The 16-50 2.8 is EXACTLY the lens I was looking for for my DX travel kit. The 16-50 kit lens is decent but I was used to running with the 17-55 2.8 on my D500 so this will get a lot of use.
PixiPhotography wrote:
Z50 II is stellar. Great IQ plus 10-bit video...
A good amateur camera for the price.
It lacks IBIS, a stacked sensor, higher resolution. It does not include built-in sensor cleaning (like D7500). Moreover, a EN-EL 15c battery would be compatible with FF bodies and would guarantee longer autonomy.
A small built-in flash that works as a commander (like the one on the Coolpix P7800 ... isn't that difficult) wouldn't be bad.
Ripolini wrote:
A good amateur camera for the price.
It lacks IBIS, a stacked sensor, higher resolution. It does not include built-in sensor cleaning (like D7500). Moreover, a EN-EL 15c battery would be compatible with FF bodies and would guarantee longer autonomy.
A small built-in flash that works as a commander (like the one on the Coolpix P7800 ... isn't that difficult) wouldn't be bad.
A DX camera with these features won't be cheap. I'd prefer for Nikon to make another camera with those features than move Z50II up to that level. Current one's feature set is perfect for the asking price.
Ripolini wrote:
A good amateur camera for the price.
It lacks IBIS, a stacked sensor, higher resolution. It does not include built-in sensor cleaning (like D7500). Moreover, a EN-EL 15c battery would be compatible with FF bodies and would guarantee longer autonomy.
A small built-in flash that works as a commander (like the one on the Coolpix P7800 ... isn't that difficult) wouldn't be bad.
I don't think classifying it as an amateur camera is the right assessment. Not everyone needs all those features all the time. People were taking excellent photos for professional uses when those things didn't exist. They aren't necessary for every situation. I made money off photos taken with a D7100, and it didn't have IBIS, a stacked sensor, or high resolution. I think sometimes a smaller camera is just the right tool for the right job. I have a Z8, but I love taking my Z50ii with an assortment of DX lenses with me to travel. Before I had the Z50ii, I was using the Zfc and I took it to New York on a family trip and got some great photos that I wouldn't have been able to capture because I tried fitting the Z8 and the FF lenses into the same bag, and it was uncomfortably too much. I wouldn't have taken it with me. The smaller DX system was perfect.
Now, I do think it's ridiculous that Nikon won't let the Z50ii flash act as a commander. There really is no reason for that ability to be excluded.
SiMuMe wrote:
A DX camera with these features won't be cheap... Current one's feature set is perfect for the asking price.
Sure. I would rather spend more on another Nikon Z DX camera if it existed. I can't say whether Nikon engineers conceived the 16-50/2.8 for the Z50 II or in anticipation of a more professional (and more expensive) DX Z body. Just as the 16-50/2.8 enriches the lens line-up, a more performing body would also enrich their offering.
I also understand that continuing to use the same sensor and an already developed Expeed means spending less and earning more. I'm glad for the shareholders.
Vorpahl wrote:
I don't think classifying it as an amateur camera is the right assessment. Not everyone needs all those features all the time. People were taking excellent photos for professional uses when those things didn't exist. They aren't necessary for every situation.
Nikon itself does not put it among the professional cameras
DPReview stated: "fun on a budget, but it's no baby Z6 III".
So, classifying it as an amateur camera is not a personal opinion.
Vorpahl wrote:
I made money off photos taken with a D7100, and it didn't have IBIS, a stacked sensor, or high resolution. I think sometimes a smaller camera is just the right tool for the right job.
I agree with you: I made money off photos taken with a N-8008.
However, nobody said that you can't make money with a Z50II.
Magnum photographer Alex Majoli had been using Olympus point and shoot cameras, the C 8080, C 5050 and C5060, for many of his assignments, including shooting in Israel for Vanity Fair and the U.S. presidential elections for Newsweek.
This does not imply that the Olympus P&S cameras can be classified as "pro".
Ripolini wrote:
A good amateur camera for the price.
It lacks IBIS, a stacked sensor, higher resolution. It does not include built-in sensor cleaning (like D7500). Moreover, a EN-EL 15c battery would be compatible with FF bodies and would guarantee longer autonomy.
A small built-in flash that works as a commander (like the one on the Coolpix P7800 ... isn't that difficult) wouldn't be bad.
IBIS and stacked sensor would make it a $2000+ camera, which isn't the point for DX. Don't get me wrong, that would be awesome, a D500 replacement, but I think Nikon would release such camera down the road.
Question: How much would cost a camera with
- 32.5MP APS-C CMOS sensor with Dual Pixel AF
- Up to 30 fps shooting (e-shutter, 30 fps x 93 RAW, 126 JPEG), 15 fps with mechanical shutter (and AF)
- In-body image stabilization, rated at up to 7 stops
- Oversampled UHD 4K up to 30p, line-skipped or cropped 4K/60p
- 10-bit video as 'PQ' true HDR footage or C-Log
- 2.36M dot OLED viewfinder
- 1.62M dot fully-articulating touchscreen
- Twin UHS-II SD card slot
- Environmental sealing
- Mic and headphone sockets
- same 15 Wh battery as FF body (660 shots per charge or 380 when using the viewfinder)
- Made in Japan
?
Answer: 1300 €.
Seems like you're talking about the Canon R7 - which I see listed at 1,500 € in most places in Europe - not sure why Italy it's cheaper (and it's 1350€). It sells for $1,650 here in the US, so around a 65% premium (though it's on sale at the moment) over the Z50 II.
And it's a 3 year old camera - if it came out today (even with the same specs) it would likely cost $1,800.
So yeah, it's a pretty significant price bump.
If Nikon further fleshes out the DX lineup with a few nice high end lenses, a higher end APS-C camera can certainly be viable, and I would expect it to be similar to that in specification.
As it is now, the Z50 II may not be that higher end body, but it matches up reasonably well: Very similar video specs - 4K 30p full width with 4k 60 with a crop. 10-bit, HLG or log. Has mic and headphone sockets. 15fps burst in e-shutter, and 11 fps mechanical in RAW. 30fps in JPEG. Buffer is 200 shots in 14-bit RAW, so a bit slower burst rates, but much larger buffer. Same viewfinder resolution and only slightly larger magnification.
So where the R7 is better is: IBIS, higher resolution, faster burst rates, dual card slots and the bigger battery. All would be nice, for sure - though IBIS is mitigated somewhat by all the DX zooms having VR built in, which is nice. Note the R7 isn't a stacked sensor - and that ask would bump up the price a LOT (look how expensive the OM-3 is because of the stacked sensor, and that's m4/3)
I'd expect a hypothetical higher end Z APS-C body to compete very well with an R7 / future R7 II and probably cost $1,700. If they went with a stacked sensor it would likely be $2,000.
I am glad to see both of these lenses come out even though I haven’t had a DX body since 2011. It is in the best interest of manufacturers to differentiate themselves from smartphones and offer compelling products.
I currently have a Z6 that I expected was going to be a first camera for my children but frankly think a Z50ii would be a better option in a few years. The 1.7 primes plus this lens are a great little set of options and of course the other 1.4 and 1.8 primes also fit well in some cases as do some of the 3rd party lenses.
I know so many folks here would still like a higher end DX body for Z mount. I am just glad to see Nikon strengthen the line. This will also be important from a budgetary perspective to the more cost conscious consumers in the US as we deal with the results of all the tariff actions. (Not saying this as a political point but purely as a statement of fact that consumer prices are being impacted and the tariffs make it more favorable for a lower budgeted purchaser to consider a DX or used body than a new Z5 or Z5ii and associated FX lenses.
