p.2 #1 · Will the new Sony A7v be comparable to a used Sony A1 for bird photography?
Thank you everyone for the responses. After much deliberation, I bought the A7V. I was heavily leaning towards the A1 initially, but then I thought that I will probably be using the A7V for the next 3 to 4 years and since it is currently new, Sony will be releasing firmware upgrades over the next few years to enhance existing features and probably give it newer ones. I will receive the camera next week and will try it out as soon as I get the chance.
p.2 #2 · Will the new Sony A7v be comparable to a used Sony A1 for bird photography?
I have the A7V and made the same decision as the OP here between A1 used vs a7v ..Since Lightroom doesn't support all raw from A7V , can you confirm that only Lossless Compressed is supported ?
I see on Lightroom the profile shows "Embedded" sometimes and the picture cannot be edited ..So I have been shooting JPEG and Lossless Compressed .
Thanks
p.2 #3 · Will the new Sony A7v be comparable to a used Sony A1 for bird photography?
why is everyone even thinking about this, no on the net has even posted any ES shutter images compared to any cameras like the a7iv or A1 at hi iso. Its got to be the biggest marketing trick in history to hush all the comparrision images from review sites. Id wait for Cine D tests before any decission is made.
p.2 #4 · Will the new Sony A7v be comparable to a used Sony A1 for bird photography?
A74me wrote:
why is everyone even thinking about this, no on the net has even posted any ES shutter images compared to any cameras like the a7iv or A1 at hi iso. Its got to be the biggest marketing trick in history to hush all the comparrision images from review sites. Id wait for Cine D tests before any decission is made.
p.2 #5 · Will the new Sony A7v be comparable to a used Sony A1 for bird photography?
Imagemaster wrote:
Yeah, big marketing trick.
Dustin abbott just posted his review and tested the shadow recovery at 4 stops and the a7iv was tested at 5, He has joined the rest of the review sites, didnt even go "near" electronic shutter. want 30 frames per sec you pay the price. he even said the r6iii was better than the mechanical shutter on the a7v. so there you go.
p.2 #6 · Will the new Sony A7v be comparable to a used Sony A1 for bird photography?
Getting a pre capture in a mid price Sony camera is a deal breaker. All the other differences are relatively minor compared to not getting the shot because of being half a second late.
p.2 #7 · Will the new Sony A7v be comparable to a used Sony A1 for bird photography?
A74me wrote:
Dustin abbott just posted his review and tested the shadow recovery at 4 stops and the a7iv was tested at 5, He has joined the rest of the review sites, didnt even go "near" electronic shutter. want 30 frames per sec you pay the price. he even said the r6iii was better than the mechanical shutter on the a7v. so there you go.
So what? This thread is about the A7V & the A1.
Many want the pre-capture that the A7V has and the A1 does not have. Better shadow recovery and 30fps does not mean squat if you don't get the shot that pre-capture would have got.
p.2 #8 · Will the new Sony A7v be comparable to a used Sony A1 for bird photography?
I am definitely waiting to see more reviews, but personally, the a7v interests me even more than a used a1 at this point, between pre capture, low ISO dynamic range (with the mechanical shutter), possibly better subject detection, better IBIS, and better colors.
For BIF, I have successfully taken BIF photos with my a7rIV, my thinking is that the a7v should be better in every way with its mechanical shutter for BIF, and then when conditions are right, I can switch to the electronic shutter, which is almost unusable on the a7rIV. So the a7v would be close to having two cameras in one. Now I just need to convince myself that 33mp is enough after all the years of 40mp + cameras.
p.2 #9 · Will the new Sony A7v be comparable to a used Sony A1 for bird photography?
DWOfPaul wrote:
I am definitely waiting to see more reviews, but personally, the a7v interests me even more than a used a1 at this point, between pre capture, low ISO dynamic range (with the mechanical shutter), possibly better subject detection, better IBIS, and better colors.
Photons To Photos shows the a7v electronic shutter as having a similar dynamic range to the a1ii with electronic shutter, so I doubt there will be any major surprises in high ISO image quality:
But, but you could be part of a marketing trick:
A74me wrote:
......... the biggest marketing trick in history to hush all the comparrision images from review sites.
p.2 #10 · Will the new Sony A7v be comparable to a used Sony A1 for bird photography?
Imagemaster wrote:
But, but you could be part of a marketing trick:
seriously not one review site has posted comparrision images. Gerald undone said he wont be testing any more cameras after the BS with the a7v, after Dustin Abbotts review i can see it was overseen by sony. not good, I have the a7iv and a6700 wont be needing any better than that for 10 years, there is no more advancement. I dont shoot birds and never have, why would you want crappy DR in ES when birds are shot at high iso and 30 frames is only in electronic shutter 🤔🤨doesnt make sense. Video, the a6700 is better.
p.2 #11 · Will the new Sony A7v be comparable to a used Sony A1 for bird photography?
A74me wrote:
seriously not one review site has posted comparrision images. Gerald undone said he wont be testing any more cameras after the BS with the a7v, after Dustin Abbotts review i can see it was overseen by sony. not good, I have the a7iv and a6700 wont be needing any better than that for 10 years, there is no more advancement. I dont shoot birds and never have, why would you want crappy DR in ES when birds are shot at high iso and 30 frames is only in electronic shutter 🤔🤨doesnt make sense. Video, the a6700 is better.
Then don't buy one. I don't care and neither does Sony.
p.2 #12 · Will the new Sony A7v be comparable to a used Sony A1 for bird photography?
A74me wrote:
Gerald undone said he wont be testing any more cameras after the BS with the a7v
Where did you see this? My impression from watching the review was Gerald said cameras are so good now, we basically don't need reviews anymore, just pick a current gen camera from any brand and you're basically good to go.
p.2 #13 · Will the new Sony A7v be comparable to a used Sony A1 for bird photography?
People get excellent photos with every camera released but feel the need to justify an “upgrade”. Feels like insecurity, boredom or shopping addiction…or all 3.
DWOfPaul wrote:
Where did you see this? My impression from watching the review was Gerald said cameras are so good now, we basically don't need reviews anymore, just pick a current gen camera from any brand and you're basically good to go.
p.2 #14 · Will the new Sony A7v be comparable to a used Sony A1 for bird photography?
KarmaKramer wrote:
People get excellent photos with every camera released but feel the need to justify an “upgrade”. Feels like insecurity, boredom or shopping addiction…or all 3.
My gut is we may be currently reaching a plateau in camera development, but camera and sensor technology will keep advancing. Maybe it will be stacked sensors with better dynamic range and lower prices, maybe it will be global shutter sensors, maybe it will be a full color sensor like foveon, but I doubt cameras will completely stop improving.
Which brings us to the upgrade cycle. If you are a professional photographer or a serious amateur with a good amount of money already tied up in photo gear, you're going to want to get the best quality photos out of your gear. Sure, my D800e can still take some great photos, but I can't deny my Z8 is better in basically every way and increases my odds of getting great photos in the first place. Personally, I don't update every camera cycle, and have yet to buy a flagship body, but I do like to keep an eye on camera reviews to see when it's worth updating. For example, the a7v interests me as a possible upgrade of my a7riv for everything that's not landscapes, but if I find things in the reviews I don't think would work well for me, I will just keep waiting for the a7rvi.
p.2 #15 · Will the new Sony A7v be comparable to a used Sony A1 for bird photography?
I shoot sports professionally but other venues are just for enjoyment. On the sports side the upgrade cycle has hit twice. In 2019 I did the big switch from using Canon for 25 years to Sony. In 2022 I upgraded 2 A9's to 2 A1's which was a significant improvement. Still have a single A9 that is used when as a third body is required. The upgrade to the A1's was two fold. Definite AF & tracking improvements for sports and they allowed me to off load the a7RIV & a7RIII which I had been using for landscape work. The A1's have since served dual purpose. I bypassed the a9II & III. While I'm aware of the improvements the Sony A1-II has, I'm not yet convinced there is enough there to warrant upgrading my A1's.
p.2 #17 · Will the new Sony A7v be comparable to a used Sony A1 for bird photography?
DWOfPaul wrote:
Where did you see this? My impression from watching the review was Gerald said cameras are so good now, we basically don't need reviews anymore, just pick a current gen camera from any brand and you're basically good to go.
Watch other utubers comments on the subject, its as plain as day.
p.2 #18 · Will the new Sony A7v be comparable to a used Sony A1 for bird photography?
Feels like you haven't tried new tech.
Insecurity? In a hobby? Why would anyone care?
Quality of life improvements add FUN to what is for thr vast majority, a hobby. For example, silent, vibration free, blackout free shooting is just pure joy. Faster startup time, pre-capture. It all adds to fun.
KarmaKramer wrote:
People get excellent photos with every camera released but feel the need to justify an “upgrade”. Feels like insecurity, boredom or shopping addiction…or all 3.
p.2 #19 · Will the new Sony A7v be comparable to a used Sony A1 for bird photography?
Hi All,
After I briefly tried the A1 a year ago, I decided to get an A1II, assuming that the AF will be significantly better due to the AI chip, and more or less on par with the Canon R5II. With AF here I’m referring to expected upgrades in subject recognition, as in general I felt the A1 was already pretty good in tracking and acquiring subjects, particular birds in this case, for a camera of this age.
My biggest disappointment with the A1II, after using it with birds in flight, now is, that there is not such a thing as being on par with the newest Canon subject recognition. Everything else is fantastic, but here I’m pretty much disappointed.
So based on this experiences, I would rather get the used A1, unless you want pre-capture or the flippy screen. The A1 is an amazing camera, which was way ahead of its time, and the sensor, overall responsiveness, and technical capability is an absolutely awesome value now.
I’m making the switch to Canon now as I do not want to wait until Sony decides to update the software or sell me another 7kUS$ body to do what the R5II does for half the price.
p.2 #20 · Will the new Sony A7v be comparable to a used Sony A1 for bird photography?
Toertel76 wrote:
Hi All,
After I briefly tried the A1 a year ago, I decided to get an A1II, assuming that the AF will be significantly better due to the AI chip, and more or less on par with the Canon R5II. With AF here I’m referring to expected upgrades in subject recognition, as in general I felt the A1 was already pretty good in tracking and acquiring subjects, particular birds in this case, for a camera of this age.
My biggest disappointment with the A1II, after using it with birds in flight, now is, that there is not such a thing as being on par with the newest Canon subject recognition. Everything else is fantastic, but here I’m pretty much disappointed.
So based on this experiences, I would rather get the used A1, unless you want pre-capture or the flippy screen. The A1 is an amazing camera, which was way ahead of its time, and the sensor, overall responsiveness, and technical capability is an absolutely awesome value now.
I’m making the switch to Canon now as I do not want to wait until Sony decides to update the software or sell me another 7kUS$ body to do what the R5II does for half the price....Show more →
buy the a6700 and it will be 1/10 the price with great tracking why settle for 1/2 😁
..Since Lightroom doesn't support all raw from A7V , can you confirm that only Lossless Compressed is supported ? 