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p.1 #1 · Duffel / Wheeled Duffel for Safari/ bush flights?


I currently have Gura Gear Kiboko 30l+ camera back pack and scottevest for any accessories.

I am trying to decide between

1. Duffel (Gura Gear 60l, Peak Design 65l)
2. Wheeled Duffel (Shimoda DV roller - not sure if it will hold well in check in conditions, Patagonia Black Hole duffel or anything else)

I will have a shorter bush flight from Nairobi to Masa.

I read through some of the comments in Safari recommendations page and did not quiet get this part.

Any recommendations appreciated.




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Oct 30, 2025 at 02:29 PM
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p.1 #2 · Duffel / Wheeled Duffel for Safari/ bush flights?


You may want to check with your travel company or company flying the Bush plane for bag restrictions....









Oct 30, 2025 at 06:56 PM
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p.1 #3 · Duffel / Wheeled Duffel for Safari/ bush flights?


You may be able to pay for more or an extra seat. Are you by yourself or with a group? Do you have the same driver or is it all flights? How long is the trip and where all are you going?
Some places in Africa there are very small planes but not so much the Mara where the volumes are higher.
IIRC by road it was about 6 hours depending on weather. One time we had a guy with a mental issue (aviophobia on small planes only) and he just would not fly so had to go on the road with the checked luggage.

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Oct 30, 2025 at 08:14 PM
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p.1 #4 · Duffel / Wheeled Duffel for Safari/ bush flights?


EB-1 wrote:
You may be able to pay for more or an extra seat. Are you by yourself or with a group? Do you have the same driver or is it all flights? How long is the trip and where all are you going?
Some places in Africa there are very small planes but not so much the Mara where the volumes are higher.
IIRC by road it was about 6 hours depending on weather. One time we had a guy with a mental issue (aviophobia on small planes only) and he just would not fly so had to go on the road
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In a photography group of 10. Flight from Nairobi to Masa. Masa, Amboseli and Lake Naivasha.




Oct 30, 2025 at 10:21 PM
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p.1 #5 · Duffel / Wheeled Duffel for Safari/ bush flights?


Every guided photo group trip I've been on that included a bush or small plane, the tour company/guide arranged with the flight company to take all our gear and perhaps paid for overweight luggage. If you've got the right photo gear and a duffel of clothes (with tripods, chargers, etc) you will certainly be over 33 lbs. Since you're with a group, ask the guide. For 10 people they are likely using two planes.


Nov 01, 2025 at 05:28 PM
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They should drive the checked luggage back from Nairobi or have space on the plane. You should be able to communicate with the tour company to get details. Ideally they would have chartered a flight for that size photo group so you have extra space.

What I usually take is a 26L (500/4) or 32L (600/4) Gumba Gear bag, a laptop bag with some extra stuff, a 32-34' checked rolling duffel bag with a Vertex or lenscoat long lens case full of clothes and everything else around that. They will wash your clothes constantly so there is not much need to bring a lot. I reconfigure photo gear for the game drives so the backpack is for the smaller gear and the big tele is in the long lens case. Bring a few bungee cords to hold stuff in the seats. Also bring some empty bean bags and the drivers will fill them there. At the end they will give the beans to the locals. There will be plenty of porters to carry your photo gear back and forth to your lodging for a few bucks.

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Nov 01, 2025 at 07:12 PM
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p.1 #7 · Duffel / Wheeled Duffel for Safari/ bush flights?


Patagonia Black Hole duffels are my preferred luggage for domestic and foreign travel. I have both the wheeled (70 and 100 liter) and non-wheeled varieties. They are very well made and certainly can withstand the abuse associated with checked luggage. Patagonia’s guarantees are also a very strong selling point. Choose whichever size/variety meet your needs.


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p.1 #8 · Duffel / Wheeled Duffel for Safari/ bush flights?


aryaah wrote:
Patagonia Black Hole duffels are my preferred luggage for domestic and foreign travel. I have both the wheeled (70 and 100 liter) and non-wheeled varieties. They are very well made and certainly can withstand the abuse associated with checked luggage. Patagonia’s guarantees are also a very strong selling point. Choose whichever size/variety meet your needs.


That helps. Thank you



Nov 01, 2025 at 07:52 PM
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For small airplanes so common for private propeller driven aircraft with 1-6 seats, it's quite surprising how little extra weight in the form of luggage that can be carried safely, and the more weight that's involved requires more careful measurements of the passengers, luggage and position that it's placed in the airplane for safe flights. My oldest son and I had owned a Piper Cherokee Arrow airplane with seating for 4 and a small cargo space behind the rear two seats. Some very careful weight calculations were needed if the passengers were large and there was anything stored in that luggage compartment, as the balance, propeller to tail, needed to be kept tightly within the limited weights required to keep the plane from crashing due to unbalance or excessive weight being carried.

If you ever fly in small propeller driven private aircraft of 1-6 passenger size, the pilot is responsible to do this calculation, and he will need to know the weight and position of everything being carried in the plane, including the people, to keep the plane safe for flying. I can remember one flight where there was 4 of us in the plane and my son made me keep my small camera bag below my knees in the right front seat and not in the rear luggage compartment for this reason. The weight/balance of the airplane with 3 of the four of us each weighing about 200+ lbs and two of them sitting in the rear seats was that close to the limits. My camera bag and a woman's purse were the only luggage pieces in the airplane on that flight, but it was a great and safe flight. Just be truthful of the weights that you provide to the pilot, so he can position things, change seating positions, etc. to get this calculation correct. Take as little camera gear and luggage as possible on these flights too, or the pilot may give you the choice of flying with him, or sending your gear with him and taking another flight. It's that serious to get the numbers right. Fly safe and you can do it again sometime.

Charley



Nov 04, 2025 at 02:23 PM
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p.1 #10 · Duffel / Wheeled Duffel for Safari/ bush flights?


They do run those smaller planes like Cessnas, but you also may see DHC-6 and Caravans too for the larger groups and flights. I'm not sure if they are using any of the Beechcraft King Air variants nowadays.
The main thing is to ask your tour operator for as much info as possible. Weight limits are always tight but they should provide adequate allowance for a photo safari that you are paying for.

EBH



Nov 04, 2025 at 04:15 PM
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I have been on King Air and DeHavilin flights when the captain had many passengers move to different seating positions to correct the plane's weight and balance. In one of those flights everyone had seated themselves in the rear 2/3 of the airplane, and he made some of them move to the frontal seats. Other times I have seen them unpack some luggage and move it to other positions in the cargo bays, again, because the pilot couldn't get the weight/balance calculation that he needed for a safe flight. The pilot or captain will not attempt to fly if he cannot get the weight/balance correct within an acceptable tolerance, unless he hasn't done the calculation, and you won't want to fly with this guy. It is extremely important to get this right before taking off. Even in 747's they need to do these calculations before takeoff, but they have considerably more power and it's easier to get weight distribution in larger airplanes within the limits. Be safe, and cooperate with the pilot when he asks you to change seats. The ground crews are well aware of needing to distribute the luggage weight. It's almost always the passengers that need to move seats to get this correct weight/balance calculation correct, and when you see them moving around at the captain's request it's because of this. Don't refuse, or you will get escorted off of the airplane. They don't want to put people or luggage off, but it sometimes becomes necessary, when the passenger(s) won't cooperate or the freight/luggage cannot be balanced. They can't fly safely if the airplane is unbalanced, or too heavy.

On the other hand I once took a cross county flight in a 747. Not many passengers got on, but I wasn't paying much attention, as I was headed to give a speech to a large group and wasn't fully prepared for before the flight. When we started down the runway, it was like driving a high powered drag race car, and we left the runway way and climbed very rapidly. I looked around and could only see two other passengers, so when we reached altitude, I asked one of the stewardesses how many passengers were on the flight and she said 4, but they needed the plane at the next city, so we flew anyway. We later all got together, stewardesses and all, about over the wings and had a 4 hour party. Best and fastest long flight that I was ever on.

My career and job took me many places, it seemed like almost everywhere in the upper quarter and the US side of this Planet, with some trips to Western Europe, occasionally too. I survived many bad flights, delays, very rough rides, cancellations, and breakdowns in those years. Fortunately ,most were on airplanes larger than 15 passenger, and much larger airplanes, and then on the weekends in our own small airplane, which was mostly flown up and down the East Coast of the US and never Wes much past the mountain range. We took very good care of our own air plane, so only a few problems came along during any of the flights. Most problems were with the radios (Avionics) and the flight could continue easily using the backup second,and still working, radio.

Most of our flights in our airplane were in good Weather too. Instrument flying, where you can't usually see more than a foot beyond the window, is much less safe in a small airplane, because of where smaller airplanes need to fly, how high or low, and compass direction, you are totally dependent on what the gauges say, but with a working radio, it is easy to talk to a control center with radar, who can see where you are, how high you are, and which way you are headed. A pilot that is fully trained in flying on instruments, is necessary for this. Many crashes occur when visual flight rules are not followed (When you can't easily see the ground) and when an untrained pilot attempts to fly by the instruments alone. The control centers will also advise if there is any other traffic of any size in the air near you and also how high they are, as well as their heading, so Radar really isn't necessary in small airplanes if you stay in contact with the control centers during the flight. If getting close to the other airplane or their headed direction, the control centers will advise a change in altitude or other measures to avoid a collision. They have sometimes even given us the channel and contact information of these other airplanes, so we could talk freely to each other as we passed by.

We always stayed in contact with the control centers, even in bright sunny and almost cloudless days, just in case something went wrong. You can fly low altitude by following common electronic paths through the sky, or when flying low on Sunny days, you can follow roads, even by using highway road maps, to keep from getting lost. The big airplanes have to stay high above the little guys, so following roads and highway road maps becomes quite difficult for them. the aviation version of GPS is a great and fairly new way to navigate any airplane, but instrument training is required for bad Weather, even if the airplane has one of these special GPS systems.

The Kennedy's son was not instrument trained, but he got himself and his passengers into a position where he should not have been, and only by flying by the instruments could he have continued safely. It's easy to feel the airplane and think you are flying straight and level, when you can't see where the ground is, or correctly feel that you are flying straight and level. A gradual change in altitude or airplane orientation that's slow and gradual will not be felt, and you can get into a stall where the air speed over the wings falls to less than the airplane needs to stay in the air, or you get into a wide spiral where the pressures against your seat give you a false sensation that you are flying straight and level. They think that this is why he crashed.

I think I've said too much in this post that didn't pertain to photography, but I care about all of you and don't want to see that you were in a plane crash. Be safe everyone.

Charley



Nov 05, 2025 at 09:25 AM
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p.1 #12 · Duffel / Wheeled Duffel for Safari/ bush flights?


Charley, that is great information and advice we should all heed. I have been a passenger on small aircraft flights where the pilots pull a bathroom scale from the cockpit and weigh every item, including the passengers, before telling everyone where to sit.

Joe



Nov 05, 2025 at 12:01 PM
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p.1 #13 · Duffel / Wheeled Duffel for Safari/ bush flights?


I went on a photo safari in Botswana and on a number of small planes into various airstrips
I took a Gura Gear Kiboko 2.0 Backpack (Black, 30L+) for my camera gear computer and accessories and an Osprey Transporter 40L Wheeled Travel Duffel Bag for my clothing. I was overweight but was not checked. I was told would likely have to pay extra worse case scenario.



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