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p.2 #1 · I want to get an upgrade to my 17-40L lens, any thoughts?


The one EF lens I kept after gong Mirrorless:

https://www.mpb.com/en-us/product/canon-ef-16-35mm-f-4-l-is-usm

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-16-35mm-f-4-L-IS-USM-Lens.aspx



Oct 02, 2025 at 02:25 PM
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p.2 #2 · I want to get an upgrade to my 17-40L lens, any thoughts?


stanj wrote:
Where I'm coming from: I absolutely love my 10-20 (although I learned its limits and challenges all too well in Cambodia).




I found that in hot/humid regions like Southeast Asia having a front element like the 10-20 has is a PITA due to fogging, rain, and the need to constantly wipe it down. It's not as easy as wiping/cleaning a more traditional front element. So I reverted back to the EF 8-15 FE for times when I want to go super wide, because that lens is much easier to clean without the built in hood and it's a very sharp/compact lens.



Oct 02, 2025 at 03:03 PM
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artsupreme wrote:
I found that in hot/humid regions like Southeast Asia having a front element like the 10-20 has is a PITA due to fogging, rain, and the need to constantly wipe it down.


Exactly. Plus if you carry your camera on a sling strap it will inadvertently touch your sweaty body and you end up with an incredible mess which is very hard to clean off afield. One has to be super religious about putting the lens cap on. Many a photo was ruined by a dirty front element.



Oct 02, 2025 at 07:12 PM
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EB-1 wrote:
IME the 17-40 was not very good, and neither was the 16-35/2.8. The 16-35/2.8 II was a little better, but still not great. The 16-35/2.8 III is the only one I would consider for the R5. However, I still use the 16-35/4 IS with an adapter and not my three 16-35/2.8s. The f/4 lens is quite good and would be in your price range.

Starting from zero maybe you should get the 14-35 RF, but probably it is over your price range.

EBH


If the OP is looking to get another EF lens, I agree with you about the 16-35mm f/2.8L. In my experience, that is one of Canon's better zoom lenses, and it should work really well with older cameras or with the R bodies with an adapter.

The 17-40mm f/4 was an "interesting" lens. Stopped down, say for landscape photography, it could do pretty well. Opened up, not so much. :-)



Oct 02, 2025 at 07:32 PM
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stanj wrote:
Where I'm coming from: I absolutely love my 10-20 (although I learned its limits and challenges all too well in Cambodia). The biggest challenge is that it ends at 20, which back in my youth was the wide end of the "crazy" 20-35L that I owned. The long-end mils is what makes the lens more general purpose. I know 28 isn't 20, but it's not 35 either.


That does take me back too. When I was in college the very underfunded college photographer had as his widest lens a Nikon 20mm to something zoom, which he used with a Nikon D200, was equivalent to 30mm on a 35mm camera at the widest. Well, he had to shoot a school alum that served in the U.S. Congress. Given the small congressional office, he had to jam himself into the corners to get usable shots. At the same time, I had a Canon 35mm f/2 with paired with the 1.6x crop factor or 56mm equivalent as my widest lens.

I can't imagine being limited in that way anymore. 16mm on FF is about perfect for my needs.



Oct 02, 2025 at 10:28 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
If the OP is looking to get another EF lens, I agree with you about the 16-35mm f/2.8L. In my experience, that is one of Canon's better zoom lenses, and it should work really well with older cameras or with the R bodies with an adapter.

The 17-40mm f/4 was an "interesting" lens. Stopped down, say for landscape photography, it could do pretty well. Opened up, not so much. :-)


I did not have great experience with the EF 16-35/2.8 v1 or v2. I never got around to the v3, but a photographer friend had one that I briefly used. It was definitely the best of the three.

My copy of the v1 gradually and steadily improved as it was stopped down, so for landscape type use, it was mostly an f/8 type of lens. It was usable wide open for typical documentary use when edge performance was not critical, but it was not stellar. My copy of the v2 had pretty wild field curvature in the 16-18mm range. Canon serviced it a few times but never got it to what I considered a satisfactory level. I know that lens could perform better because the CPS loaner I had whenever my copy was in for service was very good from wide open through the zoom range. Eventually I ended up with the f/4L IS version, which was the best of the xx-35mm Canon UWA zooms I owned over the years. Unfortunately with this one, a little while back it started to perform very poorly at the wide end (soft periphery). Servicing by Canon improved it, but not back to its original performance. I've kind of given up on UWA zooms at the moment and instead got the RF 16/2.8, though it's a compromise lens and not all that great in the outer third of the frame. But it is tiny in comparison. I'd like to see Canon release a 20/2.8 pancake equivalent because often 16mm is way wider than I need/want.

I recently borrowed a 10-20 from CPS and it was a very good performer, but I think I'll go with the 14-35/4 if/when I get an RF UWA zoom. While the 10-20 is very cool, it really demands careful composition and scenes that can provide good foreground content at the wide end of its zoom range.



Oct 03, 2025 at 03:49 AM
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rscheffler wrote:
I did not have great experience with the EF 16-35/2.8 v1 or v2. I never got around to the v3, but a photographer friend had one that I briefly used. It was definitely the best of the three.

My copy of the v1 gradually and steadily improved as it was stopped down, so for landscape type use, it was mostly an f/8 type of lens. It was usable wide open for typical documentary use when edge performance was not critical, but it was not stellar.


These lenses, the EF 16-35/2.8L I / II, always came off as the UWA zoom equivalent of a fast prime. Sharp enough in the center wide open, improve drastically when stopped down. For a lot of usecases that was a enough (still could be).

The third version seems so overcorrected that it loses some of the 'magic' of the earlier lenses in terms of rendering, while the Ef f/4 lens seems to do just about everything right except being f/2.8.



Oct 03, 2025 at 08:36 AM
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rscheffler wrote:
I did not have great experience with the EF 16-35/2.8 v1 or v2. I never got around to the v3, but a photographer friend had one that I briefly used. It was definitely the best of the three.


I never owned one of those f/2.8 16-35mm lenses, but after hearing a lot of cheerleading about them I did look into them when I decided to replace that 17-40mm f/4.

The latter lens definitely had its weaknesses — though in its defense it could do decently well for a lot of landscape photography… and it was inexpensive! But when I started looking into the f/2.8 versions that were supposedly better, the actual test result specs suggested that this wasn’t necessarily the case. It did, admittedly, offer one extra stop and therefor, better performance at the largest apertures. But a range of tests suggested that it was no better when stopped down a bit and that the 17-40 might actually be as good or a bit better in the center at those smaller apertures!

In the end, for those of us looking for a lens for something like landscape photography, Canon introduced that wonderful 16-35mm f/4L, a really excellent lens that seemed optically better than all of their alternatives.



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p.2 #9 · I want to get an upgrade to my 17-40L lens, any thoughts?


There is a RF 14-35 f/4 in the B&S forum.


Oct 03, 2025 at 09:56 AM
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p.2 #10 · I want to get an upgrade to my 17-40L lens, any thoughts?


If your processing software has a profile for the RF 14-35, I'd highly recommend the lens... but your software needs to support it, as it requires software correction to get good results. Mine (used with an R5) replaced a EF 16-35 f/4L and I've been delighted. The lens is fairly small and light, and can produce excellent images. It's also much sharper and produces better overall images than the EF 17-40L, which I sold 9 years ago.


Oct 03, 2025 at 01:05 PM
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Of the lenses mentioned so far, I currently own the EF 17-40mm f4.0L, and the RF 16-28mm f2.8 STM. I had the old EF 16-35mm f4.0L but sold it some time ago.

In my limited experience, I have the following to say about these lenses:

1. Canon EF 17-40mm f4.0L. I have one of the only two copies ever produced by Canon that is tack sharp and focuses very fast adapted to my R6II. (I believe the only other sharp copy is owned by Ken Rockwell). Based entirely on the opinions of people here on FM, this lens is one of the worst lenses ever to come out of a manufacturing facility. It was a miracle that anyone ever captured any images with it. Me and Ken Rockwell were lucky to find the only two amazingly sharp, well built copies in existence. My suggestion? Don't bother buying it. You too might end up with a superb copy, but you will be branded a heretic if you dare praise it in any way.

2. Canon RF 16-28mm f2.8 STM. I purchased it a few months ago. It is sharp, but takes some getting used to. You have to turn the zoom ring to use the lens (it retracts past 16mm for "storage mode"). While I mostly shoot wide angle (16mm and 24mm), I wish it would go to 40mm like my old, "obsolete" EF 17-40mm f4.0L. Also, it feels plasticky, but is not as lightweight as one would imagine it to be.

3. Canon EF 16-35mm f4.0L. Had it. Sold it. Never cared much for it. It was too long, too plasticky, and was not as tack sharp as other lenses I've owned.

On another note, sometimes lens variations are a real thing. I have owned several "legendary" lenses that ended up being total disappointments, while I've also owned lenses despised by many (like the Canon EF 17-40mm f4.0L) that turned out to be absolute gems. This goes for lenses I've purchased for my other camera systems as well (Sony FE mount, Nikon DSLR, Olympus & Panasonic m4/3).



Oct 03, 2025 at 11:22 PM
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AmbientMike wrote:
Tamron had a newer EF 17-35 IIRC that looked quite good (old one might not be too great not sure.) Mpb and keh are more around $1200 on the 14-35 unless you get a beater for <$1k could probably get one a little less private seller. 15-30 Tamron supposed to be excellent

Yeah, the Tamron EF17-35 Di OSD got good reviews, some calling it the same as or better optically than the Canon 16-35 f4.



Oct 04, 2025 at 11:10 AM
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snegron7 wrote:
Of the lenses mentioned so far, I currently own the EF 17-40mm f4.0L, and the RF 16-28mm f2.8 STM. I had the old EF 16-35mm f4.0L but sold it some time ago.

In my limited experience, I have the following to say about these lenses:

1. Canon EF 17-40mm f4.0L. I have one of the only two copies ever produced by Canon that is tack sharp and focuses very fast adapted to my R6II. (I believe the only other sharp copy is owned by Ken Rockwell). Based entirely on the opinions of people here on FM, this lens is one of
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Your good karma with the 17-40 was apparently cancelled by your bad karma with the 16-35 f/4 — thus ensuring, I suppose, balance in the universe.

The 17-40 was actually better than the common wisdom suggested. Because it was far less expensive and only f/4, it was a tempting target for those who only believed that the much more expensive 16-35 f/2.8 could possibly be good. I did not own the latter lens, but I recall checking the results of a lot of the various lens reviews and tests and noting that while it scored higher in the corners a bit, it scored less sharp in the center of the frame.

The 1i7-40 had soft corners wide open. (Though quite a few reviewers seemed to not realize that at 17mm some of the stuff at the lower edges was not at the same distance from the lens and stuff in the center of the frame, and instead of recognizing his as, at least in part, a DOF issue they said "soft corners!")

Overall, my copy was pretty good. Maybe there were three of us?

My experience with the 16-35mm f/4 (which I still own and use) has been pretty much the opposite of yours. While I don't use it a lot, when I do it is an excellent performer. It is sharper than either the 16-35mm f/2.8 lenses or the 17-40mm f/4, and it has good corner performance. (There were some centering issues with the first copies when the lease was released, but Canon dealt with those.) If by "plasticky" you are referring to the physical construction of the lens, I'm confused, since it is built like pretty much all L lenses. I agree that it is not a short lens.



Oct 04, 2025 at 03:18 PM
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p.2 #14 · I want to get an upgrade to my 17-40L lens, any thoughts?


I've had most of the lenses discussed in this thread. The one I still have is the RF 14-35 f/4. It is small and light, goes down to 14mm, and sharp.


Oct 04, 2025 at 03:33 PM
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snegron7 wrote:
Of the lenses mentioned so far, I currently own the EF 17-40mm f4.0L, and the RF 16-28mm f2.8 STM. I had the old EF 16-35mm f4.0L but sold it some time ago.

In my limited experience, I have the following to say about these lenses:

1. Canon EF 17-40mm f4.0L. I have one of the only two copies ever produced by Canon that is tack sharp and focuses very fast adapted to my R6II. (I believe the only other sharp copy is owned by Ken Rockwell). Based entirely on the opinions of people here on FM, this lens is one of
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Those old lenses aren't any good. That's why I'm still using my 20 year old Tamron 180 ;D



Oct 06, 2025 at 12:48 AM
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p.2 #16 · I want to get an upgrade to my 17-40L lens, any thoughts?


I can attest the EF17-40mm f4L is soft at the corners at wide open aperture, but for the price I paid for it ($500 used, 15 years ago) I don't really mind. Most applications I've used the ultra wide angle for, the corners aren't critical. I had planned to replace it with a EF16-35 f4L IS.

The other surprising thing I found about the 17-40mm is that it works great as a general purpose video lens with my C100. It focuses fast and quietly, and it doesn't extend or rotate, which makes use with a matte box and trimming balance on the Steadicam easier. Plus the C100 is a Super35 sensor (close to 1.6 crop) which uses the center of the image and cuts out the periphery.



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