians, etc.) today are known specifically for their dedication to using tools that were chosen because they were not modern. I can’t think of very many. (I happens in music a big. Mozart was inspired by his “discovery” of Bach’s polyphony. Today, some music of Argo Pärt and others does reflect some concepts from a very early time.) But mostly, in their own eras, it seems that most great, memorable artists were using tools, techniques, and materials that were modern in the context of their time, and not too many were doing the opposite.





Mar 29, 2026 at 10:14 AM
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How many of you are using lenses dating to before, say, 1987? I’ll bet there are a few out there, but not many.


I use older Canon FD and Canon FL lenses, as well as a couple of speciality lenses for UV photography such as the Nikon 105/F4.5 UV/IR and Pentax Ultra-Achromatic-Takumar 85mm/F4.5


On the other hand, if you photograph subjects where speed and automation arguably make possible sort of photographs that were virtually impossible with older manual gear (sports, wildlife, a lot of street photography) the fact that the gear may last fewer decades (but still decade!) may seem less significant. (Some of this old-process work is quite nice.)


On the rare occasion I will but if I know in advance that I will be shooting action AF lenses is the best option for situation. Though it is a good feeling when I only have only MF lenses with me that day and an unexpected opportunity arises for an action shot arise and I am lucky enough to catch it. Though that usually relies on using techniques of bygone days when there was only manual focus lenses.


A possibly-related aside: We seem to be in one of the periodic “retro” periods as tastes vacillate back and forth between “retro is better!” and “modern is better!”


I think that video has a small impact on that in that some videographers want that look of an older lens and it's imperfections and the You Tube influencers jumps at the chance to show what the lens can do in video work not to mention some Hollywood productions use the older lenses from time to time and influencers jump all over that. Using older lenses for stills have their look but not a stills shooter will approach the scene different than a videographer as one is shooting motion where the other is capturing a moment in time.


I’ve had work in a particular show from time to time for over a decade. I have a piece in it again this year, and I was at the official opening last night. This year, looking at the photographic work that was included, I was somewhat shocked by how much of it was monochrome (my piece is, too, though a modern pigment print) and also using old processes — silver prints, silver palladium, and similar. A decade ago there might have been (but wasn’t always) a single piece done in those ways.


Congrats on displaying your pieces. You have shown a lot of wonderful work here on FM. I think part of the attraction of older manual lenses is it appears different than what modern lenses often show with their clinical perfection or attempt at perfection look. Edge to edge sharpness etc. In other wards the retro look sets it aside from the multiples of clinical look that many strive for. In both cases modern and retro can produce a good image in the end it it what the photographer is trying to capture with their tool of choice.





Mar 29, 2026 at 11:39 AM
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I agree, there are more options than ever now, and mirrorless has definitely made manual focus lenses much easier to use.

That said...as you mentioned, not all sensors treat these lenses the same. The character can change depending on the sensor, especially with differences in FC and performance across the frame. What you get on a Leica body still isn't fully replicated on other systems, particularly with wider M lenses. Leica M bodies also offer a unique rangefinder shooting experience that really can't be replicated elsewhere.

Overall though, no question, it's a great time to be into manual focus glass. Sony,
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I totally agree that Leica M with its optical rangefinder is a totally different type of experience. I also think that if you want that experience, then mirrorless doesn't replicate it. For some types of shooting I still prefer that experience.

That said mirrorless provides its own experience and I have found personally I like a little bigger camera than a Leica M and especially for travel I value image stabilization to allow slow shutter speeds. When I had a Leica M system, I liked that you could get a great set of FF lenses in a small package, but for my shooting I often took a tripod for things like landscapes and architecture which negated the size advantage of Leica M. My current kit for travel, even though the camera and some of the lenses are a little bigger, is actually lighter than my old Leica M kit because I can leave the tripod at home.

I have also found that when not traveling and only bringing a lens or two I like bigger lenses that have fewer compromises for size and have a very solid build and longer focus throws, but that is just my prefence and I don't know by how many it is shared.



Mar 29, 2026 at 11:57 AM
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SGinNorcal wrote:
I would think modern designs are focus by wire due to the goal of fast auto focus. But I think its unfortunate that nobody tries to improve the manual focus by wire experience. I don't see why lenses can't be focus by wire but retain the same feel of a true manual focus when using them that way. I suspect nobody is trying that hard because the manual focus market is pretty small.
I will be interesting to see how camera/lens companies deal with support as the electronic parts get older.


Hasselblad and Olympus have a focus clutch on some of their lenses which works exceptionally well.

Gordon



Mar 29, 2026 at 02:38 PM
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Those lenses aren’t built to the same high AF standards as high end FF lenses, so they have some slack to play with.

flash wrote:
Hasselblad and Olympus have a focus clutch on some of their lenses which works exceptionally well.

Gordon




Mar 29, 2026 at 02:46 PM
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p.2 #9 · Using Manual lenses on Mirrorless


flash wrote:
Hasselblad and Olympus have a focus clutch on some of their lenses which works exceptionally well.

Gordon


Same for Pentax SMC-FA 50/2.8 and 100/2.8 1:1 Macros. They call it a 'clamp', but it's more of a soft clutch. I've owned the 50mm for many years, and it's still a favourite in the studio.



Mar 29, 2026 at 06:01 PM
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I was made aware of cross-mounting by the Stephen Gandy web site cameraquest.com way before FM existed, although it was a film-based activity. After the world's first prosumer DSLR was released (D30), I was able to experiment using the convenience of digital. I already had a large Contax RTS system with cool lenses to try, e.g. the mighty D21. This FM forum that used to be the Canon Forum was the world HQ for some crazy combinations, and it became even crazier with the 1Ds:



The EF mount was (barely) able to accept the majority of competitor lenses due to its short registration distance, but many lenses did not fit due to protruding metal bits, levers, and shields. There was quite some activity with metal files, partial disassemblies, and even replacement of the metal mount (usually the lens but sometimes on the camera side). Anyone remember Leitax?

Once the A7ii showed up, all the DSLR hassle was passé. Everything could mount on everything like a Roman orgy.





My first and only Sony lens, the FE 100/2.8 T5.6 STF GM OSS, is the main reason why I adopted the Alpha system. But then I realized MILC was the future of adaptation because Sony (at least) was supportive of any alien lens attached to the front. Halelujah! Fortunately, Nikon Z is also supportive and even more adaptable due to the shortest registration distance of all. My latest combo—thank you Viltrox—is attaching the STF to my Z6! This is hi-tech freaky and everything works from AF, image stabilization, to EXIF, and of course Smooth Transition Focus:




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rico wrote:
I was made aware of cross-mounting by the Stephen Gandy web site cameraquest.com way before FM existed, although it was a film-based activity. After the world's first prosumer DSLR was released (D30), I was able to experiment using the convenience of digital. I already had a large Contax RTS system with cool lenses to try, e.g. the mighty D21. This FM forum that used to be the Canon Forum was the world HQ for some crazy combinations, and it became even crazier with the 1Ds:

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The EF mount was (barely) able to accept the majority of competitor lenses due to its
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Pretty much the same for me. This forum used to be the go-to place for adapting lenses to DSLRs but those days are long gone. Changing this forum to "LEICA & blah blah blah" made it a 'Leica' forum, mostly about M lenses, so it was no longer an Alt lens forum.



Mar 29, 2026 at 11:16 PM
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@JohnJ I guess it was inevitable that Leica would take pole position versus all other brands in the vintage race. I do own Leitz/Leica lenses ranging from 1950s LTM, to 1960s M, supertele R, and modern M. However, there is a rich world of alternative glass in every conceivable form and format. I'm actually mining the world of Canon FL/FD where the fluorite specimens are stunning performers by any current standard, and lacking motors or capacitors, are going to keep working for a very long time.


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rico wrote:
... I guess it was inevitable that Leica would take pole position versus all other brands in the vintage race. ...


I don't really agree with that.

Rangefinders are a specialised, camera so they have their followers and that's understandable. On top of that far fewer people use Leica R.

I think there are far more lenses outside the Leica M/rangefinder world, many of which are superb lenses even by today's standard, so I don't really understand how the FM Alt group has largely become an M group.

Although there don't seem to be a lot of poor people on the FM forums, maybe that's the answer right there.



Mar 30, 2026 at 12:58 AM
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I don't really agree with that.

Rangefinders are a specialised, camera so they have their followers and that's understandable. On top of that far fewer people use Leica R.

I think there are far more lenses outside the Leica M/rangefinder world, many of which are superb lenses even by today's standard, so I don't really understand how the FM Alt group has largely become an M group.

Although there don't seem to be a lot of poor people on the FM forums, maybe that's the answer right there.


While I have a bunch of M mount lenses, these are mostly modern ones and not bought so much with special rendering in mind.

All my older lenses are Olympus OM film era lenses or the odd Pentax lenses or Olympus 4/3 lens, plus a few Contax G lenses. And I’m selling my Leica M11 and plan to use my manual lenses mostly on Canon.

Other than a few 90mm Leica lenses from past eras, I never shop for older Leica lenses. Their prices are too high for the casual use I’d buy them for.



Mar 30, 2026 at 06:21 AM
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JohnJ wrote:
I don't really agree with that.

Rangefinders are a specialised, camera so they have their followers and that's understandable. On top of that far fewer people use Leica R.

I think there are far more lenses outside the Leica M/rangefinder world, many of which are superb lenses even by today's standard, so I don't really understand how the FM Alt group has largely become an M group.

Although there don't seem to be a lot of poor people on the FM forums, maybe that's the answer right there.


I don't think it is that hard to understand. Many people like Alt lenses because you can get fast apertures at a small size, but until recently that was mostly true for Leica M mount lenses. As people tried to adapt these lenses, people realized many of the lenses worked better on Leica M cameras than mirrorless cameras. Some modified their mirrorless cameras, but others bought Leica M cameras (some did both) for their preferred lenses. As people bought Leica M cameras many liked the small size of the cameras and the rangefinder focussing. That shifted a number of shooters to Leica M--me included for a time.

There is another factor that I think is important too. This is afterall, the Fred Miranda site. Fred himself has shifted to using Leica M cameras a lot and provided wonderful reviews of Leica M mount lenses on Leica M cameras. People got to see what the cameras and lenses could do and I think that influenced many of us.

Personally, I started this thread because my journey has taken a bit of a turn. After some experience I think I like using a bit bigger camera than a Leica M, but I still like manual focus, so I am moving away from Leica M. That doesn't mean, however, that I won't still be interested in adapting some Leica M lenses to my mirrorless camera. I am sure I will be.



Mar 30, 2026 at 07:23 AM
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Steve Spencer wrote:
I don't think it is that hard to understand. Many people like Alt lenses because you can get fast apertures at a small size, but until recently that was mostly true for Leica M mount lenses. As people tried to adapt these lenses, people realized many of the lenses worked better on Leica M cameras than mirrorless cameras. Some modified their mirrorless cameras, but others bought Leica M cameras (some did both) for their preferred lenses. As people bought Leica M cameras many liked the small size of the cameras and the rangefinder focussing. That shifted a number of
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To me, it was purely the combination of a smallish camera with small lenses that lured me into Leica. The lenses came first.

Then I added Nikon because of its MF capabilities and the availability of the 6-bit TT Artisan adapter and the TechArt AF adapter.

Now that the Schoten adapter seems to work well with my Canon R5 and the M lenses I’ve so far tested it with, both Leica and Nikon cameras will be sold. I’m thinking of picking up a Canon R8 to have a smallish camera again with these small lenses. Not sure, because I realized while in Spain that my main go-to combo out of town is the Fuji GFX100s with just the 35-70mm and the OM1 II with a bunch of longer lenses. Most other combinations were only used to test the results, but not for actual photography. In town, it’s mostly MFT stuff unless it’s at night, when the Canon may come out.




Mar 30, 2026 at 07:58 AM
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I ran across the photo the other day, it was my first experiment with adapting a vintage lens on a mirrorless...my Helios 44-4 on an X-H1, which, looking back, was just about the best looking combo I've ever held






Mar 30, 2026 at 08:03 AM
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RoamingScott wrote:
I ran across the photo the other day, it was my first experiment with adapting a vintage lens on a mirrorless...my Helios 44-4 on an X-H1, which, looking back, was just about the best looking combo I've ever held



Still whining and wishing that Fuji ever made a FF MLC! They make great MLCs for sure but only with cropped sensors! It's a shame. Attaching MF lenses onto them is always a win even for wider ones due to the smaller sensor - it gets more tricky with FF sensors. I cannot see myself ever going back to APS-C. Last time I used one of these was in 2009. Never liked the crop factor (not helpful in my photography style) and limitation with ultra-wide/fisheye lenses. But that's just me - I know others don't mind the cropped sensor format.



Mar 30, 2026 at 10:48 AM
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Still whining and wishing that Fuji ever made a FF MLC! They make great MLCs for sure but only with cropped sensors! It's a shame. Attaching MF lenses onto them is always a win even for wider ones due to the smaller sensor - it gets more tricky with FF sensors. I cannot see myself ever going back to APS-C. Last time I used one of these was in 2009. Never liked the crop factor (not helpful in my photography style) and limitation with ultra-wide/fisheye lenses. But that's just me - I know others don't mind the cropped sensor format.
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Their 40mp sensor is fine and more useful for cropping than the older gens...but I prefered putting vintage glass on a GFX instead, even if I had to crop back to more FF sizes.



Mar 30, 2026 at 10:56 AM
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This is possibly old news to some of you (or maybe not), but I happened across this site the other day offering DIY Canon FD to EF mount conversion kits, including microchipping options:

https://fdtoef.com/

I have a collection of older FD glass, including a 50 1.2L and 85 1.2L that I sometimes use with a "dumb" mount converter on my R bodies.

I am tempted to give this a shot, or to find an installer who could do it. I am wondering if anyone has any experience with these?



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