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Wow. Thanks for all the replies. I will check out all of these lenses.

And just to give a little bit more info and respond to some of the people who were kindly very thorough in explaining why there are no identical lenses for Sony...

The reason I'm starting to think of going to Sony at all is that I've shot Fuji for many years, and I've landed on the 18 and 33 1.4 as 2 lenses I could probably use exclusively for 90% of my shots. I've been trying to minimize my photo gear, but I was recently able to get a Leica q328 at a very reasonable price used.

I pulled the trigger with the idea that it could possibly replace the two Fuji lenses with one camera. I have found that that isn't exactly the case as I thought. Although it is probably closer than many would admit. Without going too far into it, I did some side by side comparisons with four of my Fuji lenses 18, 23, 33, 56. Just for fun, I wanted to see how well the Leica stood up to them.

For anyone more technically minded, the fact that the Leica is full frame makes the aperture give more background blur than the equivalent APSC f stop. So what I was surprised to find is that the Q3 is basically similar to the 18 1.4 in most ways. However it is sharper at all apertures except maybe in the very far corners wide open. And has a little bit more background blur. I like the rendering of the leica lens better, But that's also an area where things aren't as drastically different as people would expect when taking the exact same photo.

Anyway, to summarize, without moving my position if I were to take a picture with all of the lenses and compared to the Q3 all wide open, cropping the leica to match the field of view of the Fuji lenses creates identical framing and background compression. The 1.7 aperture of the Q3 can match or exceed up to about 23 mm 1.4 when cropped. The 33 1.4 gives a little bit more background blur, but this is also where the Q3 starts to be noticeably lower resolution on cropping. And it's a little bit beyond the threshold of what I would prefer.

I will be honest, if the Q3 was a 1.4 lens and 100 megapixels, it would actually match or exceed the Fuji 18 and 33 1.4 in optical quality. However, that's also not the end of the story. When using crop modes on the camera to visualize your focal length, it uses an overlay and doesn't change the actual viewfinder to fit the entire frame. This doesn't sound like a big deal, and probably isn't if you're just using the first crop setting. But the further in, it starts to be a little bit more challenging to visualize and compose your image. There are other aspects that I believe are actually better on the Fuji as well such as image stabilization, faster intermediate setting changes such as finer shutter speed adjustment, etc. needless to say I'm torn on the Q3, as I do like it a lot, but for the price I think is probably not enough camera for me to abandon Fuji.

But the issue is that once I started using the Q3, I started to really appreciate the ISO performance, additional sharpness, and a 60mp sensor. When I'm editing my files now i notice the q3 gives richer colors with less effort and requires very little work to get final results. Needless to say, i think the full frame quality has left me not wanting to go back

So the fuji may still work better for me for size and flexibility. But the q3 got me wondering if it would be possible to have full frame quality without adding much size. But apparently it is a unique camera in that regard.

So here we are, i found the a7cr to be a good size, and figured if i could find a good 2 lens setup to match the fuji in quality and at least close in size that could be endgame for me. I would still need telephoto, but as I don't typically carry them all the time size isn't as critical for that.

I'm not stuck on sony specifically but the AF and small body seems hard to beat.

Fwiw, I'm not super interested in manual focus lenses. But i am flexible in lens focal length and aperture. I could do 1.2-f2 and 24 or 26 instead of 28. And 40 or 50. Etc. but those two general lengths are my ideal 28/50.

Anyhow, just some more insight as to my thoughts. The q3 is less than ideal for the mid focal length (50) where i like to do a lot of portraits and such. And obviously you can't swap lenses. That that leaves me needing to keep at least a few lenses on the fuji which then makes it less worth it since i have the 18 1.4 already. Anyhow,i digress...



Oct 30, 2025 at 12:31 PM
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The Zeiss Batis 40mm f/2 is probably the nearest match to the Fuji 33mm. It is exactly the same weight. It directly follows format conversion math with double the image circle and half the aperture. The Batis is only larger to match the 67mm filter size of 4 of the other 5 Batis lenses. In hand, it feels fine. Fuji generally doesn't design their lenses in to match any particular aesthetic. Each one is as small as possible, hence the 58mm filter size on the 33mm lens. The Batis 40mm glass is smaller than the barrel so clearly Zeiss could have made it smaller rather than matching the filter sizing of the other lenses.


Oct 30, 2025 at 12:39 PM
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Very understandable experience.

I still think about the xf18mmf1.4 and xf33mmf1.4 combo for walkabout purposes but they're aren't cheap and if I'm going that big of a size on fuji (with an xe camera), I might as well take the Sony. So, I think it's logical to look into it.

I'm not super interested in manual focus lenses

I wasn't either before I stopped in here. In fact AF was a big reason to get the Sony. And it certainly is nice to have (compared to the performance with the xf 35mmf1.4 anyway) ... but I'm enjoying the experience with manual focus lenses quite a bit, especially when things are calm.

Obviously it's not for everyone, particularly if you shooting things quickly, or fast things, or have aging eyesight, doing it professionally etc. The A7Cii/R aren't known for their EVF quality either.




Oct 30, 2025 at 12:45 PM
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Yogifi wrote:
Very understandable experience.

I still think about the xf18mmf1.4 and xf33mmf1.4 combo for walkabout purposes but they're aren't cheap and if I'm going that big of a size on fuji (with an xe camera), I might as well take the Sony. So, I think it's logical to look into it.

I wasn't either before I stopped in here. In fact AF was a big reason to get the Sony. And it certainly is nice to have (compared to the performance with the xf 35mmf1.4 anyway) ... but I'm enjoying the experience with manual focus lenses quite a bit, especially when things
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To be clear, I like manual focus lenses, and would be very glad to use them. But there are situations where they just don't work as well so autofocus is a necessity.



Oct 30, 2025 at 01:24 PM
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I may have found my 50 lens...

Voigtlander APO-LANTHAR 50mm f/2 Aspherical Lens for Sony E

Anyone have experience with the bokeh of that? And now i just need a wide version.:-) perhaps the Voigtlander APO-LANTHAR 50mm f/2 Aspherical?

The leica would pay for the a7cr and both of those...

UPDATE: dang i knew that was too goo to be true. They're manual focus... Well poo.



Oct 30, 2025 at 02:35 PM
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ggweci wrote:
Sony 28mm f2 and 55mm f1.8 zeiss are a great combo, with quick AF, compact size, and can be had a fairly reasonable pricing. The 28mm may not be as good as the Fuji 18mm 1.4, but I do like the rendering of it.


So far this seems like the best combo. I would prefer a nicer 28 or 24 lens but the f2 looks decent enough. The 55 1.8 looks excellent.

Are there any reasons switching to the a7cr would be a bad choice? Anything I'm missing? The only real complaint i see is the evf but i assume it isn't any worse than the small fuji evfs like the xe5?



Oct 30, 2025 at 03:13 PM
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luisdent wrote:
So far this seems like the best combo. I would prefer a nicer 28 or 24 lens but the f2 looks decent enough. The 55 1.8 looks excellent.

Are there any reasons switching to the a7cr would be a bad choice? Anything I'm missing? The only real complaint i see is the evf but i assume it isn't any worse than the small fuji evfs like the xe5?


I think that's it - the viewfinder. Compared to the XE5, it's basically the same - possibly the exact same.

While the 28/2 is a reasonable lens, and the 55/1.8 is an excellent one, if you're a fan of the build and aperture ring of the Fuji lenses, you'll miss that on these. The Sigma i series are better built, and feel much nicer in the hand. An aperture ring is an absolute deal breaker for me, so I wouldn't consider a lens without one, but YMMV.

In terms of background blur, an f/1.4 on APS-C will roughly act like an f/2 on FF for the same field of view and magnification level. One thing you may want to explore is getting even shallower depth of field on FF, so, say, the Sony 24/1.4 GM and 50/1.4 GM. They're bigger than the Fuji lenses, but not necessarily big in an absolute sense.

You could also consider going longer than 55 and getting something like the superlative Sigma 65/2:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1689786/9#16352821

I think it's the optically best lens in the i series.




Oct 30, 2025 at 04:58 PM
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Dave Sanders wrote:
I think that's it - the viewfinder. Compared to the XE5, it's basically the same - possibly the exact same.

While the 28/2 is a reasonable lens, and the 55/1.8 is an excellent one, if you're a fan of the build and aperture ring of the Fuji lenses, you'll miss that on these. The Sigma i series are better built, and feel much nicer in the hand. An aperture ring is an absolute deal breaker for me, so I wouldn't consider a lens without one, but YMMV.

In terms of background blur, an f/1.4 on APS-C will roughly act
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Dang. I looked into that and i do prefer aperture rings, specifically because i didn't realize the a7cr doesn't have enough dials for all 3 exposure settings without extra button presses. I only shoot full manual and I don't mind where they are but i do want ss, iso, and aperture on dedicated controls... And the 65 looks excellent. I think i could work with that. Anything in the 24-28 range like that? Maybe the sigma 24 2?



Oct 31, 2025 at 12:52 AM
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The Sigma 65mm, really?
We started with a question about compact lenses and now we are at 405g and 62mm filter!
Yes, the lens really is super "sharp" but is that needed and top priority?



Oct 31, 2025 at 01:59 AM
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Jonas B wrote:
The Sigma 65mm, really?
We started with a question about compact lenses and now we are at 405g and 62mm filter!
Yes, the lens really is super "sharp" but is that needed and top priority?


I listed the Fuji 18 ad 33 as my ideal size limit roughly. The 65 is the same basic size as the 33. a little bit heavier, sure, but it is close and full frame, sharp, and wide aperture. So I'd say it's a pretty good recommendation.:-p



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Jonas B wrote:
The Sigma 65mm, really?
We started with a question about compact lenses and now we are at 405g and 62mm filter!
Yes, the lens really is super "sharp" but is that needed and top priority?


Yeah really

The design brief included the 18 and 33 as examples of size - the 65 is similar in size. In terms of quality, those lenses are excellent, super sharp, so I think that's important to match, especially given the OP has a Q3, another very sharp camera/lens combo.

For the OP: the Sigma 24/2 is an excellent lens and has nice bokeh - check out Gordon Laing's review for some good samples:






Oct 31, 2025 at 02:38 AM
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luisdent wrote:
I listed the Fuji 18 ad 33 as my ideal size limit roughly. The 65 is the same basic size as the 33. a little bit heavier, sure, but it is close and full frame, sharp, and wide aperture. So I'd say it's a pretty good recommendation.:-p



If f/2.0 qualifies as a large aperture, and you were actually looking for something small, light, and compact, I'd forget about the half-stop and choose the 2.5 50 G. Very small, very light, good autofocus, aperture ring, function button, AF/MF switch.
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-sony-fe-50mm-2-5-g/



Oct 31, 2025 at 02:38 AM
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I think best compact lenses for A7CR the Sony G cupcake lenses. Recently released Viltrox 50 Air is a great addition, but it's not exactly the smallest category. The old 35 f2.8 Zeiss also a good lens, but lower resolution than latest Sony G lenses. I also like my Voigtlander 21 3.5, where AF is not so critical because of the FOV and maximum aperture. Sigma 24 3.5 also good, but the Sony 24 is more preferable.
I'd pick 24 f2.8G paired 40 f2.8G or 50 F2 air, or both, because Viltrox is tad cheap.



Oct 31, 2025 at 02:57 AM
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Lukacs wrote:
I think best compact lenses for A7CR the Sony G cupcake lenses. Recently released Viltrox 50 Air is a great addition, but it's not exactly the smallest category. The old 35 f2.8 Zeiss also a good lens, but lower resolution than latest Sony G lenses. I also like my Voigtlander 21 3.5, where AF is not so critical because of the FOV and maximum aperture. Sigma 24 3.5 also good, but the Sony 24 is more preferable.
I'd pick 24 f2.8G paired 40 f2.8G or 50 F2 air, or both, because Viltrox is tad cheap.

But why would you recommend the 40mm lens instead of the 50mm G lens to someone who explicitly wants a 50mm lens? I don't understand.



Oct 31, 2025 at 03:16 AM
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Me,myself I would choose the FE28f2 and the FE55f1.8 (maybee I would exchange the FE28 with the Thypoch Simera 28 f1.4).
But for your case (aperature ring and AF are on your wish-list) I would recommend the Sigma 24f2 and 50f2 (same style, and 50 is the equivalent to the 33, the Sigma 65 is a diffrent story - more tele).



Oct 31, 2025 at 03:53 AM
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Nifty Fifty wrote:
But why would you recommend the 40mm lens instead of the 50mm G lens to someone who explicitly wants a 50mm lens? I don't understand.


I don't recommend specific him, the best small prime for A7CR are 24 and 40 Sony cupcake lenses, and I think 50 Air is better deal than 50G, of course if that +10mm length is not problem, and the same time I think 40 2.5G worth over Viltrox on A7CR because the better optical quality, unless you want save some money.
In the current case Sigma 24 f2 + 50 f2 is a good option but I don't consider them compact (as so Fuji 33 1.4 and 18 1.4). Those two Fuji lens are excellent, I wouldn't swap to A7CR from there, especially if he likes 28mm FOV.
A7CR has the benefit of 60MP resolution but I don't see the OP actually want high resolution. The other strength is the AF system, also don't see he missing this, especially if he satisfied with Q3 (for me not worth much of that device because the poor AF-C).
For that range Sigma 28-45 f1.8 is great one lens solution, the price is the size. Other one lens application maybe 35GM, but it's definitely not 28mm, and while it's small, not as compact as those Fuji lenses.
I'd recommend keep the Fuji if 28 and 50mm are important, and the AF is sufficient.



Oct 31, 2025 at 04:37 AM
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The 2.5 50 G is just as small and light as the 2.5 40 G.

And I strongly doubt that the 2.5 40 G is optically better than the Viltrox Air (which, by the way, doesn't have the required aperture ring). To be honest, I'd even bet that it's the other way around.



Oct 31, 2025 at 05:05 AM
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Jonas B wrote:
The Sigma 65mm, really?
We started with a question about compact lenses and now we are at 405g and 62mm filter!
Yes, the lens really is super "sharp" but is that needed and top priority?



luisdent wrote:
I listed the Fuji 18 ad 33 as my ideal size limit roughly. The 65 is the same basic size as the 33. a little bit heavier, sure, but it is close and full frame, sharp, and wide aperture. So I'd say it's a pretty good recommendation.:-p



I have to admit I never checked the size of the Fujifilm 33mm lens. I was stuck with the topic title about compact lenses.


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Jonas B wrote:
The Sigma 65mm, really?
We started with a question about compact lenses and now we are at 405g and 62mm filter!
Yes, the lens really is super "sharp" but is that needed and top priority?



Dave Sanders wrote:
Yeah really
The design brief included the 18 and 33 as examples of size - the 65 is similar in size. In terms of quality, those lenses are excellent, super sharp, so I think that's important to match, especially given the OP has a Q3, another very sharp camera/lens combo. [...]


As mentioned I was thinking about compact and not the size of a fuji 33mm monster. You are right.
I have to back off. My last argument against the big compact Sigma is that 65 is not 50. Maybe that also doesn't matter.... ;-)

Cheers!



Oct 31, 2025 at 06:14 AM
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Lukacs wrote:
I don't recommend specific him, the best small prime for A7CR are 24 and 40 Sony cupcake lenses, and I think 50 Air is better deal than 50G, of course if that +10mm length is not problem, and the same time I think 40 2.5G worth over Viltrox on A7CR because the better optical quality, unless you want save some money.
In the current case Sigma 24 f2 + 50 f2 is a good option but I don't consider them compact (as so Fuji 33 1.4 and 18 1.4). Those two Fuji lens are excellent, I wouldn't swap to A7CR from
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Do you think the 40G is a better lens than the 50G full stop? I have not seen anyone say that outright, although it has perhaps been implied a couple of times.

Agree about the Q3 but that's not in the game here anyway.



Oct 31, 2025 at 06:18 AM
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rob_ww wrote:
Do you think the 40G is a better lens than the 50G full stop? I have not seen anyone say that outright, although it has perhaps been implied a couple of times.

Agree about the Q3 but that's not in the game here anyway.


My view is that picking the 40G vs. the 50G is about the focal length rather than differences in performance, but that is just my take. Personally, I like a 40mm paired with a 24mm better than a 24mm paired with a 50mm, but again that is just my preference.

I do think an A7C camera paired with the 24G and 40G is a very nice combo, but it isn't the same as a Fuji camera paired with the 18 f/1.4 and 33 f/1.4. It might be the closest Sony has to offer, however. The Sony G lenses are about halfway between the Fuji f/1.4 lenses and the Fujicrons (i.e., their f/2 lenses), so if that was something somebody always wanted then Sony could be a really compelling option. And the Sony G lenses physically are quite similar to the Fuji lenses in having an aperture ring, weather sealing, and really good focus motors.



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