p.1 #1 · Would you be comfortable using the Canon R6 III’s e-shutter?
I know I’ll have to use the mechanical shutter if I want the maximum image quality. However, I prefer using the e-shutter when possible since it’s silent, has no possibility of shutter shock, and fast fps if I need it. I don’t have a specific genre that I shoot, but maybe mostly travel, landscape, and portrait. Is the R6 III’s e-shutter only 12-bit RAW even if I shoot an auto exposure bracket?
At this price point, I would prefer the new A7 V. It has a very impressive new sensor, but what draws me back to Canon is the 14-35mm f/4 lens and open-gate 7K RAW videos. It’s unfortunate that Canon still hasn’t narrowed the gap with Sony in sensor technology, but I don’t think Canon’s sensor is all too bad even if it’s not state-of-the-art.
p.1 #2 · Would you be comfortable using the Canon R6 III’s e-shutter?
I can solve all of your your worries with one simple solution: Whatever setting you were going to dial in on an A7V, take 1/3 of a stop out of ISO. Now your Canon R6III is the same.
It may be helpful to look at both cameras in ES versus a 5DSr. Other than a small area between 400 - 800 ISO, both cameras still have more DR than the older DSLR. DR was hardly an issue for people using that body, so I think you should be plenty comfortable with what either camera provides.
p.1 #3 · Would you be comfortable using the Canon R6 III’s e-shutter?
If your concern is DR, the graphs atPhotons to Photos suggest that the two cameras in e-shutter have very similar DR performance. The a7V though is apparently much better in mechanical shutter.
p.1 #4 · Would you be comfortable using the Canon R6 III’s e-shutter?
lsquare wrote:
It’s unfortunate that Canon still hasn’t narrowed the gap with Sony in sensor technology, but I don’t think Canon’s sensor is all too bad even if it’s not state-of-the-art.
But it is state of the art, just maybe in different ways.
Canon has developed the highest performance FSI sensors in existence, having faster readout performance than any others, bearing in mind that each imaging pixel is actually two photo wells (dual pixel). This sensor tech also lets Canon acquire focus over 100% of the frame.
And the dynamic range is no slouch for an FSI design. In e-shutter mode, even at 12-bit recording, Canon's new sensor is still within a half stop of the Sony's dynamic range, despite the later camera's 14-bit recording advantage.
Yes, if absolute dynamic range is everything to you, then the a7 V is superior, particularly in mechanical shutter. But, if you don't lift shadows by 6 stops, you will likely never see this difference in practical shooting.
To me, there are other factors equally if not more important, such as ergonomics. In my (perhaps biased) view, Canon wins that contest hands down.
p.1 #5 · Would you be comfortable using the Canon R6 III’s e-shutter?
I'm a Sony shooter, but unless absolute dynamic range performance was the primary concern, I wouldn't give a second thought to the R6iii's sensor performance. If you shoot high dynamic range situations where DR is absolutely critical, then buy the Sony. Otherwise, if I shot Canon, I'd be pretty happy with the R6iii. There was a time when Canon was legitimately, noticeably behind Sony in DR, but it's been a long time now (I believe the 5Div was the first step in resolving the DR gap), and even then, there were many great pics taken with the 5Diii (and previous).
p.1 #6 · Would you be comfortable using the Canon R6 III’s e-shutter?
lsquare wrote:
I know I’ll have to use the mechanical shutter if I want the maximum image quality. However, I prefer using the e-shutter when possible since it’s silent, has no possibility of shutter shock, and fast fps if I need it. I don’t have a specific genre that I shoot, but maybe mostly travel, landscape, and portrait. Is the R6 III’s e-shutter only 12-bit RAW even if I shoot an auto exposure bracket?
At this price point, I would prefer the new A7 V. It has a very impressive new sensor, but what draws me back to Canon is the 14-35mm f/4 lens and open-gate 7K RAW videos. It’s unfortunate that Canon still hasn’t narrowed the gap with Sony in sensor technology, but I don’t think Canon’s sensor is all too bad even if it’s not state-of-the-art.
For landscape, silent, and fast fps does not matter. I usually shoot AEB on tripod for this so dynamic range is not a challenge. All that's left to worry about is shutter shock. Using EFCS should manage this. I set up my camera to use EFCS for landscape (c1) on a tripod.
Travel I would use electronic. Its quieter. You are not on a tripod so there will be natural reduced effective mpx by your motion and your body holding it will shield some of the shutter shock. I set up c2 as my travel landscape mode. Electronic, fast fps, aeb, so I have choices (blending, different exposure).
Portrait - is a really two genres as well. On the tripod, with lighting set up, I would use efcs for higher dynamic range. Hand held I would use electronic and faster fps for a burst to choose from.
For landscape and portrait there is not much need of higher sensor quality. It's wildlife and sports where it matters. But I have yet to see much advantage of Sony over Canon except perhaps in rolling shutter which cure (faster read from stacked) causes lower dynamic range.
p.1 #7 · Would you be comfortable using the Canon R6 III’s e-shutter?
Scott Stoness wrote:
For landscape, silent, and fast fps does not matter. I usually shoot AEB on tripod for this so dynamic range is not a challenge. All that's left to worry about is shutter shock. Using EFCS should manage this. I set up my camera to use EFCS for landscape (c1) on a tripod.
Travel I would use electronic. Its quieter. You are not on a tripod so there will be natural reduced effective mpx by your motion and your body holding it will shield some of the shutter shock. I set up c2 as my travel landscape mode. Electronic, fast fps, aeb, so I have choices (blending, different exposure).
Portrait - is a really two genres as well. On the tripod, with lighting set up, I would use efcs for higher dynamic range. Hand held I would use electronic and faster fps for a burst to choose from.
For landscape and portrait there is not much need of higher sensor quality. It's wildlife and sports where it matters. But I have yet to see much advantage of Sony over Canon except perhaps in rolling shutter which cure (faster read from stacked) causes lower dynamic range....Show more →
Those are some good points. I’m assuming shooting videos, even with Sony, is 12-bit? Too bad Sony can’t even shoot RAW videos. Shockingly, Sony isn’t as innovative these days compared to a decade ago. I get that Canon and Nikon are playing catch-up in a way. The R6 III is providing a lot of value. I’m guessing you’ll have no qualms using the e-shutter exclusively?
p.1 #8 · Would you be comfortable using the Canon R6 III’s e-shutter?
lsquare wrote:
Those are some good points. I’m assuming shooting videos, even with Sony, is 12-bit? Too bad Sony can’t even shoot RAW videos. Shockingly, Sony isn’t as innovative these days compared to a decade ago. I get that Canon and Nikon are playing catch-up in a way. The R6 III is providing a lot of value. I’m guessing you’ll have no qualms using the e-shutter exclusively?
The qualms are reduced dynamic range by a stop at low iso but not much at high and too many pictures to cull - so mostly no.
p.1 #9 · Would you be comfortable using the Canon R6 III’s e-shutter?
This is a perfect reply. I wouldn't go with the Sony over the R6 iii
garyvot wrote:
But it is state of the art, just maybe in different ways.
Canon has developed the highest performance FSI sensors in existence, having faster readout performance than any others, bearing in mind that each imaging pixel is actually two photo wells (dual pixel). This sensor tech also lets Canon acquire focus over 100% of the frame.
And the dynamic range is no slouch for an FSI design. In e-shutter mode, even at 12-bit recording, Canon's new sensor is still within a half stop of the Sony's dynamic range, despite the later camera's 14-bit recording advantage.
Yes, if absolute dynamic range is everything to you, then the a7 V is superior, particularly in mechanical shutter. But, if you don't lift shadows by 6 stops, you will likely never see this difference in practical shooting.
To me, there are other factors equally if not more important, such as ergonomics. In my (perhaps biased) view, Canon wins that contest hands down....Show more →
p.1 #10 · Would you be comfortable using the Canon R6 III’s e-shutter?
GabrielPhoto wrote:
This is a perfect reply. I wouldn't go with the Sony over the R6 iii
Thanks. I feared I may have sounded like a Canon brand warrior, haha.
I just think that conversation around sensor design is more nuanced today than it was in the past, and it can no longer be definitively said that one brand is superior across the board. Canon sensors have been competitive since the 5D Mark IV.
