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p.8 #1 · Getting the photo vs the experience of getting the photo


I want to thank everyone who has shared insightful comments in this discussion. When I posted this, I figured it would only get a few replies. When I saw the discussion take off, I decided to stay out of it and let it naturally flow.

Persoanlly, in the last few years, especially since getting my Z8 and 24-120mm f4, I have found myself drifting more and more towards getting the photo. Being able to work so quickly and smoothly, while maintaining a high level of IQ has definitely gained me a larger variety of photos and less time, and opened up the opportunities to get photos I would not have gotten years ago. I even added the 28-400mm, which has served a nice role in my kit, a lens I would have never thought of getting 10 years ago.

The shift really hit me when contemplating the Zeiss 35mm f1.4 and Voigtlander 28mm f2 APO. Both of these lenses fill gaps I have wanted to fill for years. I wanted a Voigtlander 28mm f2 APO since I got the 35mm f2 APO in 2021. I have wanted to see Zeiss get fully into mirrorless for years. After years of no new photo lenses, I even wondered if they had abandoned the photography market. Now we have the Zeiss ML that hits basically all the marks. Zeiss rendering, all metal build like the ZF2 lenses, and Otus level IQ in a smaller and lighter package. There is nothing wrong with either lens. They both hit the marks I was looking for. But now I am wondering if I would use either lens enough to justify adding them to my kit, given how much my approach has changed.

Part of me definitely misses using my MF prime lenses more often. There is something about that slower and more mechanical version of photography that I do still enjoy. I know spending years using MF primes helped me to get better at photography. With how good modern optics and modern AF accuracy have gotten though, I feel like some of the advantages of using MF primes have started to fade away. I lose a lot fewer photos today due to AF misses than I did 10+ years ago. The IQ between primes and zooms also closes by the year. We now have f2 zooms that probably have better IQ than any prime from 20 years ago. One of the last main technical advantages I see left to MF lenses is compact size, but even that is starting to slip.

Then, while reading people's opinions on a few newish lenses, I felt like I was seeing the same divide in comments I was feeling in myself. For example, in how many people were complaining that Zeiss did not add AF to the ML series, given how good mirrorless AF has gotten.

So I decided to "generlize" this feeling and posted this topic to see if others felt similar. I think it's safe to say from the replies that many of us have a pull between technically better gear and gear / experinces that inspires us to go out and take photos. Like many things in life, there is no clear answer to which gear is which. Person A may consider 30fps only technical perfection, while person B might find it an inspiration to get action photos never dreamed possible before. My gut is that this type of question is only going to get more prevalent as our gear gets better. Thanks again for your opinions!



Mar 09, 2026 at 03:18 PM
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p.8 #2 · Getting the photo vs the experience of getting the photo


Seems like the OP's explanation resonates with all sorts of possible lens selections. For example, with a preference for the ergonomics and discreteness of small, why sandwich a 7Artisans 40 between a much better 35 and 45, except for the fact that you can.


Mar 09, 2026 at 04:28 PM
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p.8 #3 · Getting the photo vs the experience of getting the photo


DWOfPaul wrote:
I want to thank everyone who has shared insightful comments in this discussion. When I posted this, I figured it would only get a few replies. When I saw the discussion take off, I decided to stay out of it and let it naturally flow.

Persoanlly, in the last few years, especially since getting my Z8 and 24-120mm f4, I have found myself drifting more and more towards getting the photo. Being able to work so quickly and smoothly, while maintaining a high level of IQ has definitely gained me a larger variety of photos and less time, and opened
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Well, that wasn’t initially what I took from your question, but I’m there with you.

When I was still writing my blog, Zeiss let me use their then-new Otus lenses to review them. I liked their output, but they were so large, I never felt inclined to buy any of them. Then years later, frustrated with ever-larger mirrorless glass, I got into Leica M and thus MF. But I found that I prefer accurate focus over the manual experience and higher chance of missing focus. So, I mostly used and still use zone focusing with my manual lenses, unless I really have the time and patience.

Lured by the mechanics of older cameras, I also got some older film cameras. But I’m not actually using them much.

Still, if all lines up right, shooting MF or with older cameras can be fun for me. I think that choice really comes down to your own preferences and comfort with having some gear you don’t use much, but still like once in a while.

I’m in Valencia at the moment and the city’s Fallas festival is ramping up. At its height next week, I know I’ll shoot with my fastest gear because that will allow me to get the best images I can get. And I also know I really like shooting like that,

But a few days after, I will drive to the empty parts of Spain and I’m pretty sure my old Bronica will make that trip, while the faster cameras stay home.

That’s about gear, though. Not looking at gear and answering the question I thought you asked, I still focus more on the experience of shooting (with whatever gear) more than on the end result, though I wish I liked the editing and post-processing more so I’d do more with my initial catch.



Mar 09, 2026 at 05:00 PM
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p.8 #4 · Getting the photo vs the experience of getting the photo


The other day, I took my camera out for the day, and did a two hour walk, with a starting point and loose end point. I walked down random streets on the way, looking out for things that interested me for photos. It was a wonderful time. But for photography, I would never have chosen that activity for the day. So, I guess, for the vast majority of the time, that is what photography is to me. This is how I do the vast majority of my photography. The exceptions are wildlife photography, which is slightly more planned, but not necessarily by much. I don't plan a spot/shot ahead of time. The joy is in keeping an eye out for beauty. It engages me in my environment and encourages me to get out there and randomly explore.


Mar 09, 2026 at 07:30 PM
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The question in the OP is framed in terms of equipment, but I think it is of a more general nature.

I personally find the experience of getting the photo more satisfying than processing the photo itself. If I anticipate the weather, location, light, and subject matter and things click together I usually know that I have good photo the moment I press the shutter. There are a number of "something out of nothing" tutorials offered for sale on the internet but I find the premise of those videos unsatisfying. If the light sucked or there were serious issues with the capture no amount of digital wizardry is going to make the experience satisfying in my eyes.

My preference for the experience over the image has gotten to the point where I have a few months backlog of shooting sessions on my computer that I have not even bothered to cull yet.



Mar 15, 2026 at 05:13 PM
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p.8 #6 · Getting the photo vs the experience of getting the photo


I have a half-million unedited images mostly since the 2020s MILS era. I don't think it correlates to having or not having an experience. It correlates to how much time you have and I'd rather shoot now and process later when I'm no longer capturing images.

EBH

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Mar 16, 2026 at 09:48 PM
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p.8 #7 · Getting the photo vs the experience of getting the photo


EB-1 wrote:
I have a half-million unedited images mostly since the 2020s MILS era. I don't think it correlates to having or not having an experience.

EBH


How does it come about that you have so many images? 500,000!!!

And those are the unedited ones! How many total?



Mar 16, 2026 at 09:54 PM
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p.8 #8 · Getting the photo vs the experience of getting the photo


The modern cameras at 20/30/40FPS especially upped the game. My body cannot do what it could 30-40 years ago, so it has been about traveling and capturing as much as I can in the 2020s. Climbing a hill at high altitude with a pack is quite difficult now. I'm not so decrepit as to need OM yet though.
I expected to be retired by now and have more time to process images, though some say it's just an excuse. I don't really enjoy PP, but DXO is quite fast and easy to use.

EBH



Mar 16, 2026 at 10:08 PM
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DWOfPaul wrote:
When taking photos for yourself, do you find yourself prioritizing getting the photo or the experience of getting the photo?

For example, do you find yourself gravitating towards superzooms that let you capture a larger variety of photos quicker, or do you prefer sticking with a few MF primes because you enjoy the experience better, even if you miss some photo opportunities along the way? Similarly, on the camera side, do you prefer a larger camera with better AF, higher FPS, and more features, or a smaller, lighter, and more portable camera?


Whow !

This is a bunch of utter nonsense.

Nobody cares about the experience. You always want the shot. Professional photographers obviously so, because the shot generates the money. Amateurs also, because thats what makes photography fun and maybe generates recognition.

The OP apparently doesnt care about image quality at all and views photography as a purely mechanical excercise, with no regards for the end result and no artistic vision whatsoever.

Superzooms are mostly pointless. Their cost in regards to lack of image quality and poor light gathering (poor f-stop and even worse T-stop), nevermind typically also slow autofocus is intolerable for most applications.

I use manual focus lenses because they give better results. Not because I crave the PITA that is manual focus. I would use the same lens with autofocus if the optics wouldnt change. Thats why I use plenty of autofocus lenses, too, after all. Because they give the best image quality.

Photography is not about getting every possible shot. Thats impossible. There are countless good shots possible in every moment. You want to get good shots.



Mar 18, 2026 at 04:35 AM
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Sauseschritt wrote:
Whow !

This is a bunch of utter nonsense.

Nobody cares about the experience. You always want the shot. Professional photographers obviously so, because the shot generates the money. Amateurs also, because thats what makes photography fun and maybe generates recognition.

The OP apparently doesnt care about image quality at all and views photography as a purely mechanical excercise, with no regards for the end result and no artistic vision whatsoever.

Superzooms are mostly pointless. Their cost in regards to lack of image quality and poor light gathering (poor f-stop and even worse T-stop), nevermind typically also slow autofocus is intolerable for most applications.

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So, how about Gary Winogrand, who was a pro, shot every day and left hundreds of thousands of his images undeveloped?

I think it’s not a black and white case, but rather what’s the key driver for one’s enjoyment of photography.



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It’s a hobby. If I didn’t enjoy going out shooting, I wouldn’t do it. Yes, a nice photo from an outing is great…but that is never guaranteed from an outing…but I still enjoy the process even if I don’t return with a wall hanger.


Mar 18, 2026 at 07:59 AM
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Sauseschritt wrote:
Whow !

This is a bunch of utter nonsense.

Nobody cares about the experience. You always want the shot. Professional photographers obviously so, because the shot generates the money. Amateurs also, because thats what makes photography fun and maybe generates recognition.

The OP apparently doesnt care about image quality at all and views photography as a purely mechanical excercise, with no regards for the end result and no artistic vision whatsoever.

Superzooms are mostly pointless. Their cost in regards to lack of image quality and poor light gathering (poor f-stop and even worse T-stop), nevermind typically also slow autofocus is intolerable for most applications.

I
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To quote yourself; this is a bunch of utter nonsense.

Always hilarious with people trying to tell others what they are allowed to prefer.



Mar 18, 2026 at 08:14 AM
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Garry’s work has a joy to it that it’s hard to not sense that he enjoyed the process. He inspired me to get out there and feel like an awkward dumbass in NY asking random strangers if I could take their picture (which crazy enough led to my first assisting gig at the Tribeca film festival for a Paper magazine shoot). For every swing and a miss, the feeling of actually connecting with someone new, and seeing something in them that was hidden up until that moment is magical. I know that now everyone wants to be the next Brandon Stanton (creator of HONY) but focusing purely on the pictures at the end of the process is missing out on life.

Personally, I try to enjoy every part of the process, including the actual act of taking the picture. There’s so much joy in research and preproduction, sketching out concepts, playing with lighting and lensing, and then adding the finishing touches in post. To be honest though, I take very little pleasure in new lenses or camera bodies nowadays. If I could shoot everything with one lens, I’d love that.

johnvanr wrote:
So, how about Gary Winogrand, who was a pro, shot every day and left hundreds of thousands of his images undeveloped?

I think it’s not a black and white case, but rather what’s the key driver for one’s enjoyment of photography.




Mar 18, 2026 at 11:39 AM
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johnvanr wrote:
So, how about Gary Winogrand, who was a pro, shot every day and left hundreds of thousands of his images undeveloped?

I think it’s not a black and white case, but rather what’s the key driver for one’s enjoyment of photography.


Well, I guess I have to retract my previous statement about myself! I have tons of pictures that never saw a final JPEG export. I'm glad I made them on the way to an image I like, but a lot of them never saw the light of day. And I've bought a few cameras and lenses for no practical reason!

But usually I call it up this way - I like to photograph people and whatever beautiful things I see.



Mar 18, 2026 at 02:04 PM
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Sauseschritt wrote:
Whow !

This is a bunch of utter nonsense.

Nobody cares about the experience. You always want the shot. Professional photographers obviously so, because the shot generates the money. Amateurs also, because thats what makes photography fun and maybe generates recognition.

The OP apparently doesnt care about image quality at all and views photography as a purely mechanical excercise, with no regards for the end result and no artistic vision whatsoever.

Superzooms are mostly pointless. Their cost in regards to lack of image quality and poor light gathering (poor f-stop and even worse T-stop), nevermind typically also slow autofocus is intolerable for most applications.

I
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Notice I said "photos for yourself", professional work is a whole other question. I don't expect anyone to take a job photographing a professional sports game, and deciding to use a 600mm MF lens because they enjoy MF better. I also own quite a few of the best AF and MF lenses, optically speaking, such as the Sigma 40mm f1.4 and Voigtlander 50mm f2 apo, so it's safe to say I know what I may be giving up when I decide to use, say, my Nikon 28-400mm instead.

If you care to learn what caused me to make this topic, see my reply above:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1935542/7#17000439



Mar 18, 2026 at 02:36 PM
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Well, it's a wide ranging set of experiences, very illuminating about the fellow members' attitudes. I have to line up here with Saus while acknowledging and respecting that others seem to mostly feel very differently. For me, the image is everything. The rest of it is process, a complement and not the main game.

You are documenting your life as it unfolds in its full glory. The places you have been, the people that make up your existence, the joys and heartaches of it all. When you are gone, these are the things that remain as a record of you, of your interests, your travels, your family and friends. One day, all you and your descendants will have left are these invaluable images.

Gear just needs to be efficient and give you the images you want. Now, that search is a great journey. Images that go unrealised in post, surely these are ones that didn't make the grade. There is obviously a kind of cathartic experience to the process of using the camera and lens, as we try to get it done well. It is a craft, after all. But that is you, not the gear. If you don't focus on the image, you can never improve.

I can't see that mechanical routine being the main reason for photography, there has to be a deeper purpose to it. But I've known guys who gather around a stationary engine in a garage and watch the thing run, for hours. People are the strangest thing.



Mar 18, 2026 at 04:48 PM
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philip_pj wrote:
You are documenting your life as it unfolds in its full glory. The places you have been, the people that make up your existence, the joys and heartaches of it all. When you are gone, these are the things that remain as a record of you, of your interests, your travels, your family and friends. One day, all you and your descendants will have left are these invaluable images.


But if you don’t enjoy the process of documenting this journey…what’s the point of capturing this record of your life? I strive to enjoy all aspects of life…even when it gets hard. There is always some glimmer every day that brings a smile to my face.

If my goal in life was to capture the best image I could without enjoying that process…what’s the point?



Mar 18, 2026 at 05:33 PM
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philip_pj wrote:
You are documenting your life as it unfolds in its full glory.
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Gear just needs to be efficient and give you the images you want.


This I completely agree with, which is why I disagree with Sauseschritt saying:

Sauseschritt wrote:
The OP apparently doesnt care about image quality at all and views photography as a purely mechanical excercise, with no regards for the end result and no artistic vision whatsoever.

Superzooms are mostly pointless. Their cost in regards to lack of image quality and poor light gathering (poor f-stop and even worse T-stop), nevermind typically also slow autofocus is intolerable for most applications.

I use manual focus lenses because they give better results.


At least to me, this comes off as preferring image quality over getting the image in the first place.

Here is an example I got with the 24-120mm f4, which I have readily available. These two photos were taken on a moving boat, on the ocean, in windy, wavy conditions, within about a minute of each other. The first photo was at 24mm, the second photo was at 69mm:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/digitalworldofpaul/54241503769/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/digitalworldofpaul/54243078652/

Both photos tell part of the story from an adventurous day of fishing, show a sight many local fishermen relate to, and are of landmarks many locals have never seen in person from the water. If I tried to photograph this with my Voigtlander 50mm f2 APO, I would have picked up a bit more detail, but I would have definitely missed the wider photo, and may have missed both photos by the time I fiddled with focus. The reality is, I probably wouldn't have even taken my camera out if I had my 50mm f2 on it, as the conditions were definitely not ideal for photos, and I worry a lot less about water splashing my 24-120mm as it's weather sealed. Also, it's safer to use the 24-120mm as I can use it one handed.

This past fall, I went out ocean fishing at a different location and ended up only using my iPhone for photos as the conditions were definitely not safe for my camera, and probably not safe for me either to attempt photographing in. An iPhone is going to hurt a lot less if you hit into it than a Z8. I showed those photos to many people and not one person made a comment on the IQ. I did have a few people say it looked really cool and asked how they could get into ocean fishing next Fall.



Mar 18, 2026 at 05:57 PM
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p.8 #19 · Getting the photo vs the experience of getting the photo


If you don't enjoy the experience of making a photo, you're not doing it hard enough.

And of course the photo itself matters also, even if it is only ever seen through thte viewfinder. It is, after all, part of the experience.



Mar 18, 2026 at 06:08 PM
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chiron wrote:
If you don't enjoy the experience of making a photo, you're not doing it hard enough.


Can you elaborate? It seems to me that the harder you do something the more pain there is, so that is counter to enjoyment.

EBH



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