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Weight in a pack is totally different than weight on a wrist.


In my experience, lenses with noticeably different weights can sometimes feel surprisingly similar in use.

For instance, the 35GM (524g) and the 16–35G (353g) handle almost identically on the camera, despite the 200g difference between them. By contrast, the 24-70mm f/2.8 GM II genuinely feels like a larger, more substantial lens.

I suspect that the position of a lens’s center of gravity plays a significant role in how it handles, perhaps even more so than its absolute weight.



Mar 02, 2026 at 03:28 AM
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The whole issue of weight is very subjective. I usually only take one prime lens with me, and the weight of the 1.2 50 GM bothers me far more when carrying it around in my bag or backpack than when I'm actually shooting. In fact, when shooting, I find the GM almost more comfortable than the 1.2 50 Nokton, even though it's nearly twice as heavy. I think this is because with manual focus lenses, you hold the camera with one hand and focus with the other, whereas with autofocus lenses, you hold the camera+lens with both hands. At least, that's how I do it, knowing full well that many people nowadays prefer to shoot casually with one hand. So, it's all very subjective, not only because everyone has a different perception of weight, but also because everyone might hold their camera differently.


Mar 02, 2026 at 04:09 AM
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p.3 #3 · Have we become obsessed by ever faster lenses


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The whole issue of weight is very subjective. I usually only take one prime lens with me, and the weight of the 1.2 50 GM bothers me far more when carrying it around in my bag or backpack than when I'm actually shooting. In fact, when shooting, I find the GM almost more comfortable than the 1.2 50 Nokton, even though it's nearly twice as heavy. I think this is because with manual focus lenses, you hold the camera with one hand and focus with the other, whereas with autofocus lenses, you hold the camera+lens with both hands. At
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Also everyone uses their cameras differently. Some people go out for an hour to shoot a model, others carry their camera with them all day as they walk the streets in an ancient town.



Mar 02, 2026 at 08:15 AM
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p.3 #4 · Have we become obsessed by ever faster lenses


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I only have my experiences to draw from and I only travel with primes not only for the size advantage, but also because they force you to view the scene through a single focal length. That combination, lighter lens and single focal length provides me with excellent images. I don’t use a zoom for travels so I don’t understand why I would discuss pluses or minuses between zooms and primes…my experience is with primes and that is what I discuss.


This is exactly my position as well: Only primes for street/travel (easily accomplished as I only own one zoom, the 75~150/3.5E). I am in _total_ agreement about the use of primes forcing me to pre-visualize the scene with a single focal-length, which helps me to "see" the scene as my camera will when I raise it to my eyes.

The vast majority of primes these days seem to be designed to address the niche of super-fast/size-is-no-object. Sure, the newest lenses have amazing quality right from wide-open (which certainly can't be said of most fast lenses from the MF era), but even identically spec'ed lenses (say an 85/1.4) are _significantly_ larger compared to an equivalent 20th century lens.



Mar 02, 2026 at 09:22 AM
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I only have my experiences to draw from and I only travel with primes not only for the size advantage, but also because they force you to view the scene through a single focal length. That combination, lighter lens and single focal length provides me with excellent images. I don’t use a zoom for travels so I don’t understand why I would discuss pluses or minuses between zooms and primes…my experience is with primes and that is what I discuss.


So, for anyone wondering about the pluses and minuses of each option for their photography, you can offer one perspective on using primes only, but don’t have experience to share about using zooms as an alternative. Good to clear that up.

Like you, my preference for travel (and street) photograph is to work only with primes. Their small size is useful in several ways — less space in the bag, lighter camera/lens combo, and arguably faster to photograph with since you have one less variable to attend to. I think it is useful, too, to use a camera/lens combo that doesn’t seem so big to potential subjects — we can operate with somewhat less effect on the subjects and scenes we are photographing.

On the other hand (and for those who have not already made up their minds), I have on occasion found a zoom useful for travel photography. I earlier mentioned a trip a few years ago that included both some landscape photography (while doing a. weeklong walk in Scotland) and some visits to urban center including Glasgow, Edinburgh, and London. On that trip I still brought the small pancake lens that is my most-used prime, but I also carried a 16-55mm zoom since it would give me more flexibility and compositional control for the landscape stuff. (This was on a APS-C camera.) Since I had it, I ended up using it on occasion in the urban areas and, when I was willing to accept its larger size, it turned out to be more useful than I expected.

I think my point here is that choices about lenses for various subjects are not “right” or “wrong” in a generic way. While you and I prefer small primes for the travel stuff, there is also a good case to be made for other photographers (especially in different situations) to consider the option of using a zoom lens.

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If using an f1.4 (or so) lens, your best images should include a high percentage taken at max aperture, for the design to have worked. And these are images that cannot be emulated by slow lenses.


Everyone’s experience and preferences will be different, but over years of photographing I realized that I don’t really need the f/1.4 class apertures that often for street and travel photography. I’m even able to do effective handheld night street photography with f/2 or f/2.8 lenses on modern camera with their higher ISO performance and much improved noise characteristics. (A challenge with the f/1.4 and larger apertures is that the DOF is so narrow that you end up with a lot of OOF stuff. That’s fine if it is what you want, but often it isn’t, and even when I was (and still do) use the large aperture lenses, I rarely shoot them wide open.)

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Regarding the general question of camera+lens weight…

For street/travel I usually work with the camera in hand and with a wrist strap. I might be out for hours working this way as I walk and photograph. Here, using a small, lightweight prime really does make a difference, at least for me.

On the other hand, if you are a hang-the-camera-around-the-neck or keep-the-camera-in-the-bag kind of photographer, the weight probably matters less.



Mar 02, 2026 at 12:03 PM
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On the other hand, if you are a hang-the-camera-around-the-neck or keep-the-camera-in-the-bag kind of photographer, the weight probably matters less.

For me, it's different. When the camera is dangling around my neck, a heavier lens is incredibly annoying because the whole thing tips forward, the rear edge of the camera presses uncomfortably against my body, and the dangling effect increases. When carried by hand, a camera with a heavier (but not excessively heavy) lens has the advantage that the forward tilt makes the grip feel almost glued to my curled fingers, whereas with a small, lightweight lens, which doesn't tip forward, you practically have to grip it tightly to prevent it from slipping out of your hand. Not that I would therefore prefer a heavy lens (I always find lighter ultimately better), but for me, at least, both the heavier and lighter versions have their pros and cons when it comes to carrying the camera by hand.



Mar 02, 2026 at 12:42 PM
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We are so different... it's dangerous thinking that everybody else think or feel the same as I do.

I have my camera either in a satchel bag or in my hand. The moments I actually use the camera the lens weight doesn't matter much. Then I can handle the 40G or the tele zoom with no problems.
When carrying the camera either in my hand or having it in the bag the weight matters. When traveling I often walk (and go by tram or bus or similar) for whole days in hot cities. I want my lenses to be small, good and kind of feather or lightweight models.

Daytime: PZ 16-35 and Viltrox 85/2 EVO, evenings: Viltrox 50/2 AIR
The fast f1.4 and f1.2 lenses stay at home. A quick release hand strap helps against having to grip the camera too tightly so I use it sometimes (in crowds, on boats, at cliffs and similar).



Mar 02, 2026 at 01:17 PM
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p.3 #8 · Have we become obsessed by ever faster lenses


It's a shame that people aren't as obsessed about shooting their current gear and improving their post processing as they are about buying the hotness of the week.

They'd figure out (on their own, no less, no help needed from internet dunces) that ultra fast lenses are extremely niche and provide very little to the overall output.



Mar 02, 2026 at 01:22 PM
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p.3 #9 · Have we become obsessed by ever faster lenses


gdanmitchell wrote:
So, for anyone wondering about the pluses and minuses of each option for their photography, you can offer one perspective on using primes only, but don’t have experience to share about using zooms as an alternative. Good to clear that up.

Like you, my preference for travel (and street) photograph is to work only with primes. Their small size is useful in several ways — less space in the bag, lighter camera/lens combo, and arguably faster to photograph with since you have one less variable to attend to. I think it is useful, too, to use a camera/lens combo that doesn’t
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I never said one was right and one was wrong. I said my preference is to take primes for travel and I stated my reasons. Please refrain from making an essay on something I did not say or even imply.



Mar 02, 2026 at 01:26 PM
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internet dunces

Aka narcissistic influencers. 😄



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p.3 #11 · Have we become obsessed by ever faster lenses


If you have a good 1.2 or 1.4 there's a good chance you'll have an excellent lens at f4.


Mar 02, 2026 at 01:57 PM
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p.3 #12 · Have we become obsessed by ever faster lenses


johnahill wrote:
So......reading various announcements and wishlists for lens releases

Have we become obsessed by faster and faster lenses?

I mean they have a place, great for portraitures, maybe journalism, events and such.

I shoot mainly at f4 and below for landscape and cityscapes, would love to see offerings other than the race for the fastest aperture.

24-135 f4, 135 3.5, 400 5.6 and so on

Am I alone or is everyone in love with 50-150 f2 behemoths?


I think the manufacturers have perhaps become obsessed with ever more expensive lenses

More likely is that manufacturing technology has moved forward enough to make faster lenses much more feasible than they once were, and faster, more expensive lenses are probably more profitable. Plus, the demand must be there. I doubt companies make a lens just because they can. I bet photographers of 30+ years ago would have loved more f/1.2 options, but they just didn't exist.

And then there's the fact that you can make a fast lens slower, but you can't make a slow lens faster. Makes me wonder if manufacturers also follow that premise and opt to fill limited manufacturing capacity with the most versatile (and most profitable) products.

Ultimately I see lenses as a long-term purchase that'll last many bodies (upgrade-itis notwithstanding). and as consumers we really have so many systems and options to choose from that there will be a camera/lens for every eventuality. Just maybe not in your current system of choice.

I bought a 50/1.2 not because I plan to shoot eyelash-thin DoF portraits, but because I preferred how the bokeh looked at f/1.4 and f/1.8 compared to the 50/1.4 and 50/1.8. I generally shoot that lens at 1.4 or 1.8.

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Mar 02, 2026 at 03:54 PM
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p.3 #13 · Have we become obsessed by ever faster lenses


wordfool wrote:
I think the manufacturers have perhaps become obsessed with ever more expensive lenses

More likely is that manufacturing technology has moved forward enough to make faster lenses much more feasible than they once were, and faster, more expensive lenses are probably more profitable. Plus, the demand must be there. I doubt companies make a lens just because they can. I bet photographers of 30+ years ago would have loved more f/1.2 options, but they just didn't exist.


I think there’s some truth to that. Not only has manufacturing technology improved, but right now there may be a greater market of people with enough cash to buy such things.

However, there’s a cloud on the horizon for the mainstream manufacturers of the very expensive lenses. The Chinese camera/optical companies are becoming very, very good and are producing some fine lenses are significantly lower prices. I don’t think it will not* be that long before there’s an effective Chinese competitor to Sony, Canon, and Nikon, producing lenses of equal quality at lower prices.

*EDIT: I left out the critical word “not” when I posted this! Yikes! Fixed now…

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chez wrote:
I never said one was right and one was wrong. I said my preference is to take primes for travel and I stated my reasons. Please refrain from making an essay on something I did not say or even imply.


So you agree with me, Chez? ;-)

And I didn’t say that you said that — I was making that point for folks reading the diverse perspectives in the thread and trying to make sense of them.

I also agree with your personal preference for mostly shooting primes for street/travel. That’s my usual personal preference, too.

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ThatGuy wrote:
They'd figure out (on their own, no less, no help needed from internet dunces),,,


There you go, putting yourself down again… ;-)

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Mar 02, 2026 at 03:57 PM
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You might consider a wider angle f1.4, my 28/1.4 delivers remarkable results partly because it is an f1.4. Not many lenses out there that give you something you have never had access to before. For close work, 21/1.4 even greater image freshness.

It's why I emphasize that such lenses should be small and light - for street and general use. It's a good idea to leave the huge f1.2 optics to those they were made for - pro portraitists.

If you are familiar with the Overton Window, the plethora of f1.4 lenses have moved our lens window towards wider options, such that f1.2 will be seen more frequently from now on.

Yes, optics have benefited hugely from makers developing and using the best glasses and refining asph surfaces. The Chinese are lifting expectations rapidly..



Mar 02, 2026 at 05:42 PM
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I make landscape images. I have no interest in the faster lens race. My fastest prime lenses are f2. My fastest zooms are f2.8 and I wish Sigma would release f4 zooms (at least a F4 24-105 please!)


Mar 03, 2026 at 09:07 AM
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Let me summarize the thread. Nobody actually wants fast lenses, and those who think they do have been persuaded by the internet. So how does anyone even come to the conclusion that "we" could be obsessed with fast lenses?


Mar 03, 2026 at 10:22 AM
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p.3 #17 · Have we become obsessed by ever faster lenses


I'd take a look at that thread recently with everyone's favorite. They were, if I remember right, mostly fast lenses. Myself included. People like what they like. We only run into trouble when we started seeking approval.

Nifty Fifty wrote:
Let me summarize the thread. Nobody actually wants fast lenses, and those who think they do have been persuaded by the internet. So how does anyone even come to the conclusion that "we" could be obsessed with fast lenses?




Mar 03, 2026 at 10:41 AM
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The danger is over-generalizing in an effort to confirm one's own biases.

I do have to laugh, though, every time I see a post on Reddit with someone shooting their first 1.2 lens, wondering why nothing but an eyelash is in focus.



Mar 03, 2026 at 10:45 AM
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So from my perspective. Currently, my AF f1.4 primes mainly come out when I need the low light handling of shallow depth of field of f1.4-f2. If f2.8 is fast enough, I use my f2.8 zooms, and if f4 is fast enough, I use my f4 zooms. If I want MF, or small compact lenses, I use my mainly f2 MF primes.

For travel photography, I find myself mostly gravitating to my f4 zooms, and then I may add a faster prime or 2 (often a MF f2 prime) in case I come into a situation where I want low light or shallow depth of field. The ability to cover a wide rnage such as 24-120mm at f4, with good IQ allows me to take photos quickly and move on instead of spending time switching lenses, or skipping photo opportunities not to deal with switching lenses.

I have been tempted to add some f2 compact AF primes, such as the Sigma I lenses, but I just don't see myself using them often enough. I find a lens like the 28-70mm f2 more interesting as it could definitely replace an f2.8 zoom, and most of my use for my f2 primes, in my bag. I am also someone who is often more concerned about total kit weight than handheld weight. For example, I can walk around for hours holding my 200-600mm lens when taking wildlife photos, but it's not a lens I will put in my bag and walk around with for hours in case I need it.



Mar 03, 2026 at 02:20 PM
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The 28-70mm f2 will be interesting in equal parts to your bank manager and your chiropractor, maybe. Just joking, like it-use it. Autofocus is a prison, for me, I broke out of gaol years ago.

Travel and street have so much overlap, and it's all confusing, by definition. That's the appeal of it. I find two cameras with two primes works a treat, both in easy reach, one in a Lowepro AW bag when not in use but primed and ready to go.

So I do a 28mm sweep with a 35mm or 50mm along; or a 21mm/35mm combo, or 75mm/50mm, you get the idea. All are f1.4 to take advantage of the granular sub-stops f1.7-f2.5 compared with any regular pro zoom. Camera-lens weights around 1000 grams.

Primes sharpen and 'prime' your mind to go deeper in analysis of any composition, because you know what to expect in terms of DOF, in-focus and out-of-focus depths, where to stand/kneel, how lens quirks might arise. It works great for me, but it's so personal, isn't it?

It's the difference between hanging around with a few intimate friends, and dealing with a small crowd (of focal lengths). A 24-120 has 95 focal lengths, many too many for me, I'm afraid. Prime lenses really only become themselves wide open or near to it, it's the essence of their personalities.

At f8 they fall back and start to resemble very good zooms, which are around but downsides spring up everywhere: weight, size, subject-unfriendly, intimacy-robbing, carry issues, large filters - a long list.

So the title is value-laden. We don't enjoy fast lenses because of 'obsession', but because they make great artistic and practical sense, and can do things the slower lenses cannot manage.



Mar 03, 2026 at 06:01 PM
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