p.2 #1 · Anyone else skipping M5 chip and holding out for next gen OLED display + M6?
gdanmitchell wrote:
Are you familiar with the story of the old “Aperture” program? Apple developed it about the time that Adobe introduced Lightroom, and many people feel that Adobe rushed out Lightroom initially because they were concerned about the potention of the Apple alternative.
Apple has long used (sometimes quite successfully, and sometimes less so) software to induce users to switch to their system. In the music/audio world their Logic Pro application, which they initially bought from someone else, really caught on and became a front-line contender. Final Cut Pro accomplished something similar with video. There was a great relational database program that was spun off to Claris, too — “Filemaker.” And these days a lot of us Apple users no longer bother with the Microsoft Word/Excel/Powerpoint/etc. tools.
Of course, the ver tight integration between some of these tools and the Apple hardware has been, in part, related to their legal problems in the EU and potentially elsewhere. It is a tricky balancing act....Show more →
I remember Aperture, I never used it though. But my thinking is that was the Intel days, now they run on the M-series chip and various other improvements that could be integrated/optimized together. Who knows?
p.2 #7 · Anyone else skipping M5 chip and holding out for next gen OLED display + M6?
patotts wrote:
I remember Aperture, I never used it though. But my thinking is that was the Intel days, now they run on the M-series chip and various other improvements that could be integrated/optimized together. Who knows?
Yes, that was definitely from the Intel era. My point was just to remind people that Apple does did actually (buy and then adapt and build) an alternative to the Adobe photography apps and that it came close to being a really successful challenger to Adobe.
At that time, it was viewed as a product that was going to be transformative in the way that Lightroom ended up being transformative — a photography-focused graphics app that left behind some of the Photoshop baggage that wsn’t necesarily focused on photography.
I don’t recall the details at this point, but I think that the two programs (Lightroom and Aperture) shared some common software roots, and that the Apple effort was thought be be quite viable, so much so that Adobe rushed the release of Lightroom and took other steps to get photographers to pick it up before Aperture beat them to the punch.
p.2 #8 · Anyone else skipping M5 chip and holding out for next gen OLED display + M6?
mcbroomf wrote:
Art has the 1st real world tests I've seen for the M5
I was waiting for his video to see how much the Denoise processing times have improved. So it looks like the M5 is about 15-20% faster than the M4, while the M4 Pro is still almost twice as fast as the M5. The M4 Pro still looks like the better option for now.
I wonder if Adobe will be able to take advantage of the Neural Accelerators in the M5 GPU. It doesn’t look like they are doing so yet. Maybe when Lightroom Classic gets announced this week?
p.2 #9 · Anyone else skipping M5 chip and holding out for next gen OLED display + M6?
It will be interesting though I have no idea how much Neural Accelerators bring to the table. If we can wait it's definitely worth holding off for the M5 Pro or Max versions with 2x and 4x the cores.
There are a few other benchmark reviews out now and a couple of them found that the M5 draws more power and supposed that it runs at a higher clock speed than the M4 which might explain how it is so much better (given there's no process shrink from M4 to M5).
p.2 #10 · Anyone else skipping M5 chip and holding out for next gen OLED display + M6?
I'm on my M2 MBP 16" MAX with 2TB and 64GB. My target upgrade cycle when I got it was to keep it for 5-8 years. So, it's an easy "Yes" that I'm skipping M5.
Repurchasing $$$$, chassis, keyboard, display, TB and GB for % gains in CPU / GPU isn't something I'm in a hurry to do ... particularly when the machine is still faster than my editing demands in most (90%-ish) instances.
I figure that by the time the incremental YOY % gains compound and accrue ... I'll be in the 2X - 3X performance gain territory somewhere in that 5-8 year window. At that point, repurchasing TB / GB, etc. might be offset by the % performance gains. Of course, even if you can go 200 mph or 300 mph, 100 mph is still plenty fast for getting your groceries ... even if it seems slow by comparison.
p.2 #11 · Anyone else skipping M5 chip and holding out for next gen OLED display + M6?
mcbroomf wrote:
It will be interesting though I have no idea how much Neural Accelerators bring to the table. If we can wait it's definitely worth holding off for the M5 Pro or Max versions with 2x and 4x the cores.
There are a few other benchmark reviews out now and a couple of them found that the M5 draws more power and supposed that it runs at a higher clock speed than the M4 which might explain how it is so much better (given there's no process shrink from M4 to M5).
We likely need to wait until the Spring update to Lightroom as Adobe will need to make changes to support the Neural Accelerators.
Apple released a technical document on the Neural Accelerators in the M5 and how it compares to the M4. It also looks like memory is becoming more important to run these tasks.
