Hi.
I am thinking of getting a GFX 100sii in the not too distant future. At this point I’m not sure if it will be new or used, though market circumstances may decide that for me.
My questions for those more attuned to GFX history than I, are:
1) Historically, has Fujifilm offered rebates on GFX gear in the first quarter of the year?
2) I noticed that the GFX 100sii is out of stock or on back order at multiple retailers now? Does this mean that we can expect an updated GFX 100sii (GFX 100siii?) soon, or is it just an indication of the popularity of the camera (I guess if the latter is true, there would be no need for rebates from Fuji)?
The GFX 100s was released in 2021, and the GFX 100sii was released in 2024 from what I know, so I was thinking that the GFX 100siii probably wouldn’t come until 2027 - maybe with the 180mp sensor (which I definitely don’t need).
Anyway, I know this is probably all just speculation, but I appreciate any insight and opinions from people that follow this stuff more closely than me.
Fuji might offer discounts on a few select GF lenses, but it is very doubtful they will discount the GFX100S II this year, IMHO.
This camera has been subject to periodic stock outages since it was first released, so I would not read anything into it. I agree that 2027 will likely be the first release of the Version III.
For certain, I would buy used on Fred Miranda. That is what I did and got a like-new camera at a substantial discount, plus added accessories, included.
wsu6 wrote:
2) I noticed that the GFX 100sii is out of stock or on back order at multiple retailers now? Does this mean that we can expect an updated GFX 100sii (GFX 100siii?) soon, or is it just an indication of the popularity of the camera (I guess if the latter is true, there would be no need for rebates from Fuji)?
Many Fuji products are on perpetual back-order. It's due more to Fuji's terrible supply chain management than anything else.
For some strange reason, the unavailability of products doesn't seem to stop Fuji's marketing people from offering rebates on them.
SGinNorcal wrote:
Is this a personal opinion or are you involved somehow with Fuji or their supply chain?
I thought it was a matter-of-fact observation.
From my experience: when I decided to add my GFX100S II with the GF20-35mm F4 lens in early December last year, the lens was on sale at something close (or exactly) Canadian $300 less than the regular price. The irony was in that neither the camera nor the lens was available at the stores I knew at that time. I asked a Fuji rep for advice and he directed me, quote: "I would recommend reaching out to Downtown Camera in Toronto. I was just given word that they have one GFX 100SII in stock. The camera body is backordered at the moment with replenishment ETA not expected until after January. I would give them a call ASAP to secure this one for yourself. At that time you can inquire about the lens as well."
I acted quickly, as advised, and successfully secured (snatched?) the camera and lens.
ruthenium wrote:
I thought it was a matter-of-fact observation.
From my experience: when I decided to add my GFX100S II with the GF20-35mm F4 lens in early December last year, the lens was on sale at something close (or exactly) Canadian $300 less than the regular price. The irony was in that neither the camera nor the lens was available at the stores I knew at that time. I asked a Fuji rep for advice and he directed me, quote: "I would recommend reaching out to Downtown Camera in Toronto. I was just given word that they have one GFX 100SII in stock. The camera body is backordered at the moment with replenishment ETA not expected until after January. I would give them a call ASAP to secure this one for yourself. At that time you can inquire about the lens as well."
I acted quickly, as advised, and successfully secured (snatched?) the camera and lens. ...Show more →
That's the tail end of the supply chain, the retailer. I was commenting on Cliff's statement "It's due more to Fuji's terrible supply chain management than anything else". I wonder how he would know this without being directly involved in the industry. The supply chain involves everything used to build the camera. There could be shortages of certain materials used to build the camera or it could be demand outpacing supply or lots of other things. I'm not saying Fuji is doing a good job with supply chain management, just that we don't know enough to make that claim. I've asked two retailers about Gfx stock. One said that they don't stock anything, they order to fulfill customer orders. The other said he uses his personal lenses for display and demo because he doesn't want to carry the high dollar inventory. There's lots of moving parts to all of this, a tightening economic outlook, uncertain tariffs, and price increases doesn't help. There is some poor bastard who gets to forecast sales at Fuji. From my experience in similar situations, that guesswork is very difficult and nobody wants an overstated estimate to build to. Modern companies have initiatives to reduce inventory to reduce cost. With the margins electronics companies work with, that's probably even more intense. I get that everyone wants their stuff when they want it. But you could accurately say that companies with large inventories are those who are poorly managing their supply chain as no companies these days want that situation. We could easily get to a point where specialty cameras like the Gfx are built to order with a 3-4 month lead time. I've been in manufacturing (not electronics) for 35 years and from my point of view, supply chains are managed tighter than ever before. Meaning a blip anywhere causes ripples throughout.
Don't doubt for a second that Fuji raising the price by nearly 15% due to tariffs isn't playing into this. I firmly believe that Fuji knows this camera wasn't doing big numbers, and they were comfortable bumping the price way up and going the way of the X100 line's "limited availability/forced scarcity" route to try and hype up the small quantity they are pushing out.
I also don't believe that worked.
No one is talking about GFX in the wider market anymore, it's all about Hasselblad and the now pretty aggressively priced X2D/X2D II (you can get a new X2D for basically the same price as the 100S II now and a used one for even cheaper than a used S II).
That’s true about the availability of Hasselblad H2D, and the pretty awesome price (relatively speaking) right now…But, the lenses! I could not flesh out lenses for the H2D financially, but have a better chance with the Fuji. If not for that fact, I would have bought an H2D.
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RoamingScott wrote:
Don't doubt for a second that Fuji raising the price by nearly 15% due to tariffs isn't playing into this. I firmly believe that Fuji knows this camera wasn't doing big numbers, and they were comfortable bumping the price way up and going the way of the X100 line's "limited availability/forced scarcity" route to try and hype up the small quantity they are pushing out.
I also don't believe that worked.
No one is talking about GFX in the wider market anymore, it's all about Hasselblad and the now pretty aggressively priced X2D/X2D II (you can get a new X2D for basically the same price as the 100S II now and a used one for even cheaper than a used S II)....Show more →
All good points. Its pretty exciting to see Hassy chase Fuji on camera body pricing, that's good for consumers for sure. As someone who likes a broad selection of lenses, I'm not too tempted to entertain switching with high cost and limited selection. Not to mention developing a vibrant, second hand market. But I'm sure that will change just as Fuji will introduce a new model with a cool feature that we can all argue about not "needing". I think its great for medium format in general to have two serious options.
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wsu6 wrote:
That’s true about the availability of Hasselblad H2D, and the pretty awesome price (relatively speaking) right now…But, the lenses! I could not flesh out lenses for the H2D financially, but have a better chance with the Fuji. If not for that fact, I would have bought an H2D.
Definitely not suggesting Hasselblad over GFX, the lens lineup is pitiful compared, just commenting on the momentum of that side of the market and the fact that DJI has all of it currently.
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I will add my $.02. I have shot Canon slr's and dslr's all my life. 50 years+. My 5DSR's and my Canon EF lenses suit me fine the himpx of the 5DSR suits me well.
I am "up on" the Canon mirrorless bodies. I like himpx and I did not see any IQ change with going to Canon mirrorless and the extra denario even if I just "convert" my EF lenses to R and get a body.
I came into the MF Fuji GFX, GFX100s ii, last year almost to the day. I had no experience in MF shooting or that format. Haasy's have ALWAYS held my interest but money kept me away.
I am still learning the GFX system and personally, I find it very demanding and unforgivable in many instances.
To many menus to wade through and options. That is just my ignorance and does not reflect upon the camera, the system or anyone using the GFX system.
I have got it pretty much set up exactly how I shoot. VERY basic! No fancy stuff in the Menu setup.
I have the GF20-35mm, 45-100mm, 100-200mm GF lenses and an adapter for my Canon EF lenses.
The GF lenses are very nice but a more broad zoom and "IS/OS" along with IBIS would be a great plus for a person that has hand tremors.
I will say this the IBIS of the GFX100sii is fantastic and handles the tremors 100%..so "IS/OS" in the lense may be "overkill".
I found that when I shoot Canon dslrs, mainly the 5DSR, 1Dx, 90D, lenses with IS handle the shake pretty well. I can shoot at shutter speeds that would fail miserably with a dslr.
As far as your questions about the "supply chain", I bought the GF20-35mm f/4 WR R from B&H in December at $500 off from list and they were readily available then. I believe the "tarriff's" had a huge affect/effect on the "Sale" and the availability.
It is "a market driven" economy now and many companies cannot "try" different products to see what will sell or not and they wont loose a lot of money trying that business strategy in that market.
As the song goes.."Money's too tight to mention....." for some any way.
Anything quality made outside the US will be in "short supply" IMHO. But I am olde and I am often wrong at 79!
Good luck.
Dan
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Danpbphoto wrote:
Anything quality made outside the US will be in "short supply" IMHO. But I am olde and I am often wrong at 79!
Good luck.
Dan
I agree with your point. After all, we can all see that the days of your local retailer stocking many different popular cameras is gone. You could probably go as far as saying plentiful inventory is the sign of a poor selling camera. And I don't think rebates are likely to be attached to having excess inventory, simply the desire to sell/build more when demand softens.
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SGinNorcal wrote:
I agree with your point. After all, we can all see that the days of your local retailer stocking many different popular cameras is gone. You could probably go as far as saying plentiful inventory is the sign of a poor selling camera. And I don't think rebates are likely to be attached to having excess inventory, simply the desire to sell/build more when demand softens.
Dan
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Hi Dan,
I wanted to see how you like the GF 100-200 mm lens compared to the 45-100 mm lens as far as quality and sharpness are concerned.
I ordered the 100-200 mm lens brand new from B&H and found the softness very unacceptable. I returned the lens without even ordering a replacement. The reviews on the lens are not great so I would like to know what you think of the lens.
Thanks
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Rejdmast wrote:
Hi Dan,
I wanted to see how you like the GF 100-200 mm lens compared to the 45-100 mm lens as far as quality and sharpness are concerned.
I ordered the 100-200 mm lens brand new from B&H and found the softness very unacceptable. I returned the lens without even ordering a replacement. The reviews on the lens are not great so I would like to know what you think of the lens.
Thanks
Thanks! I shoot raw all the time.
I have not found it to be soft enough to warrant a complaint!....YET... The 45-100 is great also.
I bought the 20-35mm and am finding the focal perspective can get whacky! It "tilts" back or "tilts" to the front in vertical perspective.
It is sharp...see my post on the Fuji GFX forum...
Let me look over my 100-200 posts...there are some posted on the Fuji GFX forum from last year.
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I know the 100-200 question was for Dan but I'll chime in uninvited When I had the 100-200, I also had the Canon EF100-400, Canon EF135/2, Contax 140/2.8, and Contax 210/4 via Fringer adapters. Even with the added hassle of adapters, I almost never chose the 100-200 when grabbing a telephoto. Its kind of flat looking for lack of better words to describe. The EF100-400 has better reach and similar AF performance, EF135 much faster with close AF, the Contax are slower to focus often needing manual tweaks but prettier color rendering, richness, and way better OOF/bokeh. I added the GF1.4x and never took it off but still didn't use it much. At 100, I think the 45-100 is quite a bit better. I sold my 100-200 and got the 110/2 which is an incredible lens. I wish Fuji would build a 140-ish f2.8-ish compatible with the 1.4xTC. That and the 35/1.7 are my Fuji wish list/road map. Maybe throw in a 150-500/5.6 if I'm gonna dream.
When I had the 100-200, I also had the Canon EF100-400, Canon EF135/2, Contax 140/2.8, and Contax 210/4 via Fringer adapters. Even with the added hassle of adapters, I almost never chose the 100-200 when grabbing a telephoto. Its kind of flat looking for lack of better words to describe. The EF100-400 has better reach and similar AF performance, EF135 much faster with close AF, the Contax are slower to focus often needing manual tweaks but prettier color rendering, richness, and way better OOF/bokeh. I added the GF1.4x and never took it off but still didn't use it much. At 100, I think the 45-100 is quite a bit better. I sold my 100-200 and got the 110/2 which is an incredible lens. I wish Fuji would build a 140-ish f2.8-ish compatible with the 1.4xTC. That and the 35/1.7 are my Fuji wish list/road map. Maybe throw in a 150-500/5.6 if I'm gonna dream.