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https://www.sfgate.com/national-parks/article/utah-secret-meeting-national-parks-21226077.php

Yeah, that is exactly what we need. The entrance to the Narrows is nearly impossible around lunch these days. Perhaps they can take a page out of NTHS' book and build a metered on ramp. When the app indicates congestion the ramp meter turns on and charges congestion pricing. It also allows a dozen hot dog vendors to set up shop along the banks of the river. Since the goal of the exercise is to bring in more revenue, might as well build a Michelin star restaurant at the top of Angels Landing and a chair lift to take patrons up.

I stopped going to most National parks years ago due to over crowding. My sense is that we are at the peak of the post Covid visitation bubble and 5 years from now the Insta crowds would have moved on to a new fetish somewhere in the "Stans" and visitation will normalize.



Dec 06, 2025 at 12:29 PM
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Everyone has the same right to go as everyone else. If it does not meet your needs, don’t go. I have stopped going to Banff park during the high season just because of the over crowding. I live 4 hours away and used to go on a Friday afternoon on a whim and get to camp at Lake Louise…now you have to plan months in advance just to get a place to camp. I just stopped going…rather there are many other great places to visit.


Dec 06, 2025 at 01:07 PM
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chez wrote:
Everyone has the same right to go as everyone else. If it does not meet your needs, don’t go.


Absolutely agree with this, like you I don't go to Zion and Arches anymore, and have not been to Yosemite in nearly 20 years. But that was not the point of my post... or at least not the intended point.

Apparently the reason for the meeting was to find ways to increase visitation for the express purpose of increasing commercial activity in and around the park. Many scenic places suffer from over-visitation and have restricted access. Almost every trail in the High Sierra is on a permit system during high season. So are Yosemite, The Wave, South Coyote Buttes, the multi-day Narrows hike, and now Arches.

The stated mission of the National Park Service is


to preserve the natural and cultural resources and values of the National Park System for the enjoyment, education, and inspiration of present and future generations, while also extending these benefits of conservation and outdoor recreation nationwide and globally. This involves safeguarding historic sites, natural wonders, and sharing America's story, balancing preservation with public access and enjoyment


Limiting visitation to "balance preservation with public access" is an imminently sensible thing. It is not their job to ensure that the hotels overbuilt right up the entrance of the park operate at maximum capacity.




Dec 06, 2025 at 10:16 PM
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When my Dad was a kid (born in 1938) his family and another family would vacation in Yosemite. As both Dads worked for LA Water and Power, they would go up, setup camp and stay a week. Then the Dads would head back to LA for two weeks, come back for another week, and then all head back home. No reservations. Just pull up and camp for four straight weeks. In the summer. At Yosemite. I've seen the photographic evidence.

Times have changed everywhere.



Dec 08, 2025 at 10:53 PM
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Todd Warnke wrote:
When my Dad was a kid (born in 1938) his family and another family would vacation in Yosemite. As both Dads worked for LA Water and Power, they would go up, setup camp and stay a week. Then the Dads would head back to LA for two weeks, come back for another week, and then all head back home. No reservations. Just pull up and camp for four straight weeks. In the summer. At Yosemite. I've seen the photographic evidence.

Times have changed everywhere.


I"ve been going to Yosemite since I was about 5 years old, right after my parents moved to California from the Midwest.

I started backpacking in the Sierra when I turned 16. Back then you just showed up, parked your car, and started hiking – no check-in, no permits. When permits were first established, the story was that the were only collecting information and that they would never charge for permits or use them to restrict your access. (Promises not kept!)

The first few years of the permit system, I didn't bother since I'd been used to backpacking without them. Then one summer a polite backcountry ranger asked me for a permit and I explained that I didn't have one and why. He politely (really) told me that the NPS was going to start enforcing soon, and that there would be fines — so I started getting them.

Back then you'd arrive at the nearest ranger station, tell them the entry and exit trailheads and give them dates, and you were set. The whole notion of backpacking was the freedom to show up and to go where your feet took you, and at least that system allowed that approach.

Then, maybe a decade or a bit longer ago a threshold was crossed. I went to a ranger station to get my permit and the ranger (nice guy, and sort of apologetic) asked me, "where are you going/" I pointed to a valley on his map and said, "there." He replied, "but where will you camp?" "Well," I said,"I'm kind of thinking that one of these 3-4 lakes look infesting, so in that area." "Which lake?," he replied. I had no idea. I had not been there before. I pointed at one on the map and he seemed happy.

I understand how and (somewhat) why this has happened, but it is sad for those of us who remember a different time.

As to Utah, like Groovy, I mostly stay away from the national parks — or if I'm going to one of them, I make it at the least busy time I can find... and preferable in a less busy area of one of the less busy parks.

If you know your park, there are usually ways to get more access than you might expect . That's all I'll say. :-)



Dec 08, 2025 at 11:43 PM
 


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Exactly—access has tightened because large tour operators flood the system with group bookings sold as “once‑in‑a‑lifetime” trips. By working with park executives and concessionaires, these groups often lock in prime‑time lodging and permits outside the normal reservation queue. What’s left for the general public during peak seasons is a scatter of unpredictable, hit‑or‑miss slots.

At the same time, rangers’ rising complaints about property damage and minor violations are largely symptoms of overcrowding. When parks are effectively overbooked, fragile areas get worn down, tensions rise, and small rule breaks multiply—driving away people who simply wanted a quiet, respectful experience.

This is what Chat finds when you ask the question what park rangers say about this;

Rangers’ take (common themes they report)
- Overcrowding strains everything: trail erosion, “social trails,” trampling of vegetation, litter and human waste, wildlife habituation, illegal parking, and more search‑and‑rescue calls.
- Visitor experience suffers: gridlock, long lines, noise, and conflicts make it harder to find solitude.
- Staff burnout: more incidents and medical/SAR calls with the same or fewer personnel.
- Commercial pressure: large groups arriving at once can overwhelm small sites if not staggered or capped.

Solutions rangers and park managers commonly use or advocate
- Timed-entry and reservations
- Time-slot entry to spread demand (e.g., Arches, Yosemite, Glacier corridors).
- Parking or trailhead reservations at hotspots to prevent choke points.
- Quotas and group-size limits
- Wilderness permits, daily trail quotas, and smaller max group sizes.
- Tighter caps/conditions on Commercial Use Authorizations (CUAs) for tour operators; require staggered entry times and guide training.
- Shuttle systems and car restrictions
- Shuttle-only corridors (e.g., Zion) or seasonal road closures to reduce congestion and illegal parking.
- Education and compliance
- Stronger Leave No Trace education, multilingual signage, and pre‑trip planning info.
- More rangers or volunteers at trailheads for on-the-spot guidance and compliance.
- Real-time information
- Live webcams, congestion dashboards, and push alerts so visitors can redirect to less-crowded areas or times.
- Seasonal/area closures and restoration
- Temporary closures to protect wildlife or repair damage; habitat restoration and social-trail rehab.
- Demand management
- Incentives for shoulder-season or off-peak visits; spreading use to lesser-known areas where appropriate.
- Enforcement
- Clear consequences for off-trail travel in sensitive zones, feeding wildlife, littering, drone use, etc.




Dec 11, 2025 at 09:01 AM
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p.1 #7 · More visitors for Utah's national parks?


Maybe as "Baby Boomers" we did too good of a job passing on our love of wild places to our kids and their kids?


Dec 12, 2025 at 01:08 AM
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p.1 #8 · More visitors for Utah's national parks?


GroovyGeek wrote:
https://www.sfgate.com/national-parks/article/utah-secret-meeting-national-parks-21226077.php

Yeah, that is exactly what we need. The entrance to the Narrows is nearly impossible around lunch these days. Perhaps they can take a page out of NTHS' book and build a metered on ramp. When the app indicates congestion the ramp meter turns on and charges congestion pricing. It also allows a dozen hot dog vendors to set up shop along the banks of the river. Since the goal of the exercise is to bring in more revenue, might as well build a Michelin star restaurant at the top of Angels Landing and a chair lift to take patrons
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I'm a two hour drive from the Grand Canyon. Most people flock to the main overlooks. Unless I'm doing sunrise or sunset I tend to stay away from those main overlooks like Mather or some of the overlooks on Hermits Rest Rd. I know of a few places to get away from the crowds. But they are now becoming more known.



Dec 12, 2025 at 08:36 AM
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AZHeaven wrote:
I'm a two hour drive from the Grand Canyon. Most people flock to the main overlooks. Unless I'm doing sunrise or sunset I tend to stay away from those main overlooks like Mather or some of the overlooks on Hermits Rest Rd. I know of a few places to get away from the crowds. But they are now becoming more known.


My “home country” isn’t the Grand Canyon, but California. Location knowledge, accumulated over decades, often makes it possible for me to visit the impacted places without dealing with the crowd problems and/or find alternate locations that are excellent and far less impacted.

I bet that many of us have local knowledge that lets us accomplish this.



Dec 12, 2025 at 11:34 AM







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