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p.1 #1 · Colour meters


I started looking at colour meters, specifically the Minolta colour meters, as I do a lot of ambient light interiors.
Given that we nearly all shoot digital these days, you might think what's the point of a colour meter. But, getting the white balance correct in camera, even when shooting raw, makes things easier in post.
Anyway, whilst looking at the colour meters that are available now, used, and new, Google suggested using an app on my iPhone instead. And so I installed one - Kelvin Meter. And I am extremely impressed. It seems very accurate - certainly accurate enough for my needs. £30 for the app vs a lot more for a dedicated meter.



Feb 13, 2026 at 09:39 AM
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p.1 #2 · Colour meters


Nice price. Note that flash color readings require an actual meter (none too cheap).


Feb 13, 2026 at 01:34 PM
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p.1 #3 · Colour meters


rico wrote:
Nice price. Note that flash color readings require an actual meter (none too cheap).


Yes, but for what I do, ambient readings are perfect. Really pleased I came across the app, as I was about to press the button on an actual meter



Feb 13, 2026 at 02:31 PM
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p.1 #4 · Colour meters


Are the phone app's readings significantly different than your camera's auto WB? Isn't the app just doing the same thing using the phone's camera?


Feb 13, 2026 at 06:10 PM
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jeffbuzz wrote:
Are the phone app's readings significantly different than your camera's auto WB? Isn't the app just doing the same thing using the phone's camera?


Possibly very similar. But it seems quicker to set the camera up on a tripod, line everything up, then walk around taking readings from the scene with my phone, and then inputting that into the kelvin setting in camera, especially given that I have a wide angle lens attached to the camera, which is taking in all sorts of light sources, whereas the phone has a much narrower area that it's taking a reading from.
I guess time will tell. For me, the app is a cheap way to find out.



Feb 15, 2026 at 07:30 AM
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Have you tried just using a white balance target as your first shot in each room, then using it to correct any of the photos of that room in POST ? Now, I always shoot one of these targets, but also just set the camera on "Auto" after first shooting the target. It gives me both ways, so if "Auto WB" isn't perfect, I can always go back and correct it manually using the target shot. I prefer a target with the white / gray / black stripes, so I can check the color level numbers of total white and total black, as well as set it with the gray, so it's kind-of a backup on a backup. The smaller size with only gray one side and whit on the other folds and fits easily in my backpack. The white side makes a good backup reflector for shooting close facial shots. I have a 24" with the three stripes and center target in my studio.

Charley



Feb 15, 2026 at 01:57 PM
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Have you tried just using a white balance target as your first shot in each room, then using it to correct any of the photos of that room in POST ? Now, I always shoot one of these targets, but also just set the camera on "Auto" after first shooting the target. It gives me both ways, so if "Auto WB" isn't perfect, I can always go back and correct it manually using the target shot. I prefer a target with the white / gray / black stripes, so I can check the color level numbers of total white and
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I've ordered a white balance target, so am going to do further tests as I go, and see what I prefer



Feb 15, 2026 at 05:15 PM
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p.1 #8 · Colour meters


jeffbuzz wrote:
Are the phone app's readings significantly different than your camera's auto WB? Isn't the app just doing the same thing using the phone's camera?


The question would be how the phone camera is calibrated. I don't know how the cameras work. Is there some calibration data per phone stored by the Apple that the app accesses to calculate color temperature or does it assume every one is the same?

EBH



Feb 16, 2026 at 07:02 PM
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p.1 #9 · Colour meters


What's the preferred white balance target (gray card) these days?

I've been using a WhiBal G6 for nearly 20 years, and it's beginning to come apart. I purchased a WhiBal G7 in 2011, but I didn't like because it felt flimsy, so I kept using the G6 version, but at this point it really needs to be replaced.



Feb 16, 2026 at 09:54 PM
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EB-1 wrote:
The question would be how the phone camera is calibrated. I don't know how the cameras work. Is there some calibration data per phone stored by the Apple that the app accesses to calculate color temperature or does it assume every one is the same?

EBH


That's a very good question. And I don't know the answer to that one.



Feb 17, 2026 at 09:19 AM
 


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I'm not finding the gray target that I have, but even one of these in this link below will do the job. For these, you just need to fan them out so a good amount of each can be seen. Then take a "Test Shot" of them in the lighting that you will be using, be it flash, constant, or room light. Then use it as a sample for checking the color balance of the shoot that follows in this same light. During post you can set the white balance by sampling the gray card color, or go further and use the black and white cards to assure that what appears to be total black and total white is also correct.

For what I do now, I just depend on my newer cameras "Auto White Balance settings" for most of my work. The better cameras made in the last 10 years or so have managed to get this Auto Setting quite good, and the manual checking and corrections just aren't necessary for most work. It's no longer something to fret over.

But some times you will want an area of your shot to be totally white or totally black, and the lighting during the shot didn't quite make it perfect, let's say it's the background, and you want it to be totally white or black, maybe because of some light spill or improper positioning of one of your lights during the shoot. With the three white balance color cards in the first shot, In POST you can then correct the color of these areas using your color sampling tool, to sample the card of your choice and correct the area of the shot so it's totally black or white. I do this mostly when touching up product and still life shots and it's usually the background that needs the change. The gray is the one that you will mostly be using when setting your camera when manually correcting the white balance of the camera. So all three will be needed at one time or another, and size isn't all that important, as long as you take your "test shot" as your first shot of each shoot where it is easy enough in POST to get a good sample from the photo of it with the sampling tool. It doesn't matter whether it is a 3' X 3' square folding target, or just these three small business card size samples. You will get good results anyway, if you use it right.

The link below just shows these three small cards on a lanyard at a good price, but they are available most anywhere that sells photo gear, but probably at higher prices. I have a set of these too, but rarely use them, probably because I started with the bigger targets and tend to reach for one of them first, but they really aren't necessary. So my spring wire folding targets tend to get used more often. Only the one large spring wire target that I have has the three vertical white, gray, black stripes. The smaller one in my field kit is just gray on one side and white on the other. I open it, hand it to the model, and tell them to hold it in front of them and take the shot. Then usually fold it and put it away. That first shot can then be used in POST if any color corrections are necessary, I have used the white side a few times as a reflector, when doing a few "really close," close-ups in outdoor portrait shoots, All set the gray scale calibration in the camera the same, but Auto Gray Scale in modern good cameras almost eliminates the need for these,, for most of what you will want to shoot, especially if you aren't a Professional Photographer.

If you are not shooting professionally, the cards like in the link below are small, easy to carry, and do the gray scale calibration very well. I have several professional photographer friends that use them. My spring wire gray scale targets are quite old, but still do what I need. I purchased one in 1998 shortly after I went totally digital, then the second when starting to do more studio type shooting, and well before actually building my own photo/video studio, so probably about 20 years ago. These small cards in the link weren't available back then, but large 8 X 10 or so gray cards were, and I have or had some of them at one time too, again many years ago. I think I was using Photoshop 6.0 when I had them, to give you some idea of the ancient photography history that I'm referring to. If this is your first purchase of a gray card to set your camera, just buy a set of cards like these in the link below. They will do all you need, and will be easy to carry in your camera bag. But hanging it around your neck won't make you even look like a Professional Photographer. If we use them at all, it's just for the first shot, so why have I hanging from your neck?

I don't use cell phone cameras, except to take photos of product labels, so I can enlarge them to read them, my great, great grand daughter (3) is tough to catch in an interesting shot unless I happen to be fully ready and holding one of my better cameras when it happens, and the dog that we had always disappeared whenever she saw me holding one of my better cameras, so this kind of shot is when I have used my cell phone camera. It is good for what I sometimes need it for, as it automatically does everything that it can to take a good well lit photo no matter the situation, and that is not the kind of photography that I prefer doing. I always want to control the light levels and where the light falls in my shots, then set the camera manually to get the result that I'm looking for. Cell phone cameras are for the "Point and Shoot" crowd, but mostly not for what I do.

Charley


https://www.amazon.com/Balance-Exposed-Camera-Checker-Calibration/dp/B0GC6K8H2B/ref=sr_1_77?crid=1XXV69HHOB4TO&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.bY4XEb0HubLDlprjw9Vgj4Yh8-YfGSbU7mTC9pss_EE2yZnmj5LaiT15TuOlB5F2w5qSJ3Lh2NBo_hNeopuyUNdclsFb_PIKMQCp6LjIONt3HEV37_LtlJPSUbU_21I-ikPWkfvgvBEUZmpLNkRdaR_o2sKkt9eQHiNEb7R6IQZiEqhCysFanhASuItQGjvP5heyNG6-dRcFGZ_4VfQD8g.C_DEA-bqsLhSolPlHH6iPjrqKd965zWgWNBnJOgtt1g&dib_tag=se&keywords=white+balance+card+photography&qid=1771342466&sprefix=white+balance+card%2Caps%2C214&sr=8-77&xpid=GlcM8YYIIs506



Feb 17, 2026 at 11:55 AM
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p.1 #12 · Colour meters


vbnut wrote:
What's the preferred white balance target (gray card) these days?


I use a ColorChecker Passport Photo 2 - white and gray targets, and of course the 24-patch ColorChecker target to profile any given lighting situation.

Compact, easy to carry and use, and I have some trust that the wb targets are spectrally neutral.



Feb 17, 2026 at 03:04 PM
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CharleyL wrote:
But hanging it around your neck won't make you even look like a Professional Photographer. If we use them at all, it's just for the first shot, so why have I hanging from your neck?


Did it every occur to you that some photographers, professional or not, aren't shooting models in a studio. When shooting outside, the light is constantly changing, especially early in the morning and late in the evening when the light is best for wildlife photography and the wildlife is often the most active. I try to remember to take a white balance calibration shot at the start of an outing, at least hourly thereafter, and at the end of the outing. Hanging the card around me neck helps remind my old brain to take those shots, even though I still forget. I've learned from experience that when it is in my bag, I often forget to use it at all. If I didn't find it so annoying, I would hang it from my camera, but I don't even like having a camera strap on my camera when I'm shooting.



Feb 17, 2026 at 03:58 PM
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@vbnut,

Sorry, you are right. I haven't done all that much outdoor work in several years, so yes there are times outdoors when the light is changing, and if you are using "Manual White Balance", that you will frequently need to check it.

I rarely do outdoor work any more. I'm 84 now and have mostly been working in my studio for the last 6 years, because I'm no longer stable enough on uneven ground to be safe. I acquired two metal knees from a fire fighting accident back in 1976 and as I get older, they aren't nearly as good as the original knees were. But even back when I was doing frequent outdoor shoots, I didn't check or correct the White balance of my cameras all that often, because I've depended on the Auto White Balance mode of my cameras to keep my shots correct. I found that the Auto White Balance in my cameras has worked so well that I've been in the habit of just using that, but I have always been in the habit of shooting the white balance target as the first shot in any photo shoot, and I started doing this shortly after I switched to digital cameras. I have mostly used the target shot as a backup, in case the shots taken just don't seem right when going through them in POST. But then I usually find that if any correction is needed, it's frequently my tired eyes from too many hours of photo editing that are to blame. Auto White Balance with my Canon cameras has worked very well for me when shooting in situations like you described with changing light. My older digital cameras weren't nearly as good.

Charley




Feb 18, 2026 at 09:53 AM
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vbnut wrote:
What's the preferred white balance target (gray card) these days?

I've been using a WhiBal G6 for nearly 20 years, and it's beginning to come apart. I purchased a WhiBal G7 in 2011, but I didn't like because it felt flimsy, so I kept using the G6 version, but at this point it really needs to be replaced.


I always keep this in the bag: https://calibrite.com/us/product/colorchecker-passport-photo-2/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=21779656774&gbraid=0AAAAAoz3ETtnR_EgLMstPUMz5XkEYAtoi&gclid=Cj0KCQiA49XMBhDRARIsAOOKJHaqGWEVXzhpX9uiwDcukkEnrSGX6VyzzYTDENDnWwHg_WQ0Ted_LU8aAiJqEALw_wcB



Feb 18, 2026 at 12:08 PM
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Thanks Charlie.

I do find, when I forget to shoot the white balance target, that Auto White Balance on my R3 and R5II do a good job in "normal" conditions. It's the early morning and late evening light and other tricky situations where it can get confused.

I'm almost 20 year behind you and fortunately still able to be pretty active, but I do feel my body complaining more often than it used to (especially when I overdo it). I've been enjoying wildlife photography for 25 years, and consider it the hobby that I can continue to do, as long as I can still walk, when my other more strenuous hobbies become too much. I'm sorry to hear about your knees, but impressed to learn how you've figured out a way to continuing shooting despite that limitation. It definitely gives me something to think about.



Feb 18, 2026 at 02:12 PM
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" Thanks Charlie.

I do find, when I forget to shoot the white balance target, that Auto White Balance on my R3 and R5II do a good job in "normal" conditions. It's the early morning and late evening light and other tricky situations where it can get confused.

I'm almost 20 year behind you and fortunately still able to be pretty active, but I do feel my body complaining more often than it used to (especially when I overdo it). I've been enjoying wildlife photography for 25 years, and consider it the hobby that I can continue to do, as long as I can still walk, when my other more strenuous hobbies become too much. I'm sorry to hear about your knees, but impressed to learn how you've figured out a way to continuing shooting despite that limitation. It definitely gives me something to think about."



It's that next 20+ years that are the toughest. I consider myself to be "Bionic" now. Yes, "Batteries Are Included", and I have considerable metal and plastic parts all through me.

I'll be going to the hospital this coming Monday to get a lead from my pacemaker re-attached to the muscle inside my heart, so yet another heart surgery (this is #10). 26 years ago I told them to put a zip lock zipper in my chest to make repairs easier for them, but they wouldn't do it. Re-attaching this lead is highly unlikely, and a complete replacement of the lead will be the more likely process, as the leads tend to become part of you and don't pull out once there for several years. It's been functioning poorly for the last 3 years, giving me occasional short periods of near zero energy, and they have been changing the pacemaker program to make it less dependent on the third lead, but it now seems to have become completely disconnected from my heart muscle and my heart rate drops to 43-50 when this lead isn't working. But I'm fine right now and my heart rate is in the 70's, 76 at this very moment. The lead seems to move around, so it works sometimes and sometimes not.

My pacemaker was made by Biotronics, and it "phone's home" every night through a sort of cell phone located on my night stand, to report my daily heart data. My pacemaker and this buttonless cell phone link together via, I think, "Bluetooth" as I lay there sleeping near it. If it sends anything unusual, I get a phone call from my heart surgeon on my cell phone request that I visit my heart group at the hospital. I think they can make pacemaker operating program adjustments while I sleep through this connection, if they need to as well.

Being a lefty, I had them put my pacemaker in my right shoulder, so as to be more able to move my important left arm, even immediately after the pacemaker install. This great idea seems have come back to haunt me, because my heart surgeon says it's more difficult to find a path through my arteries to route this replacement lead into my heart. So both my heart surgeon and I are expecting this to be a more difficult than usual surgery than it might have been if my pacemaker had been located in my left shoulder. Yes, in the last 26 years I have had nine heart surgeries so far, with this one on Monday being #10. The first was a triple bypass and a valve repair. I didn't think that I was going to survive that one because it took me almost 6 months to recover from it. I've now survived cancer twice, knee replacements from a fire fighting accident in 1976, and two auto accidents earlier in my life, plus over the last 20 years, the general ailments that one acquires between the age of 60 and 84 that keep getting worse with age. (The golden years are only for the doctor's pockets). So, if I don't post to this forum by late next week, you will all know the reason why.

Charley



Feb 19, 2026 at 12:54 PM
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pr4photos wrote:
I started looking at colour meters, specifically the Minolta colour meters, as I do a lot of ambient light interiors.
Given that we nearly all shoot digital these days, you might think what's the point of a colour meter. But, getting the white balance correct in camera, even when shooting raw, makes things easier in post.
Anyway, whilst looking at the colour meters that are available now, used, and new, Google suggested using an app on my iPhone instead. And so I installed one - Kelvin Meter. And I am extremely impressed. It seems very accurate - certainly accurate enough for
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What app



Feb 19, 2026 at 09:52 PM
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msadat wrote:
What app


It's called Kelvin Meter



Feb 20, 2026 at 04:58 AM
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pr4photos wrote:
It's called Kelvin Meter


thx, it seems to be some listed on the app store, why did you choose this one?



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