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I spent a long period before my retirement working as technical manager in a School of Art & Design, and doing some part time lecturing too. I have seen many pieces of artistic work where my enjoyment of the creative process evident was spoilt by the technical imperfections in the execution. It can be excused during the learning process, but there is no virtue in it. It's either laziness or incompetence, or at least a limitation in the materials used. We see the latter frequently in the work of our idols, At get, HCB, etc who had slow and poor quality films or processes to contend with, but the fact that subject movement and fuzzy corners is evident in some of HCB's work can be excused when he was using 25asa film and a Summar at full aperture, but there is no excuse with modern cameras and optics.
As far as DoF scales are concerned, 99% of my work with my super wides, 9mm, 12mm and 14mm is using f/6.4 or 8 to get and use the DoF indicated by the traditional scales and CoC calculations. If the so called pixel based scale is respected the lenses would be of very little use. I can look at an A3 print on the wall opposite taken with the 14mm at f/8, a view of the ornamental gardens at Villandry taken from an upstairs window of the chateaux, the window at approx 2m from the camera, the gardens, and the distant village at about 300m are all 'sharp' to the viewer of the whole picture, how is the 'pixel' based scales any use in that real world (to quote Ken Rockwell) situation, which is surely a very common use for wide angle lenses.

Gerry



Nov 30, 2025 at 08:11 AM
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Geoff D F wrote:
In the past I might have agreed with you. The Japanese have a concept of beauty in imperfection. They apply it to things like Japanese gardens, hand made pottery, and paintings among other things. In photography it might be thought of as imperfections adding character. I'm increasingly moving to that viewpoint. To use a musical analogy, Herbert Von Karajan was meticulous in the way he conducted the Berlin Philharmonica. He managed to eek out every nuance in Symphonies. But as a consequence, his conducting was slow and some would regard the performances as lacking excitement and emotion compared
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Again, I believe I know how you feel and what you mean. I had a recent experience of looking through three albums of landscape photography of someone who posted on the post-processing forum. Every picture of the mountain landscapes was masterfully taken and processed. However, something happened after I looked at about 4-6 of the photos - I lost interest. The photos were taken in different places yet they started looking the same, in a way. Except the overall technical perfection, there was little else that attracted my eye. If, in a simplistic way, we divide photos into two groups: one that make the viewer stop and spend some time looking at the photos, and the other group of photos that attract a cursory glance at best, then the photos in the albums I mentioned above could probably be assigned to the second group.

Regarding the Japanese concept of beauty in imperfections, again, I am familiar with this. I spent, in total, about two years working and living in Japan, thus I am superficially familiar with the culture. Yet, there's another very characteristic Japanese trait that contrasts with the above appreciation of beauty in imperfections. A recent article that I read expressed this well; thus, I may quote from there:
"In Japan, craftspeople and practitioners of all stripes are known for their relentless pursuit of perfection in whichever field they trade in. You can see this in everything from rice cultivation to the elaborate artistry of Raku tea bowls to sushi masters like the protagonist of the acclaimed film Jiro Dreams of Sushi."



Nov 30, 2025 at 08:26 AM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
There is a fascinating essay about perfection in creative art in today’s issue of the New York Times. It is written by a concert pianist (my academic training and career were in the music field), though it can be extrapolated to most other arts and beyond.

It is about the problem with the obsession with supposed technical perfection in creative work, something that ultimately is a distraction from what we actually value in it. We might hear a performance (or see a photographic print) and remark, “that is technically perfect!” But who cares? What we really care about is responses like,
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Dan, I suggest you spend less time on gear forums and focus more on perfecting your craftsmanship in photography. Forget about the gear for a moment—buy a Nikon P900 that covers 24–2000 mm if you want versatility. At the end of the day, it’s really about content, lighting, and storytelling. Those are far more important than technical specs. Spend your money on traveling. Spend your time learning, perfecting your vision and skills. A 10-megapixel artistic photo is far more interesting and appreciated than a 50-megapixel 5Ds shot. It’s always the image first; things like resolution, SNR, and shiny gear are second or third.

I actually fully agree with you on this. But should people really agree with you every single time just so that your message feels validated?

Do you see the problem with the reply you gave? you have some personal standard and apply it universally to topic you participate. On one hand, you hang around gear forums daily (or at least often—I can’t know for sure since I only visit here once or twice a month), actively participating in technical or gear-related threads. On the other hand, you take every opportunity to lecture people that gear is not important and that your own choices make perfect sense. Do you feel insecure about your achievements in photography, or do you just desperately need attention to reinforce your understanding of photography by repeating it to others?

Aren’t you tired of the repetition?

When people talk about sensor size, you jump in saying the difference is “small”—enough is enough. When people ask about lens sharpness, you say sharpness isn’t everything—enough is enough, it’s about light and content. When people talk about SNR, you say SNR doesn’t matter and everything is “good enough.” When people ask about AF, you say AF has been good enough for a long time and it all depends on how you use it.

In this case, all I was doing was pointing out technical misconceptions regarding sensor size, format conversion, noise, and SNR (some of which came from you). Yet somehow, you and others still steered the discussion back to artistic vision and craftsmanship.

Honestly, I sincerely believe photography—unlike gear—is very personal. It’s all about yourself, how you feel, and how you find enjoyment in it. There’s nothing to show off and nothing to lecture others about. This forum should be a place to share joy and help people, whether the topic is gear or artistic vision. But the way you communicate often comes across as passive-aggressive, talking down to others to display your “wisdom” (at least you seem to think so). It feels like you constantly seek validation, and many times this leads to endless arguments in the threads you join. I’m personally tired of seeing this happen again and again, so I decided to say something.
Now goodbye. May the vision be with you.



Nov 30, 2025 at 04:21 PM
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Geoff D F wrote:
You have asked me to define small vs big difference, yet here you are saying for street the difference will be small, while for big prints the difference will be larger. FWIW, I have printed 12mp 5D files up to 30 inches, and GFX files up to 40 inches. You can see a difference but mainly when viewed close. Sometimes this matters as viewers will often move in close to examine detail, and the GFX does make it easier to get a file that will hold up to large printing - for example 800 ISO is still fine
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You didnt get my point. As small or big is all subjective. I have my view on difference is small or big on certain photography gene but it is not a "right" or "wrong" and I won't spend my time to argue with people why my "view" is "right". I can only tell you 44X33 has more DR than a 20X15 sensor as those are objective.

You could print a 2M file to 100inch and enjoy it more than anything else you see, I can't argue this with you and neither worth the time or effort of me or others.

You must have a very good reason to get GFX system. I am happy for you it works out for you.

I simply don't see talk about gear performance = lose sight of what makes a compelling image and the things we are debating here are very much at the margins.

Bye.



Nov 30, 2025 at 04:32 PM
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zhangyue wrote:
You didnt get my point. As small or big is all subjective. I have my view on difference is small or big on certain photography gene but it is not a "right" or "wrong" and I won't spend my time to argue with people why my "view" is "right". I can only tell you 44X33 has more DR than a 20X15 sensor as those are objective.

You could print a 2M file to 100inch and enjoy it more than anything else you see, I can't argue this with you and neither worth the time or effort of me or others.
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Yes I didn't get your point. I gather English is not your first language and I sometimes have trouble understanding what you are getting at.

As these forums may be read by a wide range of people who don't necessarily have a deep understanding of photography and what contributes to image quality, it can be useful to point out the things that can make a big difference to image quality and the things that are at the margins. For example, quality of light, lens choice, the generation of sensor are all likely to make a bigger difference to technical IQ than the difference between the 100mp GFX sensor and the latest 63mp Sony FF sensor. That is not to say the GFX doesn't have better technical image quality, but possibly in the majority of situations that might not be meaningful. On the other hand, if you enjoy the way the GFX operates, like particular lenses it has to offer, etc that may make it a good choice. Same for other systems. Now maybe everyone who reads these threads already knows this, but maybe they don't.

You have also asserted that the purpose of this thread is to discuss technical image quality. It has veered in that direction, but the original title of the thread was about Fuji's marketing concept. I don't think any forum member gets to decide what should or shouldn't be included in a thread, particularly if they are not the person who initiated the discussion.

Your communication style also comes across as passive aggressive, FWIW.



Nov 30, 2025 at 07:06 PM
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zhangyue wrote:
Dan, I suggest you spend less time on gear forums and focus more on perfecting your craftsmanship in photography.


OK, then. I shall give your suggestion all of the attention it deserves.

Meanwhile…

I’ve made a few photographs over the years: gdanmitchell.com

I wrote and published California’s Fall Color: A Photographer’s Guide to the Autumn in the Sierra Nevada

I’m not in this book since I began working with this group right after it was published, but I photographed with this group for over a decade: First Light: Five Photographers Explore Yosemite’s Wilderness

I show up at about 3:05 in this later video about the group:



Some more videos about us

Your post reminds me of a story about the composer Hugo Wolf, IIRC. He replied to a particularly noxious and nonsensical review as follows (I’ll paraphrase): I am sitting in the smallest room in my house. I have your review in front of me. In a moment it will be behind me.

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Just proved all my points.


Dec 01, 2025 at 12:39 AM
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Dan. don't argue with him - the images on your Flickr account do that for you :-)


Dec 01, 2025 at 07:08 AM
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Proved your points?

You can accuse me of being a gearhead, and I am unabashedly so. But I don't think you can challenge gdanmitchell in putting gear in front of photographic output. The guy clearly is leaving an enviable trail of photographic interpretation of the Sierras.

Even if you ignore all that, solely on this forum he is an 8x Featured Thread winner.



Dec 01, 2025 at 07:17 AM
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nineblade wrote:
Proved your points?

You can accuse me of being a gearhead, and I am unabashedly so. But I don't think you can challenge gdanmitchell in putting gear in front of photographic output. The guy clearly is leaving an enviable trail of photographic interpretation of the Sierras.

Even if you ignore all that, solely on this forum he is an 8x Featured Thread winner.


No one is suggesting that Dan is not a good photographer. His work speaks for itself and it is very good, IMO. If you review the post that was made the point was not questioning Dan's ability or credentials, it was questioning his approach to arguments. I think there is room to question that approach and his tactics. I also think Dan doubled down on those tactics in his response and totally missed the criticism and I think that is what was meant by "proved all my points."



Dec 01, 2025 at 07:35 AM
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zhangyue wrote:
Just proved all my points.


Bye, troll.



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