Some users with production cameras have reported that H.265 is still pretty soft. So probably not a match for your needs.
As far as I am concerned, I think that I'll be fine with Red raw 4K25. The bit rate is identical to NRaw high quality which I have been using on my Z8/Z9. My new 2TB cards are probably overkill.
Thank you, do you mean Youtubers or people on the forums?
And that is disappointing because I want a big ass screen like that 😂.
bernardl wrote:
Some users with production cameras have reported that H.265 is still pretty soft. So probably not a match for your needs.
As far as I am concerned, I think that I'll be fine with Red raw 4K25. The bit rate is identical to NRaw high quality which I have been using on my Z8/Z9. My new 2TB cards are probably overkill.
Mine should arrive tomorrow. I’ll be trying it out with a Megadap + my Sony lenses for the time being, but if I click with it, I might just start looking into some Z mount native lenses also.
Even if it’s primarily a “cinema” camera, I think it has great potential to be a catch-all camera that does both, video and photo very well, especially for travel.
Who knows? The ZR and 40mm F/2 could very well replace my Ricoh GRIIIx as my go-to, daily driver. I realize it’d be nowhere near as pocketable, but still compact enough with (in theory) better photo IQ, and obviously better video capability.
n8rv wrote:
Mine should arrive tomorrow. I’ll be trying it out with a Megadap + my Sony lenses for the time being, but if I click with it, I might just start looking into some Z mount native lenses also.
Even if it’s primarily a “cinema” camera, I think it has great potential to be a catch-all camera that does both, video and photo very well, especially for travel.
Who knows? The ZR and 40mm F/2 could very well replace my Ricoh GRIIIx as my go-to, daily driver. I realize it’d be nowhere near as pocketable, but still compact enough with (in theory) better photo IQ, and obviously better video capability. ...Show more →
Indeed, I think that there is excellent potential for still also. Read out speed is probably slower for still than for video but still pretty decent as long as you don't need to use flash.
n8rv wrote:
Even if it’s primarily a “cinema” camera, I think it has great potential to be a catch-all camera that does both, video and photo very well, especially for travel.
Yes, I am interested in it as a do it all camera too…Just not ready to have to shoot video files that require 20 times the storage of my Sony.
I have had Z cameras in the past, and the lenses that I got for them were sharp as hell.
ronno wrote:
Yes, I am interested in it as a do it all camera too…Just not ready to have to shoot video files that require 20 times the storage of my Sony.
I have had Z cameras in the past, and the lenses that I got for them were sharp as hell.
Do you shoot any action subjects (stills) at all? If you don't then it might work, but there are fewer physical controls available. A lot of photographers who shoot action subjects like to have a lot of customizable controls to make it easier to switch between settings. However, if you mostly photograph subjects that do not move fast, then this may not be a priority. Indoor lights could be a problem also due to the lack of a mechanical shutter. I was shooting a theatrical play last year and even with the faster 3.7 ms readout of the Z8, I got horizontal stripes across the image, and had to switch to the Zf which handled those lights perfectly. The 14 ms readout of the ZR will just produce more banding in such situations. As more and more LED lights are used, this might be alleviated as at least in high-quality LED lighting I haven't had banding with the Z8.
Anyway, I wouldn't personally choose the ZR for still photography and I'm kind of waiting to see if Nikon can resolve all of the shadow flickering problems with the ZR and Z6III before committing to either camera. I have read reports that the shadow flickering doesn't show up in R3D files but does in h.265 with the ZR, so that at least suggests a solution is possible, but I would like to see Nikon recognize the problem and make sure users of either camera never see it.
"H.265
ISO800 N-Log - noise reduction destroys all the high resolution details.
RAW
- 8 stops of exposure latitude is the limit! Putting this into context, the Panasonic LUMIX S1 II managed 10 stops of exposure latitude.
-The Sony A9 III (Lab Test here) with the global shutter sensor exhibited 9 stops of exposure latitude, just using the 10-bit internal compressed codec!
- average but OK dynamic range figures, and an average 8 stops of exposure latitude put it in the middle ground of full-frame consumer cameras."
My ZR arrived yesterday and when I went to insert a battery the battery compartment door broke loose from the body. No battery door meant I could not power up the camera. This has been a common problem for owners of Nikon Coolpix cameras but not something I was expecting with a $2,200 camera.
I would have gladly paid an additional $20 to have a camera with a solid battery door. At this point in time I am back to using the Z9 for video. I will wait for the ZR II camera and hope that the battery door defect is fixed.
Here are my first impressions of the camera. Mind you, I've filmed with it for less than an hour. H265 sucks, ergonomics suck, dynamic range is average or worse, and shutter button sucks. I've shot on most Sony cameras and owned the C70 in the past. I currently own an R5II and a RED Raptor s35. I can say that the ZR is more than the sum of it's parts. The image is beautiful! I can definitely tell that there is a difference in dynamic range compared with the raptor, but this makes me excited for what is to come from a higher end model. I went on a 2 week trip to Europe this summer and had to lug my 15 pound raptor along with my photo cameras. Having the ZR, with a lower weight and footprint along with AF will be awesome. I looked at getting the Canon C50 as well, but that image is close to the R5II, which is not close to my Raptor. The price and the ability to use my leftover sony lenses makes this camera a no brainer.
elkhornsun wrote:
My ZR arrived yesterday and when I went to insert a battery the battery compartment door broke loose from the body. No battery door meant I could not power up the camera. This has been a common problem for owners of Nikon Coolpix cameras but not something I was expecting with a $2,200 camera.
I would have gladly paid an additional $20 to have a camera with a solid battery door. At this point in time I am back to using the Z9 for video. I will wait for the ZR II camera and hope that the battery door defect is fixed. ...Show more →
Oh man, that's tough luck. Hope you can get a replacement or refund.
The camera door does feel a little flimsy and I can see how it could come off if tugged a little too hard. Otherwise the build feels solid. Heavier and more substantial than I first imagined.
The only thing that made me nervous was an audible thump and clunk when I picked it up and rotated the body around. I assumed it might just be the floating sensor and this was confirmed when I turned on the camera and IBIS kicked in. No more clunks. I suppose it's normal, though I guess we'll have to see what kind of durability concerns that could raise.
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Howie4life wrote:
Here are my first impressions of the camera. Mind you, I've filmed with it for less than an hour. H265 sucks, ergonomics suck, dynamic range is average or worse, and shutter button sucks. I've shot on most Sony cameras and owned the C70 in the past. I currently own an R5II and a RED Raptor s35. I can say that the ZR is more than the sum of it's parts. The image is beautiful! I can definitely tell that there is a difference in dynamic range compared with the raptor, but this makes me excited for what is to come from a higher end model. I went on a 2 week trip to Europe this summer and had to lug my 15 pound raptor along with my photo cameras. Having the ZR, with a lower weight and footprint along with AF will be awesome. I looked at getting the Canon C50 as well, but that image is close to the R5II, which is not close to my Raptor. The price and the ability to use my leftover sony lenses makes this camera a no brainer....Show more →
Wait, so does it suck or does it not suck?
I've been too busy with work to do more than go through some setup and shoot a couple of test clips from my office. Hoping to have a bit more time with it when the weekend comes, including a couple of A/B tests against my FX3.
According to the numbers in the cined database, Prores HQ seems to have less noise reduction than h.265 but more than R3D or N-RAW. So users have this option for easy editing with built-in lens profile corrections etc. and less noise reduction (but still some) than h.265. I personally like Prores HQ a lot on the Z8. Yes, the files are big but the quality is good and the files are easy to edit.
ronno wrote:
Some highlights from Cined:
"H.265
ISO800 N-Log - noise reduction destroys all the high resolution details.
RAW
- 8 stops of exposure latitude is the limit! Putting this into context, the Panasonic LUMIX S1 II managed 10 stops of exposure latitude.
-The Sony A9 III (Lab Test here) with the global shutter sensor exhibited 9 stops of exposure latitude, just using the 10-bit internal compressed codec!
- average but OK dynamic range figures, and an average 8 stops of exposure latitude put it in the middle ground of full-frame consumer cameras."
