p.1 #2 · do i REALLY need to take the 16-35/4 for landscapes?
Whether 24mm is wide enough for landscapes is a personal decision. I almost never shoot wider than 24 so the 24-120 is easily the choice for most trips. Other folks can’t function without a 16-35 so then that becomes the necessity.
p.1 #3 · do i REALLY need to take the 16-35/4 for landscapes?
RoamingScott wrote:
Whether 24mm is wide enough for landscapes is a personal decision. I almost never shoot wider than 24 so the 24-120 is easily the choice for most trips. Other folks can’t function without a 16-35 so then that becomes the necessity.
scott-
thanks for the quick reply.
(happy thanksgiving to all!)
i am hoping to get a few replies from folks who have also traveled to SE Asia and might have experienced my quandary.
(btw-i very much enjoy many of the images you post on FM. your participation on the site is a plus. thanks!)
p.1 #4 · do i REALLY need to take the 16-35/4 for landscapes?
I would get Viltrox 14mm f4 to complement to 24-120mm, but we're all different.
That viltrox lens seems to be excellent for the money you can get it for.
p.1 #5 · do i REALLY need to take the 16-35/4 for landscapes?
I am also travel with Z6 and 24-120 lens and it is a perfect combination for me...
And 24-120 Z is so much better then older G version (plus you don't need an adaptor)...
p.1 #7 · do i REALLY need to take the 16-35/4 for landscapes?
Ok, you didn't ask (I'm going to get a reputation for answering questions that OP didn't ask) but I would offer some other suggestions. I agree with Nick53079 above that the 24-120Z is in a different class than the G variant. Used copies are available on the B&S board plus we are the midst of holiday sales.
I don't see the 610 as a back-up for the Z6. When I take a back-up, I want the two cameras to be as interchangeable as possible. If one fails you are then restricted to whatever the second supports. You are just not saving weight with the 610. If budget allows (and for me budget is always a concern), I'd switch the 610 for a Z5 with something like the 26mm if you want to keep it compact and light - or even a Z50II (or Z30 which I haven't used but a lot of folks carry as a second body). Then if one body fails, you'll still have full use of all your lenses.
p.1 #8 · do i REALLY need to take the 16-35/4 for landscapes?
glassartist wrote:
Ok, you didn't ask (I'm going to get a reputation for answering questions that OP didn't ask) but I would offer some other suggestions. I agree with Nick53079 above that the 24-120Z is in a different class than the G variant. Used copies are available on the B&S board plus we are the midst of holiday sales.
I don't see the 610 as a back-up for the Z6. When I take a back-up, I want the two cameras to be as interchangeable as possible. If one fails you are then restricted to whatever the second supports. You are just not saving weight with the 610. If budget allows (and for me budget is always a concern), I'd switch the 610 for a Z5 with something like the 26mm if you want to keep it compact and light - or even a Z50II (or Z30 which I haven't used but a lot of folks carry as a second body). Then if one body fails, you'll still have full use of all your lenses. ...Show more →
I agree here. One extra Z body instead of the D and no old lens.
Personally, I find 24mm plenty wide, but as others have said, that is mostly a personal choice.
p.1 #9 · do i REALLY need to take the 16-35/4 for landscapes?
I think you'll be fine with 24mm at the wide end. I've been to SE Asia, but not to all the places you plan to go. If you find something worth shooting wider than 24mm, it's probably worth shooting as a panorama. That's been my experience in SE Asia.
I am 100% with the previous advice that the backup needs to be Z mount. You most likely won't need the 35mm either.
p.1 #10 · do i REALLY need to take the 16-35/4 for landscapes?
I agree with RoamingScott that whether or not you need ultrawide is a really personal decision. Like 15 years ago, when the ultrawides zooms were all the rage, I just personally could not produce the images that I liked very much.
A lot of it is about foreground + background, and I just could not for the life of me create anything that I cared for, and after awhile it just felt too forced.
With that said, when I was on F-mount, the 16-35 was one of my most used lenses. But when I used it I was always in the 20-35 range, and would occasionally stretch to 16. When I started using the Z system more, I found myself constantly using the 24-120, and only very occasionally attaching the 14-30.
Interestingly, I've kept my D850, but I've focused on primes and 2.8 zooms, and sold all my f4 stuff (even though I used it a lot).
p.1 #11 · do i REALLY need to take the 16-35/4 for landscapes?
Just spent two weeks in Vietnam and 24mm was the widest lens I brought (technically the iPhone has a 13mm lens, but I almost never use it). Never missed having a wider lens, 24mm is plenty.
Also, most photographers take bad pictures with UWA lenses. Imo those are specialized tools for certain scenarios (e.g. I tend to use them for small to midsized waterfalls where I also have very close foregrounds) but somehow get used a lot „for landscape“ and hence the imo bad pictures.
p.1 #12 · do i REALLY need to take the 16-35/4 for landscapes?
fjablo wrote:
Just spent two weeks in Vietnam and 24mm was the widest lens I brought (technically the iPhone has a 13mm lens, but I almost never use it). Never missed having a wider lens, 24mm is plenty.
Also, most photographers take bad pictures with UWA lenses. Imo those are specialized tools for certain scenarios (e.g. I tend to use them for small to midsized waterfalls where I also have very close foregrounds) but somehow get used a lot „for landscape“ and hence the imo bad pictures.
p.1 #13 · do i REALLY need to take the 16-35/4 for landscapes?
One thing to note: If you're going to Hong Kong, it is one beautiful city to photograph in terms of architecture. You may often find yourself very close to a tall building, and may want an ultrawide, but those aren't exactly the greatest photos either since it distorts the building so much.
p.1 #15 · do i REALLY need to take the 16-35/4 for landscapes?
I actually think the 24-120 would be perfect for SE Asia. I personally would rather use the Z-mount version because it is better than the F-mount one.
The 40 f2 will be nice and unobtrusive on the Z6 as a street photography kit. Hong Kong is wonderful for that. When I am sight seeing in SE Asia, a nice zoom with some extra reach on the tele end is my preferred lens.
Ended up using the Ricoh the most especially in the cities. But I used all of the gear and took images that are meaningful to me with all three cameras. The Leica was a bit superfluous, but I like using it so why not have some fun while on vacation
I think the Z6 + Z-mount 24-70 (f4 or f2.8) or 24-120 + 40mm f2 is a great kit for a trip like this.
And if you like the D610 + 35mm 1.8G why not bring it. Disagree with some posts above that a backup camera needs to be a 1:1 replacement.
I do however agree with the suggestion to bring a z mount zoom and not the 24-120mm f4G. That lens + adapter is just bigger than it needs to be, and not that good compared to the Z mount options.
p.1 #17 · do i REALLY need to take the 16-35/4 for landscapes?
Really depends on where you are going.
Landscape wise... hard to tell.
For Hong Kong, I supposed Hong Kong Harbor either at water level from the other side or from one of the high rise across the bay, you certainly can use something wider than 24mm depending on what you want to do or you can always do pano stitch if needed.
If you go to temple especially for interior shot, wider than 24mm could be very handy.
Some mountains, wider than 24mm could also be handy but not so much for beaches.
I don't know how familiar you are with flights in SE Asia. If you are flying low cost, they are quite strict about 7 kg carry on weight and more likely than not will weigh you bags. Even if you make it pass check in counter, they may still try to catch you at the gate. Air Asia is infamously know for this and if you have camera gear in your bag and you refuse to check in your baggage, they often will ask you to buy extra ticket for your extra carryon. That happened to a friend of mine.
No experience on Vietjet and I don't fly Lion Air often so I am not sure how strict they are but Air Asia definitely will be a hassle if both of you will have 2 pieces of carry on each (they allow 1 carry on and one personal item ie purse or something small, not 2 carryons). On the other hand, full service like Thai Airways are not strict at all for carryon weight, nor Cathay in my experience.
p.1 #18 · do i REALLY need to take the 16-35/4 for landscapes?
robfilms wrote:
my question (finally!): do i REALLY need to take the 16-35/4 for landscapes or will 24mm suffice?
Hi Rob,
I never went (yet) to Southeast Asia however I have your same doubts when I travel.
My last two trips were to Seville (https://img.gg/9TmhS9u) and Norway (https://img.gg/Ig9CsmX).
I left home my UWA lenses (Zeiss 21/2.8 & Z 14-30/4 S). On some occasions I would have liked to have them with me, however I "survived" with my travel kit:
Z6 + 24-70/4 S
AF-S ED 70-200/4G
AI 50/1.4+FTZ
My next trip with my wife will be to Palermo at the end of the year. I think I'll use that "travel kit" again.
I still use the “old” 70-200/4 because it works well and I'm not so sure that the Z 70-180/2.8 would work as well in terms of stabilization (does IBIS work as well as in-lens VR at 180 mm?). And longer than 70-120 mm could be preferable to "shorter than 24 mm".
I agree that the 16-35/4 + FTZ is way too large (larger than my 14-30/4 and not equally good, IMO).
However, as stated by @suteetat@, a wider 24mm lens could be useful for indoor shots. The D610+16-35/4 could probably be a backup alternative.
Have a safe trip!
p.1 #19 · do i REALLY need to take the 16-35/4 for landscapes?
The Z 24-120 is fine. The cheap, small and lightweight but excellent Viltrox 14mm might help, when you like it wider than 24mm.
A Nikon 50mm 1.8s or 40mm for the evening and night aka low light. Lots of nightmarkets in Southeast Asia, when the heat cools down.
There is also an small and excellent Viltrox 85 2.0 EVO. Its the same size as the Nikon 50 1.8s in case you need a longer lens for the evening.
In case you include Thailand. Go from North to South. Chiang Sean at the Mekong. Burma Triangle. Chiang Rai and Chiang Mai.
Also check the cabin luggage restrictions of your Airline within Asia. Usually one piece with max 7kg is allowed as hand luggage in the cabin. They love to charge you for additional check in luggage.
p.1 #20 · do i REALLY need to take the 16-35/4 for landscapes?
Just out of curiosity - when was the last time anyone who has responded has had a modern body fail on a trip? (Not talking about pro jobs here). I have stopped carrying a backup body in recent years as my experience is that bodies rarely fail in use. My iPhone does do double duty just in case as would something like an RX100 variation that would double as light weight go out to dinner option.
I know this was not what was asked but I believe the issue was traveling light.
