p.1 #1 · Need feedback about using the R5 II electronic shutter and flash please
Hi!
I have been debating going to the R5 ii or R6 iii but one thing that could push me over to the R5 II is that it seems you can use Electronic Shutter with flash. Limited to 1/200?
I use ND filters often to avoid going to HSS and waste flash power so this could be great...aside from other pros like higher res, eye control, fast readout etc.
Any feedback on doing that please...shortcomings?
Thanks
p.1 #2 · Need feedback about using the R5 II electronic shutter and flash please
It's limited to 1/160 because that's about how fast the sensor readout is.
As an R6 and R6II user I debated the R6III but ended up going with the R5II, primarily for its stacked sensor and broader range of usability in e-shutter.
I really like the ability to dial in specific frame rates in continuous shooting. With the R6II, the gap between 20 and 5 fps was annoying so I'd use EFCS, but disliked the blackout and also how it would affect bokeh at really high shutter speeds. With the R5II I can leave it in e-shutter for the vast majority of my work at whatever frame rate I prefer for the situation.
If you need higher than 1/160 sync you can switch to EFCS and get 1/250 before moving into HSS territory.
p.1 #3 · Need feedback about using the R5 II electronic shutter and flash please
1/160 is less useful but still better than not having the option for sure.
Yeah the really good electronic shutter and extra cropping is tempting for sure.
Thanks for the feedback
rscheffler wrote:
It's limited to 1/160 because that's about how fast the sensor readout is.
As an R6 and R6II user I debated the R6III but ended up going with the R5II, primarily for its stacked sensor and broader range of usability in e-shutter.
I really like the ability to dial in specific frame rates in continuous shooting. With the R6II, the gap between 20 and 5 fps was annoying so I'd use EFCS, but disliked the blackout and also how it would affect bokeh at really high shutter speeds. With the R5II I can leave it in e-shutter for the vast majority of my work at whatever frame rate I prefer for the situation.
If you need higher than 1/160 sync you can switch to EFCS and get 1/250 before moving into HSS territory....Show more →
p.1 #4 · Need feedback about using the R5 II electronic shutter and flash please
I have found 1/160 a little troublesome in better lit venues when I'm strobing everything. Particularly if it's spotty in some areas, like sunlight through windows. It's just easier to get ambient ghosting at that shutter speed either due to subject movement or camera shake. It requires a little more care.
HSS does kill strobe output and recycling speed, but it might still be viable if you just need a little boost to 1/250 or 1/400, for example.
On a tangent, I did some testing of HSS with the R5II and R6II. I noticed that shutter speeds around 1/2000 and higher in e-shutter (R5II) and EFCS (both cameras) resulted in subtle banding that became a bit more pronounced the higher the shutter speed. It looked to me like the sensor readout didn't quite mesh with the strobe pulses. The banding was only noticeable in areas of the image with no smaller details to distract from it. Switching to fully mechanical cleared this up.
IMO, the R6III's 33MP is a great 'compromise' resolution for event coverage. It provides more than 24 but isn't excessive like 45 can be for many things I cover. It is nice to have 45 for certain applications and cropping options, but I'm a prolific shooter and it's just crazy how the storage requirements for even simple events has ballooned with the R5II. And I shoot everything in CRAW already. I'd love Canon to add lower resolution FF RAW options, like 33MP, and also 24MP, for all those times 45 is overkill. It would also save some processing time later.
p.1 #5 · Need feedback about using the R5 II electronic shutter and flash please
Yeah I avoid EFCS all the time. Its either electronic or normal shutter for me.
Thanks for the feedback
rscheffler wrote:
I have found 1/160 a little troublesome in better lit venues when I'm strobing everything. Particularly if it's spotty in some areas, like sunlight through windows. It's just easier to get ambient ghosting at that shutter speed either due to subject movement or camera shake. It requires a little more care.
HSS does kill strobe output and recycling speed, but it might still be viable if you just need a little boost to 1/250 or 1/400, for example.
On a tangent, I did some testing of HSS with the R5II and R6II. I noticed that shutter speeds around 1/2000 and higher in e-shutter (R5II) and EFCS (both cameras) resulted in subtle banding that became a bit more pronounced the higher the shutter speed. It looked to me like the sensor readout didn't quite mesh with the strobe pulses. Switching to fully mechanical cleared this up.
IMO, the R6III's 33MP is a great 'compromise' resolution for event coverage. It provides more than 24 but isn't excessive like 45 can be for many things I cover. It is nice to have 45 for certain applications and cropping options, but I'm a prolific shooter and it's just crazy how the storage requirements for even simple events has ballooned with the R5II. And I shoot everything in CRAW already. I'd love Canon to add lower resolution FF RAW options, like 33MP, and also 24MP, for all those times 45 is overkill. It would also save some processing time later....Show more →
p.1 #6 · Need feedback about using the R5 II electronic shutter and flash please
The R5II's faster readout also means that e-shutter under artificial lighting doesn't run into the same banding problems that the 6-series cameras can. I have yet to see e-shutter banding in indoor settings with standard 60Hz residential/commercial lighting fixtures and high shutter speeds. For me it was a pretty big deal because it meant I could use e-shutter practically all the time.
p.1 #7 · Need feedback about using the R5 II electronic shutter and flash please
GabrielPhoto wrote:
Hi!
I have been debating going to the R5 ii or R6 iii but one thing that could push me over to the R5 II is that it seems you can use Electronic Shutter with flash. Limited to 1/200?
I use ND filters often to avoid going to HSS and waste flash power so this could be great...aside from other pros like higher res, eye control, fast readout etc.
Any feedback on doing that please...shortcomings?
Thanks
Yes NDs are about 2 stops better than HSS, but NDs still waste so much flash power it’s ridiculous.
My 3 stop ND wastes light equivalent to the difference between a small 75ws speedlight and a 3.5Kg 600ws strobe!
The 6 stop ND is the difference between one 75ws speedlight and 8 units of 600ws strobes…
This is why David Hobby (Strobist) used the X100 which has a leaf shutter, and he could avoid NDs and HSS with it
These days we can do even better with global shutter on the A9iii. I was shooting some kids portraits beating the sun at f/1.4, ~1/8000s. Even at 5-10fps it’s just crazy that the AA battery speedlight just kept firing like a champ. I could get hundreds of shots in one burst easy.
Previously I would use a 3-6 stop ND with lithium battery strobes and only get one shot before having to wait for them to recharge. Too many shots are missed because the strobes are recharging.
However note that there’s still limitations using a 75ws speedlight. It’s great when shooting f/1.4 and high shutter speeds but if you need to shoot a studio shot at f/8 and low shutter speeds then the strobes are better because a small aperture is just like a ND filter in the way it eats the light from the strobe
I am pretty sure you will see limitations on the R5ii (1/168s readout) because I see limitations on the A1 (1/250s readout) which is a considerably faster camera.
Firstly, at higher shutter speeds and HSS I see banding and partially dark frames on the A1. This is simply the physics of shooting a flickering light source with a rolling shutter. There is nothing that can be done
Secondly HSS an NDs means you need to carry a much larger strobe because of how much flash power you are throwing away.
p.1 #9 · Need feedback about using the R5 II electronic shutter and flash please
aCuria wrote:
Yes NDs are about 2 stops better than HSS, but NDs still waste so much flash power it’s ridiculous.
My 3 stop ND wastes light equivalent to the difference between a small 75ws speedlight and a 3.5Kg 600ws strobe!
The 6 stop ND is the difference between one 75ws speedlight and 8 units of 600ws strobes…
This is why David Hobby (Strobist) used the X100 which has a leaf shutter, and he could avoid NDs and HSS with it
These days we can do even better with global shutter on the A9iii. I was shooting some kids portraits beating the sun at f/1.4, ~1/8000s. Even at 5-10fps it’s just crazy that the AA battery speedlight just kept firing like a champ. I could get hundreds of shots in one burst easy.
Previously I would use a 3-6 stop ND with lithium battery strobes and only get one shot before having to wait for them to recharge. Too many shots are missed because the strobes are recharging.
However note that there’s still limitations using a 75ws speedlight. It’s great when shooting f/1.4 and high shutter speeds but if you need to shoot a studio shot at f/8 and low shutter speeds then the strobes are better because a small aperture is just like a ND filter in the way it eats the light from the strobe
I am pretty sure you will see limitations on the R5ii (1/168s readout) because I see limitations on the A1 (1/250s readout) which is a considerably faster camera.
Firstly, at higher shutter speeds and HSS I see banding and partially dark frames on the A1. This is simply the physics of shooting a flickering light source with a rolling shutter. There is nothing that can be done
Secondly HSS an NDs means you need to carry a much larger strobe because of how much flash power you are throwing away.
Luckily my style of shooting I prefer to have the OFC as close as possible to the model/clients and remove in post most of the time so I can usually get away with a smaller strobe like an AD300 even with HSS, so in my case, mostly I love to NOT use mechanical shutter when possible, for peace of mind mainly terms of resell value, possible failure while on the field (although I bring a 2nd camera just in case).
Yes a Global Shutter would be nice for sure but I can imagine it will take a long time for Canon to do that and the price....
So far using ND is enough top save me the amount of power to keep my AD600 most of the time in the car.
So looks like the R5 ii main advantages for me would be extra res, eye control (if I use it), and higher res EVF.
Faster readout is great, but for the type of action I have been doing , even the readout of the R6 ii has been good enough.
