In my experience, running AI Denoise is a good indicator of how these processors handle intensive tasks. On my M4Pro system, denoising a 50MP file seems to take about 30-35 seconds.
I'm surprised by these results. I was about to purchase a M5 Max to replace my 3 year old Lenovo Thinkpad P1 with a 4090 laptop GPU. Your results are about 15.4 sec per denoise for A1 files. I am getting 14.4. sec per file on the Lenovo. I am getting about 9 sec per file in my 485K desktop with an older 3090 GPU. The reason to replace the Lenovo is that I have trouble getting Lenovo service in Costa Rica and Apple has a few service centers around CR. I was expecting a big improvement in performance, but maybe not.
schlotz wrote:
Based on the results, my 50MP files are running around 15 sec per.
One interesting thing is that when Adobe first introduced the AI Denoise feature the time for denoising my 50MP files was shorter — more like 20 seconds and (IIRC) even down to 15 seconds. (Though that may have been with 40MP files from a different system — I’m afraid I wasn’t paying close attention.)
On one hand, I have to twiddle my thumbs for an extra 15 seconds when I denoise a file. On the other hand, since I only denoise files that actually need it (and most don’t), it isn’t that much of an imposition — certainly not enough for me to upgrade a computer again!
But I can see that if one regularly batch-denoises scores or hundreds of files that the difference would seem like a bigger deal.
Guess it comes down to one's definition of big improvement. Suppose it might also depend on the individual photos and the amount of noise in them. Those I used for testing were very high ISO files, i.e. 12,800-20,000. For me the 50% improvement is a lot. No question I would have liked more though.
schlotz wrote:
With the new M5 MBP now in hand I've run some simple processing tests against a batch of 10 photos from the Sony A1 & A1-ii.
MBP M1 Max MBP took 5 min < 10 core CPU, 24 core GPU, 32gb ram
MBP M5 Max MBP took 2m34s. < 18 core CPU, 40 core GPU, 64gb ram
Basically a 50% improvement. Definitely worth the upgrade for me since I process field side for submission on a time schedule.
Pretty significant to say the least though it would be difficult to separate how much of the improvement was attributable to the doubling of the cores and doubling of the RAM. Thanks for posting and some may find Art's information useful:
schlotz wrote:
With the new M5 MBP now in hand I've run some simple processing tests against a batch of 10 photos from the Sony A1 & A1-ii.
MBP M1 Max MBP took 5 min < 10 core CPU, 24 core GPU, 32gb ram
MBP M5 Max MBP took 2m34s. < 18 core CPU, 40 core GPU, 64gb ram
Basically a 50% improvement. Definitely worth the upgrade for me since I process field side for submission on a time schedule.
Pretty significant to say the least though it would be difficult to separate how much of the improvement was attributable to the doubling of the cores and doubling of the RAM. Thanks for posting and some may find Art's information useful:
armd wrote:
Pretty significant to say the least though it would be difficult to separate how much of the improvement was attributable to the doubling of the cores and doubling of the RAM. Thanks for posting and some may find Art's information useful:
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As I understand it, LR Denoise is heavily dependent on GPU Cores and not so much on CPU & ram. The bottom line for me is the total time for 10+ files to get processed. I shoot pro soccer on a dead line that requires transmittal on the field before the half and again right after the end.
It looks like Lightroom needs an update to fully utilize the improvements in the M5 Pro/M5 Max generation of processors. We saw something similar back when the original M1 Max and Ultra came out and then with the M3/M4 updates to the GPU architecture. In the M5 Pro and M5 Max there are both changes to the CPU core architecture and the GPU. For whatever reason Adobe's developers lag the Apple product development more than some others. Big company moves more slowly I guess.
My guess is we'll see improvements in the next update(s) to Lightroom. I have an M5 Max showing up tomorrow and I'll run some of my standard tests when I get a chance, but Art's tests are pretty thorough and it seems we'll just have to wait for an update to see the full benefits.
gdanmitchell wrote:
In my experience, running AI Denoise is a good indicator of how these processors handle intensive tasks. On my M4Pro system, denoising a 50MP file seems to take about 30-35 seconds.
On my base Neo it takes 55s to denoise a 20mp file.
jhapeman wrote:
It looks like Lightroom needs an update to fully utilize the improvements in the M5 Pro/M5 Max generation of processors. We saw something similar back when the original M1 Max and Ultra came out and then with the M3/M4 updates to the GPU architecture. In the M5 Pro and M5 Max there are both changes to the CPU core architecture and the GPU. For whatever reason Adobe's developers lag the Apple product development more than some others. Big company moves more slowly I guess.
My guess is we'll see improvements in the next update(s) to Lightroom. I have an M5 Max showing up tomorrow and I'll run some of my standard tests when I get a chance, but Art's tests are pretty thorough and it seems we'll just have to wait for an update to see the full benefits....Show more →
If Adobe starts taking advantage of the Neural Accelerators in the GPU, then Adobe would mention a performance improvement in the release notes that would be specific to the M5 and later systems.
hoodlum90 wrote:
If Adobe starts taking advantage of the Neural Accelerators in the GPU, then Adobe would mention a performance improvement in the release notes that would be specific to the M5 and later systems.
Possibly but they generally are pretty opaque about then they implement code to take advantage of technology changes. They did mention the current ANE cores in previous releases but the GPU is a different matter as it theoretically require less dedicated coding as most of it should be addressed through Metal. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
jhapeman wrote:
Possibly but they generally are pretty opaque about then they implement code to take advantage of technology changes. They did mention the current ANE cores in previous releases but the GPU is a different matter as it theoretically require less dedicated coding as most of it should be addressed through Metal. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
So Jeff, when and how many , or are you waiting for the Studio/Ultra?
mcbroomf wrote:
So Jeff, when and how many , or are you waiting for the Studio/Ultra?
Hahaha! Well my M5 Max is here but I'm about to leave for ten days in Ecuador photographing birds so the testing will likely have to wait a few weeks. A quick test of DeNoise does seem to be about 15% faster than the M4 Max.
jhapeman wrote:
Hahaha! Well my M5 Max is here but I'm about to leave for ten days in Ecuador photographing birds so the testing will likely have to wait a few weeks. A quick test of DeNoise does seem to be about 15% faster than the M4 Max.
That is similar to the testing done by Art Is RIght. He tested an M5 Max with 32 GPU cores and has data from an M4 Max with 32 cores and got 17% improvement. He also tested an M5 Max with 40 GPU cores and got an 18% improvement over the M5 Max with 32 cores.
mcbroomf wrote:
That is similar to the testing done by Art Is RIght. He tested an M5 Max with 32 GPU cores and has data from an M4 Max with 32 cores and got 17% improvement. He also tested an M5 Max with 40 GPU cores and got an 18% improvement over the M5 Max with 32 cores.
Yes I watched his videos. It seems to me that there is definitely some software optimization work that needs to be done for the CPU and GPU changes in this generation of Apple Silicon. Might take Adobe a bit...they don't move super fast.
One thing I can report is the battery life is definitely longer when doing my regular work in Lightroom and online. Enough so that I noticed it. Apple is advertising about 10-15% IIRC and that seems about right. The PC people just don't realize what they are missing out on (and I know as we have similarly-specced PC laptops for my business)--100% full power even on battery without loud fans and without killing the battery in under an hour.
, or are you waiting for the Studio/Ultra?