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p.2 #1Remember 4?
Speaking of music on 8" floppies.....
https://youtu.be/6nPTZqnIfFM?si=env96if1KrEWna3q
I found the 5D better than the Rebel XT and 40D, if you looked at 100%, but more evolutionary than revolutionary imo. AF accuracy could be pretty bad on older bodies using 18-55, and pretty bad on 18-135 IS at <36mm, you wonder how many people complaining about 18-55's just missed focus, as opposed to bad optics. Using older body + 18-55 recently reminded me how bad, 17-85 may have just missed focus, difficult to mf and no LV
https://youtu.be/6nPTZqnIfFM?si=env96if1KrEWna3q
I found the 5D better than the Rebel XT and 40D, if you looked at 100%, but more evolutionary than revolutionary imo. AF accuracy could be pretty bad on older bodies using 18-55, and pretty bad on 18-135 IS at <36mm, you wonder how many people complaining about 18-55's just missed focus, as opposed to bad optics. Using older body + 18-55 recently reminded me how bad, 17-85 may have just missed focus, difficult to mf and no LV
Dec 02, 2025 at 10:04 AM
p.2 #2Remember 4?
I don't know why I like nostalgia...
1995. I started getting my 35mm slides scanned and started using Photoshop.
1997. Olympus broke a barrier and offered the first consumer digital camera over 1MP, the D-600L with 1.3 MP. I then had a coupla other Olympus units whose models I've forgotten until...
2001. They released the 5MP E-20N. Oh boy, that was exciting. I still like some of the prints I made from that camera. And I used film concurrently.
2002. The photography world changed forever when Canon made the 1Ds. After Fred touted his here on the landscape forum, I jumped on it. Started buying big EF lenses. I made enough good stuff to have my first photo exhibition the next year. I also soon began using a 4x5. I skipped the 1DsMII and went for the 1DsMIII. Had it for years until the 5Dsr.. I have no Canon left now. I'm now using Fuji XT-5's and the GFX 100s, and the Sony A1-2.
1995. I started getting my 35mm slides scanned and started using Photoshop.
1997. Olympus broke a barrier and offered the first consumer digital camera over 1MP, the D-600L with 1.3 MP. I then had a coupla other Olympus units whose models I've forgotten until...
2001. They released the 5MP E-20N. Oh boy, that was exciting. I still like some of the prints I made from that camera. And I used film concurrently.
2002. The photography world changed forever when Canon made the 1Ds. After Fred touted his here on the landscape forum, I jumped on it. Started buying big EF lenses. I made enough good stuff to have my first photo exhibition the next year. I also soon began using a 4x5. I skipped the 1DsMII and went for the 1DsMIII. Had it for years until the 5Dsr.. I have no Canon left now. I'm now using Fuji XT-5's and the GFX 100s, and the Sony A1-2.
Dec 02, 2025 at 10:21 AM
p.2 #3Remember 4?
My intro into digital imaging, at the turn of the century, was with the Polaroid Sprintscan 35 Plus film scanner, scanning slides from my Canon Elan 7E; and my first Digital camera was the $1K Kodak 2MP DC290.
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DPR 2000 Review: https://www.dpreview.com/articles/0485392560/dc290review
First DSLR The Canon 20D which was a huge leap at the time.
Over the years I've bought, and later sold, Canon DSLR's 20D, 40D, 50D, 60D, two 7D's, 7D2, & 6D, but I still have the Kodak Digicam, & the Polaroid scanner stashed away among my relics.
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DPR 2000 Review: https://www.dpreview.com/articles/0485392560/dc290review
First DSLR The Canon 20D which was a huge leap at the time.
Over the years I've bought, and later sold, Canon DSLR's 20D, 40D, 50D, 60D, two 7D's, 7D2, & 6D, but I still have the Kodak Digicam, & the Polaroid scanner stashed away among my relics.
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Dec 02, 2025 at 10:52 AM
p.2 #4Remember 4?
Jeffrey wrote:
I don't know why I like nostalgia...
1995. I started getting my 35mm slides scanned and started using Photoshop.
1997. Olympus broke a barrier and offered the first consumer digital camera over 1MP, the D-600L with 1.3 MP. I then had a coupla other Olympus units whose models I've forgotten until...
2001. They released the 5MP E-20N. Oh boy, that was exciting. I still like some of the prints I made from that camera. And I used film concurrently.
2002. The photography world changed forever when Canon made the 1Ds. After Fred touted his here on the landscape forum, I jumped on it. Started...Show more →
Tony Soprano said that “remember when” is the lowest form of conversation but I like it, particularly when talking about old great cameras like these. All spurred on by a great picture of a duck from a 1D.
I don't know why I like nostalgia...
1995. I started getting my 35mm slides scanned and started using Photoshop.
1997. Olympus broke a barrier and offered the first consumer digital camera over 1MP, the D-600L with 1.3 MP. I then had a coupla other Olympus units whose models I've forgotten until...
2001. They released the 5MP E-20N. Oh boy, that was exciting. I still like some of the prints I made from that camera. And I used film concurrently.
2002. The photography world changed forever when Canon made the 1Ds. After Fred touted his here on the landscape forum, I jumped on it. Started...Show more →
Tony Soprano said that “remember when” is the lowest form of conversation but I like it, particularly when talking about old great cameras like these. All spurred on by a great picture of a duck from a 1D.
Dec 02, 2025 at 10:53 AM
p.2 #5Remember 4?
Jeffrey wrote:
...2002. The photography world changed forever when Canon made the 1Ds.
That's precisely what got me out of 35mm film photography, and into a 20D. A few years later, the transition was complete from 35mm, MF and LF film, to the 5D-series, 1Ds-series and 1D-series. I'm still using 5DS, 6D, M5, and M6 (and sometimes, SL2).
Ironically, much of my shooting these days, is 35mm and 120 roll film.
...2002. The photography world changed forever when Canon made the 1Ds.
That's precisely what got me out of 35mm film photography, and into a 20D. A few years later, the transition was complete from 35mm, MF and LF film, to the 5D-series, 1Ds-series and 1D-series. I'm still using 5DS, 6D, M5, and M6 (and sometimes, SL2).
Ironically, much of my shooting these days, is 35mm and 120 roll film.
Dec 02, 2025 at 10:53 AM
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p.2 #6Remember 4?
Tom RC wrote:
Well yes the Rebel did that, but it also allowed serious amateurs to transition from film to a 6 MP DSLR that did not break the bank, coupled with decent EF-S lenses like the EF-S 17-85 IS (in 2004 for me). Yes I could have done a decent wedding with that equipment (OK, only 3 AF points...), but that was not my goal. It allowed a much larger demographic to get into the digital era, which led rapidly to upscaling to better gear as it became available. 3 years later I had a 5D and a 40D, the 17-40 L, 24-105L, 70-200 f:2.8 L IS and other more expensive glass and cameras. This broader market scope allowed Canon and other brands to develop and sell a wide variety of quality lenses at comparatively reasonable prices (excluding the super-telephoto gear) which would be a benefit to professionals as well.Yes you are correct and I’m sure there were photographers like yourself who benefited greatly from having access to affordable photography gear to start a career who might not have been able to do so otherwise. If you were established and on the other side of the fence during this time you would have experienced the downsides to this technological progress as all of a sudden a market primarily dominated by actual highly skilled photographers was flooded by so called “pros” a high percentage of which were anything BUT professional other than having a nice looking website and polished...Show more →
Just getting the story straight (life is messy): I studied photography in high school as an elective and we were fortunate to have one of the top professionals of our city (Geneva, Switzerland) as our teacher. After high school, he asked me to help out assisting his assistant while he had surgery, and I was delighted to pick up experience using Hasselblad and Sinar rail cameras, Elinchrome flash. His studio's main activity was art catalogs for the many art galleries and museums, very high precision color work, 8x10 slides with his own Ektachrome lab, etc.. This also made me reconsider becoming a professional photographer because despite his well-heeled customer base, his costs were eating most of the revenue and this was a fifth generation studio. I studied geology and kept photography as an expensive hobby. And yes, even back then, customers would say things like "why is each picture costing $1000 when I can buy a Nikon camera for less money and do it myself". I kept my F-1 cameras and FD lenses and never got into the EOS system, for lack of time and other family distractions. So going digital in 2004 was a huge leap into an ecosystem where focusing, exposing and managing output were suddenly so much easier. Getting back into photography as a serious hobby had me spend (according to some family observers) large amounts of money on very nice gear, with no intent to sell pictures as I had a full time job. I did however come across people as you describe. One stuck out, a lady who asked me to help her understand her camera, a 12 MP Rebel XSi if I recall correctly, and a relatively basic zoom. She had no idea about aperture, shutter speeds, ISO, but her wedding pictures were nothing short of stunning, apparently all done in full automatic mode. Pixel peeping would probably show optical deficiencies in the images but on a website or in a book they looked great, her talent was getting people to pose naturally and to put them in photogenic locations at the events. So yes she was undercutting professionals who were carrying an order of magnitude more investment in equipment, lighting, post-production computers and software, assistants or second camera folk, all the accrued experience to operate the business and master the technology to its maximum performance, and carrying the insurances needed to protect their business. I don't think a large wedding party would have hired her, but people like her were probably earning their keep in the lower end of the market. And she would never be able to compete on studio photography, business photography for advertising, etc.., people who have those budgets generally know what they are buying.
So yes technology, and especially digital technology, has a track record of rapid progress, with the evolution of cutting edge expensive early systems into very affordable consumer products. This happens across just about every aspect of our lives, and the only way to stay ahead is to offer differentiating capabilities that are not solely based on the technology.
Rivermist wrote
Tom RC wrote
I miss those days and the 1D’s, 1DMKII’s & 1DS’s. Lots of memories shooting weddings with a 1DMKII and either a 24-70 or 70-200 over one shoulder and a 1DS and 85mm 1.2 over the other. Good photographers who actually had skill could make really good money back in those days particularly shooting high end portraiture and weddings. All started going downhill from a business standpoint about the time of the Canon Rebel when everybody and their mother bought one and called themselves "professional photographers”. Watered down the market something severe.Just getting the story straight (life is messy): I studied photography in high school as an elective and we were fortunate to have one of the top professionals of our city (Geneva, Switzerland) as our teacher. After high school, he asked me to help out assisting his assistant while he had surgery, and I was delighted to pick up experience using Hasselblad and Sinar rail cameras, Elinchrome flash. His studio's main activity was art catalogs for the many art galleries and museums, very high precision color work, 8x10 slides with his own Ektachrome lab, etc.. This also made me reconsider becoming a professional photographer because despite his well-heeled customer base, his costs were eating most of the revenue and this was a fifth generation studio. I studied geology and kept photography as an expensive hobby. And yes, even back then, customers would say things like "why is each picture costing $1000 when I can buy a Nikon camera for less money and do it myself". I kept my F-1 cameras and FD lenses and never got into the EOS system, for lack of time and other family distractions. So going digital in 2004 was a huge leap into an ecosystem where focusing, exposing and managing output were suddenly so much easier. Getting back into photography as a serious hobby had me spend (according to some family observers) large amounts of money on very nice gear, with no intent to sell pictures as I had a full time job. I did however come across people as you describe. One stuck out, a lady who asked me to help her understand her camera, a 12 MP Rebel XSi if I recall correctly, and a relatively basic zoom. She had no idea about aperture, shutter speeds, ISO, but her wedding pictures were nothing short of stunning, apparently all done in full automatic mode. Pixel peeping would probably show optical deficiencies in the images but on a website or in a book they looked great, her talent was getting people to pose naturally and to put them in photogenic locations at the events. So yes she was undercutting professionals who were carrying an order of magnitude more investment in equipment, lighting, post-production computers and software, assistants or second camera folk, all the accrued experience to operate the business and master the technology to its maximum performance, and carrying the insurances needed to protect their business. I don't think a large wedding party would have hired her, but people like her were probably earning their keep in the lower end of the market. And she would never be able to compete on studio photography, business photography for advertising, etc.., people who have those budgets generally know what they are buying.
So yes technology, and especially digital technology, has a track record of rapid progress, with the evolution of cutting edge expensive early systems into very affordable consumer products. This happens across just about every aspect of our lives, and the only way to stay ahead is to offer differentiating capabilities that are not solely based on the technology.
Dec 02, 2025 at 12:13 PM
p.2 #7Remember 4?
Sadly, I never got to shoot with the original Canon EOS 1D, though I have owned various 1-series DSLRs since then.
My first digital cameras were of the 6 megapixel era with the Canon EOS D60 and Nikon D70.
In recent times I've rather enjoyed going through my back catalog from those days and selectively applying Adobe Super Resolution on some images. They hold up okay!
My first digital cameras were of the 6 megapixel era with the Canon EOS D60 and Nikon D70.
In recent times I've rather enjoyed going through my back catalog from those days and selectively applying Adobe Super Resolution on some images. They hold up okay!
Dec 02, 2025 at 06:01 PM
p.2 #8Remember 4?
Tom RC wrote:
Well yes the Rebel did that, but it also allowed serious amateurs to transition from film to a 6 MP DSLR that did not break the bank, coupled with decent EF-S lenses like the EF-S 17-85 IS (in 2004 for me). Yes I could have done a decent wedding with that equipment (OK, only 3 AF points...), but that was not my goal. It allowed a much larger demographic to get into the digital era, which led rapidly to upscaling to better gear as it became available. 3 years later I had a 5D and a 40D, the 17-40 L, 24-105L, 70-200 f:2.8 L IS and other more expensive glass and cameras. This broader market scope allowed Canon and other brands to develop and sell a wide variety of quality lenses at comparatively reasonable prices (excluding the super-telephoto gear) which would be a benefit to professionals as well.Yes you are correct and I’m sure there were photographers like yourself who benefited greatly from having access to affordable photography gear to start a career who might not have been able to do so otherwise. If you were established and on the other side of the fence during this time you would have experienced the downsides to this technological progress as all of a sudden a market primarily dominated by actual highly skilled photographers was flooded by so called “pros” a high percentage of which were anything BUT professional other than having a nice looking website and polished...Show more →
I’ll take it a step further and say that stock photography is dead with the advent of generative AI. Even portraiture is threatened. Event photography is a last bastion I see.
I do remember twits with Rebels shooting weddings like they were shooting machine guns.
I’ve done friends and relatives weddings, but I wasn’t taking money out of someone’s pocket, It was me or one-time cameras on the tables.
I have gotten crusties and a couple of comments from people shooting sports events, HS, that my kids are playing in. I only shoot one team, and half of them are of my kids. Get over it.
Rivermist wrote
Tom RC wrote
I miss those days and the 1D’s, 1DMKII’s & 1DS’s. Lots of memories shooting weddings with a 1DMKII and either a 24-70 or 70-200 over one shoulder and a 1DS and 85mm 1.2 over the other. Good photographers who actually had skill could make really good money back in those days particularly shooting high end portraiture and weddings. All started going downhill from a business standpoint about the time of the Canon Rebel when everybody and their mother bought one and called themselves "professional photographers”. Watered down the market something severe.I’ll take it a step further and say that stock photography is dead with the advent of generative AI. Even portraiture is threatened. Event photography is a last bastion I see.
I do remember twits with Rebels shooting weddings like they were shooting machine guns.
I’ve done friends and relatives weddings, but I wasn’t taking money out of someone’s pocket, It was me or one-time cameras on the tables.
I have gotten crusties and a couple of comments from people shooting sports events, HS, that my kids are playing in. I only shoot one team, and half of them are of my kids. Get over it.
Dec 02, 2025 at 07:14 PM
p.2 #9Remember 4?
garyvot wrote:
Sadly, I never got to shoot with the original Canon EOS 1D, though I have owned various 1-series DSLRs since then.
My first digital cameras were of the 6 megapixel era with the Canon EOS D60 and Nikon D70.
In recent times I've rather enjoyed going through my back catalog from those days and selectively applying Adobe Super Resolution on some images. They hold up okay!
I had a 20D and got a 1DIII (not the S) for sports and a back-up. 8MP on both. But that 1D body spoiled me and I haven’t looked back.
Sadly, I never got to shoot with the original Canon EOS 1D, though I have owned various 1-series DSLRs since then.
My first digital cameras were of the 6 megapixel era with the Canon EOS D60 and Nikon D70.
In recent times I've rather enjoyed going through my back catalog from those days and selectively applying Adobe Super Resolution on some images. They hold up okay!
I had a 20D and got a 1DIII (not the S) for sports and a back-up. 8MP on both. But that 1D body spoiled me and I haven’t looked back.
Dec 02, 2025 at 07:22 PM