Is there some reason people are expecting these to be chipped? I wasn't under the impression that Thypoch has ever even hinted at doing so or had electronics associated with any mount for their lenses - but I've not followed closely and so might be out of the loop...
Unfortunately, unchipped lenses make Typhoch significantly less attractive.
If the lenses were chipped, I would have bought the 28/1.4 long ago, but not like this, Thypoch.
Personally, I don't really care about focus confirmation or the lack of EXIF data, but what really sucks is that the recall shooting function also doesn't work with a non-CPU lens.
I noticed this with the Z8 after FW 3.0.
With the Apo Lanthar, which is chipped, it works wonderfully, but unfortunately not with my non-CPU lenses.
It doesn't matter what you configure with it.
I originally configured RSF as a “subject detection kill switch,” but no RSF function works with a non-CPU lens, not even spot metering.
In other words, the Recall Shooting Function feature is inactive with non-CPU lenses.
This simply adds up in terms of quality of life features compared to a chipped Voigtlander MF lens, and since I still have plenty of non-CPU lenses in my possession, I don't need another one.
Ugh, another thing needlessly tied to chipping by Nikon!!! Sorry to hear that @Vento!
Honestly, this seems a Nikon problem more than anything. It is nice that Voigt goes to the trouble to deal with the silliness by adding a chip, but there is no need honestly.
Similarly we can't get trap focus even with a Voigt because of unnecessary camera firmware restrictions. Or rather, because Nikon doesn't even think trap focus is a useful thing and we are lucky enough to be able to configure it as an "accidental feature" only if we have an AF lens attached.
Of course, Nikon isn't the only guilty manufacturer here! Not trying to single them out. Just saying, having to "chip" MF lenses to make various features work for no technical reason is an annoying aspect of multiple cameras and manufacturers.
kwalsh wrote:
Ugh, another thing needlessly tied to chipping by Nikon!!! Sorry to hear that @Vento@!
Honestly, this seems a Nikon problem more than anything. It is nice that Voigt goes to the trouble to deal with the silliness by adding a chip, but there is no need honestly.
Similarly we can't get trap focus even with a Voigt because of unnecessary camera firmware restrictions. Or rather, because Nikon doesn't even think trap focus is a useful thing and we are lucky enough to be able to configure it as an "accidental feature" only if we have an AF lens attached.
Of course, Nikon isn't the only guilty manufacturer here! Not trying to single them out. Just saying, having to "chip" MF lenses to make various features work for no technical reason is an annoying aspect of multiple cameras and manufacturers....Show more →
THIS!!!
Its the cripple hammer from Nikon- Thats why I think M mount is the better bet and just grab a small adapter that is coded. All MF aids works fine after.
kwalsh wrote:
Is there some reason people are expecting these to be chipped? I wasn't under the impression that Thypoch has ever even hinted at doing so or had electronics associated with any mount for their lenses - but I've not followed closely and so might be out of the loop...
Someone posted on here a few months back that they had been in touch with Thypoch who said that an updated chipped esion of the 28mm was in the works.
I have been using two unchipped lenses (Nikkor AI 50/1.4 & Zeiss ZF 100/2 Makro-Planar) on my Z6 since the day I bought it, and I have not encountered any particular disadvantages compared to my chipped MF lenses (Zeiss ZF.2 & Voigtlander Apo-Lanthars).
Those who buy a Thypoch Simera are perhaps looking for something more substantial in terms of image rendering.
The presence or absence of the chip does not affect image quality, and if I ever had to photograph dogs running, children jumping on the sofa, and things like that, well, I would use an AF lens.
I would like to hear from those who have them if there is any degradation at the corners of Z-mount Simera lenses compared to M-mount version(s) on Leica bodies.
And I enjoy the speed and ease of MF so much with a chipped lens that I'll never buy another unchipped MF native Z lens. See how preferences work? Thypoch already lost two 28mm sales in this thread alone by their stubbornness
Ripolini wrote:
I have been using two unchipped lenses (Nikkor AI 50/1.4 & Zeiss ZF 100/2 Makro-Planar) on my Z6 since the day I bought it, and I have not encountered any particular disadvantages compared to my chipped MF lenses (Zeiss ZF.2 & Voigtlander Apo-Lanthars).
There are hardly any features on the Z6 that are really affected by this.
It's limited to missing information in the EXIF and the lack of focus confirmation via the green dot.
The situation is different with the Z8 and other Expeed7 bodys, where the entire recall shooting function remains inactive on non-CPU lenses, which significantly impairs the camera's optimal configurability.
Some functions can no longer be assigned to a hotkey at all, such as spot metering, which can only be assigned via RSF/RSFH.
MF has become much more convenient on some of the Expeed7 bodies, thanks to subject detection in MF and the associated magnification of up to 400%.
This is basically brilliant, especially with lenses like my Canon FD 85/1.2 L for portraits with subject/eye/face detection in MF, magnification goes instantly to the subject/eye, but it sucks that you are then gimped again because the RSF/RSFH doesn't work, for example, to instantly exit subject detection.
RSF/RSFH is such a powerful feature that enables many individual configurations; removing it significantly limits the configuration options.
Of course, you can do without it, which is no problem for me with my vintage lenses, as they are originals from times without (M42) or without significant electronic communication (Canon FD, Mamiya 645 Sekor).
However, this does not mean that I would accept this rudimentary approach in a modern lens from 2025 in the price range of a Thypoch.
Vento wrote:
MF has become much more convenient on some of the Expeed7 bodies, thanks to subject detection in MF and the associated magnification of up to 400%.
Which Expeed7 bodies do NOT provide this feature? Thanks.
I don't know the features from all Expeed7 bodies, but the Z9 would be such a candidate.
Otherwise, I think they all have MF subject/face/eye detection now.
Either from the start, like the Zf, or with FW updates, like the Z8 and Z6III.
RSF/RSFH is definitely available on the Z8/Z9 and Z6III.
I have no idea what it's like on the Z5II and Z50II.
'looking for something more substantial in terms of image rendering'
Yes, indeed.
'..those who have them if there is any degradation at the corners of Z-mount Simera lenses compared to M-mount version(s) on Leica bodies..
Very difficult to test with reliable and valid methodology. Their lenses are designed like cine lenses, to have deliberately softer and lower contrast corners. So wide open they have designer corner degradation, just like Cooke and Leica etc. in the cine world.
But to celebrate this move by DZO, here is a snap 50/1.4 image (and its 100% crop) taken with an M mount Simera 50mm sitting on a dumb Novoflex adapter, on my 2013 Sony a7r. I took this one three weeks ago. Bear in mind too: these are light cine lenses, i.e. portrait oriented.
