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p.3 #1 · Observation/Question about Forum Lens Topics


They all needed mirrorless lenses.

Sony got into mirrorless earlier (than Canon and Nikon) and with a broadening range of bodies and needed lenses. That's the likely big reason for more Sony or third party E mount lenses.

Sony wasn't against and actively supported third party lens participation. Lens makers needed follow on business to replace slr/dslr lenses as that market collapsed.. It made sense for Sony to work with that.

Maybe it was a business (or emotional) approach to use their "optics" heritage to move ahead against that upstart consumer electronics TV company. Nikon and Canon and seemingly more so still with Canon, was restrict access to their mount and customers and try to do their own lens development. They are narrowing the gap from the head start they allowed Sony.



Mar 03, 2026 at 01:09 PM
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Craig Gillette wrote:
They all needed mirrorless lenses.

Sony got into mirrorless earlier (than Canon and Nikon) and with a broadening range of bodies and needed lenses. That's the likely big reason for more Sony or third party E mount lenses.

Sony wasn't against and actively supported third party lens participation. Lens makers needed follow on business to replace slr/dslr lenses as that market collapsed.. It made sense for Sony to work with that.

Maybe it was a business (or emotional) approach to use their "optics" heritage to move ahead against that upstart consumer electronics TV company. Nikon and Canon and seemingly more
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I've long said that Sony's introduction of their mirrorless cameras (which I chose not to adopt at the time) was brilliantly executed and timed. Not only did they offer the then-highest resolution sensor (at 36MP) but by allowing (some would say "requiring") the use of third party lenses at first, particularly Canon lenses via adapters, they lowered the cost of trying out the system and enticed people to try it.

Perhaps the remnants of that legacy are part of the reason that third-party lenses are still big on the platform.



Mar 03, 2026 at 01:31 PM
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At a high level, not all third party lenses are created equal. Some offer high quality, some offer unique options, and some offer discounts (decent quality at low prices). So it really all depends on what you're looking for.

One of the great things about the Sony ecosystem is the large number of lenses to choose from.

Two important things to remeber though, are third party e mount lenses are limited to 15fps in AF-C and cannot support TC's. Depending on your use case, these can be important factors when choosing Sony or third party lenses.



Mar 03, 2026 at 02:19 PM
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I’m currently a Canon user who is likely to move to Sony, ...

1. Do Sony users feel that Sony lenses are somehow deficient by comparison to third-part optics.

2. Third party lenses are cheaper than Sony products.

3. The third-party products fill gaps in the Sony lens line-up.

4. Something else.

I was an early adopter of digital ILC starting with Canon: D30, 1Ds. Still own those bodies and a few primes (15, 28, 35, 50) but am now mostly using MILC (A7ii, Z6). I own two film brands (Leica, Contax) and a disturbing quantity of glass. To answer your questions:

1) Sony stuff is fine, and mostly new designs since the Minolta era. Of course, Sony does not dominate with every lens they release, and sometimes need to do it again (e.g. 70-200/4). The 24/1.4 and 35/1.4 GM do not impress me due to excessive purple fringing: kudos to anyone who can overlook that aberration. I consider the Nikkor AF-S 28/1.4E the definitive fast WA.

2) Yes, with the Viltrox 50/2 Air being the current world champ. Sony cannot touch this len at any price.

3) Yes. I continue to use the Canon TS-E 135L because Sony has NO tilt/shift offering.

4) Yes. Sony cannot recreate the full history of lenses that are available used with their unique flavors. No other vendor can do so, either, although Cosina is trying hard. I enjoy many old optics that couldn't mount on DSLR due to registration distance. All MILC can now provide this service, but Sony did it first. Only their thick sensor cover can occasionally spoil the fun.



Mar 03, 2026 at 03:46 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
I've long said that Sony's introduction of their mirrorless cameras (which I chose not to adopt at the time) was brilliantly executed and timed. Not only did they offer the then-highest resolution sensor (at 36MP) but by allowing (some would say "requiring") the use of third party lenses at first, particularly Canon lenses via adapters, they lowered the cost of trying out the system and enticed people to try it.

Perhaps the remnants of that legacy are part of the reason that third-party lenses are still big on the platform.


The acceptance of third party lenses as potentially good and even top tier lenses perhaps may be due to the remnants of that legacy you refer to. I do not know if that is true, of course, but it seems plausible. I would put it this way: There seems to be substantially less prejudice towards their party lenses relative to OEM lenses in relation to the Sony system compared with other systems, at least if you go by what gets written online. Third party lenses in the Sony system seem more likely to be evaluated in a more even-handed way than in other systems.

I switched to Sony a few years ago, after shooting Canon DSLRs for a good 20 years. When I started, it seemed true that Canon lenses tended to be better than the third party offerings. However, that changed over the years, particulary when Sigma's Art series began (although I think you could see the substantial improvements Sigma was making even in some of the later lenses in Sigma's EX series) and also with some of the Tamron SP lenses. I was slow to give those sorts of lenses a chance, based on many of the things I was reading online and also having had one or two disappointing experiences with earlier third party lenses. However, once I tried a Sigma Art lens, I substantially changed my views. I found it almost comical to see Canon die-hards tying themselves in knots to find ways to say that the Canon equivalent of a Sigma lens was always better than the Sigma and the only reason to consider a Sigma was because of price.

Fast forward to now on the Sony system, and there are often third party lenses which are serious competitors to even Sony's GM lenses. That is in no way intended to be a criticism of Sony lenses - Sony make a lot of excellent lenses and the GM lenses are every bit in the same class as Canon L lenses - it is just that there are some fantastic third party lenses too. Third party lenses on the Sony system do have a few limitations, eg they (all I think but don't quote me on that) limited to 15 FPS even if your camera body can go faster than that, and they don't take teleconverters (although I think I read that some third party manufacturers are trying make teleconverters which do work with thrid party lenses now?). If those limitations are not an issue for you though, my recommendation would be to be open to third party lenses and simply evaluate each lens on its merits, whichever manufacturer makes it.



Mar 03, 2026 at 07:19 PM
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I’m currently a Canon user who is likely to move to Sony, probably when the rumored A7RVI arrives. I’ve been haunting the Sony forum for the past few months to try to get a handle on Sony World, in particular on the lens options that would most likely align with my (well-defined) needs.

One thing that strikes me about this forum is the huge number of threads about non-Sony lenses. My experience with other bands has been to rely almost entirely on native brand lenses, and that strategy has worked very well for me. I’ve been trying to understand why
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FWIW, my answers to your quesions are:

1. I cannot actually know what all Sony users feel, of course, but I believe the answer is no. Sony make some fantastic lenses. Some third party lenses are fantastic too, and every now and then a third party may make a lens which is at least arguably the "best" in its category. However, I see no reason to consider that Sony lenses, as a class, are deficient relative to third party lenses. (Of course, what is "best" depends on your preferences and exactly what you want to with a lens so it is difficult to define "best", at least without being very specific about the parameters and their relative importance, but let's not get bogged down in that for now.)

2. Often that is true, and obviously that can lead to a lens seeming better value. However, please do not take "better value" as a code for "not as good but the price makes it worth considering anyway if you are budget conscious". No doubt that may be the case for some specific lenses, but each lens should be evaluated on its merits.

3. Sony has a fairly complete line-up of lenses these days so I doubt that, for many people, third party lenses are filling requirements that couldn't be filled with a Sony lens. There may be some exceptions to that, eg I don't believe Sony has any tilt-shift lenses. Also, third party lenses sometimes offer somthing a little different, eg the Tamron and Samyang 35-150mm lenses, but I don't think that necessarily equates to saying that Sony has a "gap" in its lens range.

4. I think the answer is that people in the Sony system generally seem to be more open to the idea that a third party lens can be as good as or even better than a Sony lens and to try to assess all lenses on their merits rather than come from an entrenched position that Sony lenses will always be better.

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Mar 03, 2026 at 07:30 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
I’ve considered hanging onto my EF 16-35mm f/4L, which is an excellent lens… that don’t use so much that I’d resent attaching it to an adapter.

I’ve imagined that I’d replace the other three of my four core zooms with Sony OEM alternatives. I’ve been working successfully with EF 24-70 f/f2.8L IS (though I’d be happy with an f/4 version for my purposes), 70-200mm f/4L IS, and 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS (II). I don’t need precisely those focal lengths, so some others combination that covers the same ground a perhaps a bit more at the long end will do.

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If you have an EF EF 24-70 f/f2.8L IS, keep it becuase it will be a collector's item!

Regarding lenses you have mentioned, you have plenty of options for equivalent lenses in the Sony system. When I changed to Sony I sold all my Canon gear and started again, as I didn't want to be messing around with adapters (which would undermine my goal of having a relatively smaller and lighter kit) and it seemed to me my Canon gear was only going to go down in value the longer I held onto it. I can understand why you might decide to take a different approach though, of course.

16-35mm f/4: Many options in the Sony system, including eg Sony 16-35mm f/4 PZ, Sony 16-35mm f/2.8 GM II, Tamron 16-30mm G2, Sigma 16-28mm f/2.8 C. I am sure there are others.

24-70mm f/2.8: Many options in the Sony system, including eg Sony 24-70mm f/2.8 GM II, Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 Art II, Tamron 28-75mm G2, among others. If you don't need f/2.8, there are more options, including eg Sony 20-70mm f/4 G and Sony 24-105mm f/4.

70-200mm f/4L IS: The most obvious equivalent is the Sony 70-200mm f/4G II. If you have any interest in a wider aperture, there are various options including the Sony 70-200mm f/2.8 GM II, the Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 Art, and the Tamron 70-180mm f/2.8 G2 (which is notably lighter than the other f/2.8 options mentioned). Again, I am sure there are others.

100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS (II): Various options in Sony system, with perhaps the most obvious being the Sony 100-400mm, the Tamron 50-400mm and the Sigma 100-400mm. Especially given you are open to a somewhat different focal length range, there are definitely other options to consider too, eg the Sony 200-600mm and the Sigma 150-600mm (no sure how that one stacks up). (There is the Sigma 300-600mm f/4 but that belongs in a different class.)

100mm f/2.8 macro: Many equivalents on the Sony system. Macro is not my thing so I am not going to try to say which is best. My understanding is that many of the options get very good reviews, and Sony's relatively recently released 100mm f/2.8 GM OSS gets stellar reviews.

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Mar 03, 2026 at 07:53 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
I’m currently a Canon user who is likely to move to Sony, probably when the rumored A7RVI arrives. I’ve been haunting the Sony forum for the past few months to try to get a handle on Sony World, in particular on the lens options that would most likely align with my (well-defined) needs.

One thing that strikes me about this forum is the huge number of threads about non-Sony lenses. My experience with other bands has been to rely almost entirely on native brand lenses, and that strategy has worked very well for me. I’ve been trying to understand why
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Not sure this is particularly important but might lead to more discussion of third party offerings. On B&H's site, if you go to the mirrorless lens listings, for Sony E mount, there are 36 brands and 637 "items." I'm thinking that's separate offerings but some would be kitted with filters or other bundles on the same lens? Nikon Z - 26/389 listed, Canon 24/224. Several offer only one, Samyang and Rokinon are business relatives and there may be other shared lenses "brands," too. Many lenses get little or no discussion, but seems there's apparently a lot more third party to talk about? Not sure how much that can be laid to the "headstart," and I'd think many of the lenses listed aren't barn burners getting a lot or maybe any love or use.

1. Nope, I don't think Sony lenses are deficient in general. There are some that aren't great, perhaps a few awful. And some seriously good lenses, several "lines" like the GM, G, etc. I'd think that's the case for all of them.

2. Probably so, for the most part. I'd expect that's pretty much the same across the board, too.

3. Maybe. But that might be focal lengths or price points. The Sony FE 70-200mm f/2.8 GM OSS II lens is $3,150. The 24-70/2.8 GM is $1800, the GM ii is $2450. That leaves a lot of room for competition and at those prices, if all were similarly pricey might make Sony a tough sell if there weren't alternatives. The Tamron 28-200 was/is in the $700-$800 range competing somewhat with the 24-240. OTOH, Sony has the 20-70/4 which doesn't have counterparts (I don't think anyways) in the other mounts.

4. Is the thriod party conversation more on the "Why not?" side of things.





Mar 03, 2026 at 08:55 PM
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Can't answer for everyone and there's probably better answers already but Sony make good cameras. I imagine they're quite popular.

Their compact range are quite small too while still being full-frame and with good features.
But they don't have a tonne of smaller lenses, or any manual focus ones. And the smaller ones they do have, have competition.

Some great third party options for hobbyists who don't need the absolute best autofocus. Or prefer smaller but high image quality etc. Decently priced, compact, good iq. Lots to choose from.

And high quality third party options on the larger lenses for usually less money too.



Mar 03, 2026 at 09:56 PM
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I enjoy the look of vintage lenses, and that was part of what migrated me from Canon EF. Sony was the OG full frame mirrorless system, so a lot of what you have observed is related to people with that interest having been adopters of Sony. However, that has no correlation with Sony lens quality. Two separate events, for the most part.

Sony has massively evolved their lens lineup in the last five or so years. The GM series is characterized by incredible sharpness, which some argue borders on clinical. This is where some will again prefer other brands, eg Voigtlander or Sigma, for a bit more artsy look. If you want precision optics, the GM line is in your bag.

I have not, in fairness used any non-GM Sony lenses other than the Zeiss 16-35/4, 35/1.4, and 50/1.4, from the early collaboration between the companies…the two primes of which are truly lovely, if you can handle a little CA and slower AF.

Of the lenses I have owned with a Sony badge, here is how I would rank them:

Sublime - new benchmarks for the focal length:
300 GM
135 GM
50/1.2 GM

Incredible, well corrected performers:
35/1.4
24/1.4
1.4x tele

If only I could justify a redundancy…
Zeiss 50/1.4
Zeiss 35/1.4

No complaints but comparable to other brands:
100-400GM
Zeiss 16-35/4
2x tele


If you are wondering about other brands (sometimes manual focus only), these are really nice on Sony:
Voigtlander 28/2 APO
Voigtlander 35/2 APO
Voigtlander 75/1.5

Sigma 35/1.4 Art


YMMV,
Jim



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JD07 wrote:
If you have an EF EF 24-70 f/f2.8L IS, keep it becuase it will be a collector's item! :.


Heh, oops. Maybe wishful thinking triggered that typo? ;-)

As you may have figured out, I’m not one to just jump in and buy a body and the start to think about lenses. My goal is to identify a full system that will accomplish what I need. With that in mind:

1. For what I’ll use the system for, f/2.8 zooms are not necessary. Though I still have (and like!) the Canon 24-70mm f/2.8 (NON-IS!), I get that for a particular project and no longer need f/2.8 at those focal lengths. (I had the f/2.8 version of the EF 70-200, sold it, a moved the f/4 version and don’t regret it at all. Same with the wider 16-35m range. (More on that in a second.)

2. While the 100-400mm range is what was available when I got my long zoom, I do sometimes use it with the 1.4x TC, so something with longer range than 100-400 could be on the table. If I were sticking with Canon I’d almost certainly get the RF 100-500, so something like a 200-600 could be a good alternative on the Sony side. (I’d actually miss the 100-200mm part of the 100-400 range though, since I often use the 100-400 for landscape photography.)

3. At the wide end, given that a 24-70 usually suffices, I don’t necessarily need to overlap with the 16-35mm range, and I would consider something with a 12 or 14mm to 24mm range, too.

I lean toward native lenses rather than third party alternatives except in cases where the OEM stuff doesn’t have features I need, so my first inclination will be to acquire Sony lenses unless the options are significantly deficient in some way to specific third-party alternatives.

(FWIW, “vintage lenses” don’t interest me at all — beyond the warm feelings i occasionally get when I hold one in my hand. As a person who started photography back in the vintage lens era, I’m far more interested in the solid performance of modern lenses.)

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1. Nope, I don't think Sony lenses are deficient in general. There are some that aren't great, perhaps a few awful. And some seriously good lenses, several "lines" like the GM, G, etc. I'd think that's the case for all of them.


The G versus GM thing still confuses me just a bit, though a conversation with a photographer friend who uses Sony tended to confirm an assumption of mine that the differences are more about certain features (notably maximum aperture) more than about optical performance. IIRC, So a rough parallel might be to the differences between the old EF 70-200mm f/2.8 and f/4 lenses on Canon. Honestly, both perform essentially the same in optical terms when it comes to real world photography, but the f/2.8 has a larger maximum aperture, is bigger, and more expensive. If you need f/2.8 it is “better,” but if you don’t it isn’t. (As I wrote above, I had the f/2.8 version and moved “down” to the f/4 version, and IQ is, for all intents and purposes, the same.)

So, it at least seems to me that when it comes to optical performance the G and GM series lenses are in essentially the same class?



Mar 04, 2026 at 10:55 AM
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So, it at least seems to me that when it comes to optical performance the G and GM series lenses are in essentially the same class?

Yes, in the rough sense that both qualify as "L" lenses in Canon parlance. The GM lenses will be more expensive and offer the very best in build quality, features, and special glass. My only GM is the 100/2.8 T5.6 OSS STF which has unique defocus properties, a dual-range feature, manual aperture ring with declick, and blistering sharpness. In Sony's mind, all that deserves the GM label.



Mar 04, 2026 at 12:51 PM
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It was more to note that Sony and especially with third parties, has a range of quality (image and build) and price when it comes to lens choices. The GMs are typically excellent lenses in optical performance, may have the the fastest focus motors, wider and constant apertures, etc. I don't know that I'd say they are optically essentially the same between Gs and GMs, but some may be close? Don't know, I'm more budget bound. It might be a more pronounced performance and image "difference" wide open as opposed to stopped down some, or more speed,responsiveness or wider apertures?




Mar 04, 2026 at 02:19 PM
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Craig Gillette wrote:
It was more to note that Sony and especially with third parties, has a range of quality (image and build) and price when it comes to lens choices. The GMs are typically excellent lenses in optical performance, may have the the fastest focus motors, wider and constant apertures, etc. I don't know that I'd say they are optically essentially the same between Gs and GMs, but some may be close? Don't know, I'm more budget bound. It might be a more pronounced performance and image "difference" wide open as opposed to stopped down some, or more speed,responsiveness or wider
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That G versus GM question interests me. A long time Sony using friend and I had some dialog about this last year and he essentially said that in optical performance terms (and I think in build terms) that G and GM lenses are essentially the same... but that, for example, a G zoom might come in a f/4 version and the GM version might be f/2.8.

Does that sound right?



Mar 04, 2026 at 05:05 PM
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Don't go nuts over the nomenclature. It's like L vs non-L. Some of the L are not so great and some L are very good as you know. Since you live in the states you are better off renting and testing gear under your personal conditions of use.

EBH



Mar 04, 2026 at 05:33 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
That G versus GM question interests me. A long time Sony using friend and I had some dialog about this last year and he essentially said that in optical performance terms (and I think in build terms) that G and GM lenses are essentially the same... but that, for example, a G zoom might come in a f/4 version and the GM version might be f/2.8.

Does that sound right?


That is part of the story. Sony designates both G and GM lenses as professional lenses, but there are some differences. GM lenses as you suggest tend to be faster. There are no G f/2.8 zooms for example. GM lenses tend to have more blades in the aperture mechanism (almost all have 11 blades). GM lenses tend to rely less on digital corrections. These are generalities, however, and there are a few exceptions. G lenses often are as sharp as GM lenses, but often have a slower max aperture and more digital corrections for distortion and lateral CA.



Mar 04, 2026 at 05:58 PM
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The short range F2.8 zooms SEL1625G and SEL2450G are part of G series. I guess they are G because of the limited ranges (to keep them small).


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gdanmitchell wrote:
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The point about the 20-70 at the wide end is interesting. I’ve often thought that, to some extent, when companies extend the range of a familiar type of lens (such as the ubiquitous 24-70 range) that in some cases the plus of the extra range may outweigh the slight decline in IQ in the extended range. That would more likely be true for someone who owned an even wider lens (as I probably would) or who only rarely went wider than 24mm or so.
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I agree with what you said.

One reason the 20-70 is so amazingly lightweight is that they allow distortion to go wild at the widest focal lengths, The Sony profile is needed to correct it because the distortion is more complex than can be easily corrected manually. I think the "stretching" of the image in software is responsible for most of the degradation. The more correction, the more degradation. Perhaps because there are so many pixels to work with it's not a big problem, but it's something to be aware of if you want to make a huge print from a ~20mm image.

Offsetting this, the lens weighs 488 g and goes to 20mm, as opposed to the 805 g of the 24-70mm lens I was previously carrying. In fairness the heavier lens goes to f/2.8, but I have little use for the wide aperture at these focal lengths.



Mar 05, 2026 at 02:11 AM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
That G versus GM question interests me. A long time Sony using friend and I had some dialog about this last year and he essentially said that in optical performance terms (and I think in build terms) that G and GM lenses are essentially the same... but that, for example, a G zoom might come in a f/4 version and the GM version might be f/2.8.

Does that sound right?


Pretty much spot on. Similar to Fuji with the Red Badge lenses, the XF lenses and the XC lenses although Sony doesn't have any plastic lens mount low end lenses AFAIK.

All the Red Badge lenses are great. Most of the XF lenses are very high quality. Some of the XC lenses have really nice optics even though they have plastic mounts.

Love the GM lenses and most of them have aperture rings which I really like as well but I'm hard pressed to find anything to dislike about any of the G lenses I have.

A good example would be the 20 1.8 G lens - it could have been a GM as far as I'm concerned.



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