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I've been trying my hand this week at shooting street photography from the hip. I'm not sure it's my thing, but I can't help but admit that it produces images that are impossible to get when bringing your eye up to a viewfinder or taking time to look at your LCD screen.

I've been out three times, covering the same streets in the Vienna city center to try different camera and lens combinations and see what works best for me. The combos were the Leica M11 with 28mm and 21mm lenses; the Fuji X-E5 with the VL 18mm (equivalent 28mm); the Q2 Monochrome and the Pen f with the Olympus 12mm (eq 24mm).

I found the image quality excellent with all these combos. The Leica's are a bit better at fixing shadows when needed. In scenes with lower light, the Olympus needed noise reduction in post. The Fuji and Olympus kits were lighter and easier to hold for a long time while holding the camera ready to shoot from the hip. The cameras were all relatively easy to keep at f/8, 1/500, 2 meters and auto-ISO, though on the Fuji I had to shut off the rear dial because it moved too easily. The VL 18mm was also the one with the least resistance on the focusing ring, so I had to check quite regularly that the focus hadn't moved.

But this led me to thinking about lens versatility. In my case, I could easily have switched the Leica Q and the Pen f to autofocus, but that was impossible with the setup I used for the Leica M and Fuji. I would like that versatility and was wondering which other combos offer it. In other words, which camera/lens combos offer AF with a quick switch to manual focus AND a Depth of Field scale on the lens for zone focusing.

I only know of a few:

- the Leica Q series (though some say the DoF scale is not correct);
- MFT with the Olympus 12mm, the first 17mm f/1.8 and the 17/25/45 f/1.2 lenses
- Fuji with the 16mm f/1.4

Am I missing something? And am I the only one who likes that kind of flexibility?

Almost makes me want to keep the Q2M I was planning to sell...



Aug 22, 2025 at 02:37 AM
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I think this video will be useful for you. Basically, what Gareth is using in this video is BBF on his Fuji camera, setting the camera to MF mode, and having the LCD/EVF display the MF distance indicator. By using Gareth Danks’s method, you can quickly set the focus zone with BBF, and if you need to check the depth of field, just take a quick look at your LCD/EVF.

As for lenses, I think Fuji’s 14mm f/2.8 and the older 23mm f/1.4 also have a DOF scale on the body.



Aug 22, 2025 at 11:49 AM
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The new Hasselblad lenses offer this.


Aug 22, 2025 at 12:40 PM
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hncc.photo wrote:
As for lenses, I think Fuji’s 14mm f/2.8 and the older 23mm f/1.4 also have a DOF scale on the body.


I have a Fuji 23 1.4 mk1. It has a focus clutch and scale. What I like about it is that when the lens is in MF mode, the focus ring has hard stops, so overall it's actually pretty close to using a MF lens.



Aug 22, 2025 at 03:44 PM
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The new Hassy XCD V series lenses have the distance scales on the lenses for manual focus.
There are some lenses that will report the distance DOF in the top plate (Leica SL series, iirc), too. Not the same as the tactile DOF on the lens, but it's a lesser option.

Point being ... NOT a lot of AF lenses WITH tactile DOF scales on the lens. I very much wish that there were more lenses that did this ... BUT, since so many are using focus by wire for MF, the fixed position needed for DOF on the lens isn't available for many.

Yeah, I wish there were more, but there isn't much out there like that ... best I can tell.

Excellent question, so I'll be watching also to see what others think of.



Aug 22, 2025 at 10:43 PM
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Viltrox has the digital screen on some lenses. IIRC Batis also has the screen on their lenses.


Aug 22, 2025 at 11:47 PM
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The new Hassy XCD V series lenses have the distance scales on the lenses for manual focus..


Yes, but sadly, Hasselblad thought it appropriate to use the same distance scales based on the ~0.06mm circle of confusion they used for the classic 500cm lenses (for 60mm x 60mm film format) for a much smaller 44mm x 33mm sensor. What this means is that the DoF zone shown on the XCD V lenses is way too generous.

E.g., the XCD 55mm F2.5 V lens, stopped down at F11 and focused at 4 meters away, the barrel markings will show a zone of ~2.2 meters to 24 meters (basically infinity) in focus. This would be correct were it a 55mm lens on a classic 500CM camera, which is a nice wide angle lens (basically a 28mm equivalent).

But the reality is that on the smaller 44mm x 33mm sensor of the X2D system with its ~0.8x crop factor and the standard normal angle of the XCD 55mm F2.5 (a ~42mm equivalent lens), your DoF, by classic 1/1500 the sensor diagonal standards (which is what the old ~0.06mm circle of confusion is based upon), should be ~2.6 meters to 8.7 meters, or far smaller.

Bottom line? Relying on the barrel markings will result in photos that are in less in-focus than you would expect from the indicators.

I have no idea why Hasselblad decided to use such an inappropriate CoC assumption on its lens markings. I was really surprised when I noticed this -- I guess it's just trying to harken back to the 500CM tradition? But it makes it useless for a street shooter like me.

But back to the OP -- all Fujifilm lenses will allow for zone focusing in manual mode with the LCD distance scale, even if there isn't a manual clutch. I actually prefer this over Fujifilm's manual clutch lenses when I do shoot Fujifilm, despite being a die-hard M-mount, muscle memory zone focusing rangefinder shooter 90% of the time.

And that's because it allows you to be in manual focus and zone focus for the majority of the time, but then also have a back button center point autofocus "override." This means you can use autofocus in a similar way to aligning the rangefinder on a m-mount camera, but by just hitting the back AF button and without having to manually engage a clutch or move the focus to an "auto" position, like on the Leica Q, which often forces you to lose and recompose your shot.

This back button center point autofocus override lets me switch from my general zone focusing to focus on a specific subject, and focuses far faster than I could ever align a manual rangefinder and works well on, for example, the X100 series + the 28mm wide conversion lenses.

The Ricoh GRIII will also allow for a manual zone focus with an autofocus override (by tapping on the touch screen to activate a focus point then half pressing the shutter button in manual focus mode).

Also, OP, don't forget on your Pen F and your mFT 12mm lens, you can just be at F4.0 and your DoF will be basically the same (actually even wider) than your M11 and 28mm lens at F8. For your APS-C, your Voigtlander 18mm at F5.6 is fine for basically your 28mm at F8.0 full frame equivalency on your M11.



Aug 23, 2025 at 01:26 AM
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hncc.photo wrote:



I think this video will be useful for you. Basically, what Gareth is using in this video is BBF on his Fuji camera, setting the camera to MF mode, and having the LCD/EVF display the MF distance indicator. By using Gareth Danks’s method, you can quickly set the focus zone with BBF, and if you need to check the depth of field, just take a quick look at your LCD/EVF.

As for lenses, I think Fuji’s 14mm f/2.8 and the older 23mm f/1.4 also have a DOF scale on the body.


Fujifilms implementation of having the camera in MF mode and then using BBF to engage autofocus is pretty nice. However, it does *not* work when those lenses with the MF clutch are in manual focus mode (i.e when you see the DOF scale and the focus ring is usable and has hard stops). In this mode autofocus is fully disabled and the back button does not do anything.



Aug 23, 2025 at 02:00 AM
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maly149 wrote:
The new Hasselblad lenses offer this.


Thanks. The X2D has a grip that's great in general, but any camera with a good general grip isn't that great for shooting from the hip, I found. The grip is in the way of holding the camera for hip shooting.



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genjy wrote:
I have a Fuji 23 1.4 mk1. It has a focus clutch and scale. What I like about it is that when the lens is in MF mode, the focus ring has hard stops, so overall it's actually pretty close to using a MF lens.


That sounds like my kind of lens, except that for hip shooting, the equivalent of 35mm gets a little long and the DoF a little shallow.



Aug 23, 2025 at 02:02 AM
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jjcha wrote:
Yes, but sadly, Hasselblad thought it appropriate to use the same distance scales based on the ~0.06mm circle of confusion they used for the classic 500cm lenses (for 60mm x 60mm film format) for a much smaller 44mm x 33mm sensor. What this means is that the DoF zone shown on the XCD V lenses is way too generous.

E.g., the XCD 55mm F2.5 V lens, stopped down at F11 and focused at 4 meters away, the barrel markings will show a zone of ~2.2 meters to 24 meters (basically infinity) in focus. This would be correct were it a 55mm
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Thanks.

I'll check the Fuji setup.

I'm aware of the increased DoF on the Pen f (and Fuji compared to FF). I would use that in general, but in this case, I wanted to see how f/8 compared between these different formats. Fuji and MFT have an advantage here for this type of shooting.

The reasoning behind my question is that I think hip shooting has a role to play, but a sole focus on it does two things (for me):

- it kind of limits the places where you find the most opportunities to locations that are neither too crowded (no leeway to shoot) or too empty (nothing to shoot); you kind of need the right crowds;
- it made me focus too much on just shooting from the hip to the point where I felt I wasn't seeing other opportunities.

I'm still trying to figure out what kind of street shooting I prefer (having moved from NYC to Europe) and other than hip shooting, I'm also interested in street portraiture, hence my interest in being able to quickly switch between manual focus with a narrow aperture to AF with a wide aperture (and preferably eye AF). As always, this latter point makes me wonder about using the Leica M11, otherwise considered a great street camera.



Aug 23, 2025 at 02:14 AM
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johnvanr wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out what kind of street shooting I prefer (having moved from NYC to Europe) and other than hip shooting, I'm also interested in street portraiture, hence my interest in being able to quickly switch between manual focus with a narrow aperture to AF with a wide aperture (and preferably eye AF).


You can do this (quick manual to eye AF) with some practice with Fujifilm, but it's not reliable.

For example, I will usually walk around with the X100V with the WCL (28mm equivalent) at F5.6 focused at 2.5 meters for general street shooting (zone is ~1.5 meters to ~10 meters).

Then, as you say, wanting to shoot a quick portrait-style shot, you would need to hit the switch on the body from M to AF-S to put the camera into a eye AF mode. This is a bit of a pain, because of the way the selector switch is on the X100 series (or the GFX100RF or any of the other bodies, like your X-E5 if you used the XF18mm F2). Then you need to quickly turn the aperture ring to wide open (F2.0) which is pretty easy.

Then you hope that the eye AF picks the correct eye (sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't). It's this last part that's the problem because the eye AF technology isn't quite 95%+ reliable yet, at least for me on the X100V or GFX100RF. Maybe it's better on your X-E5? Also the XF16mm F2.8 is a pretty fast focusing lens, so it should work well with the X-E5 if you want to try.

So generally I don't rely on the eye AF with my X100 or GFX100RF. In fact, I mapped a custom button to turn eye AF on and off because it's so unreliable (I turn it on when I have time to take a few shots).

It may be easier on the Q -- I haven't tried it there. But honestly, I don't know if other than Sony whose eye-detect AF is really reliable? And none of the Sony cameras have proper manual focus with distance scales that allow for zone focusing last I checked.

Sadly it's so much of a mess, it seems better just to center point auto-focus with the Fuji for me or just manually align the rangefinder on the M. It does work (switching between MF and eye-AF) and I have some good results with the GFX100RF. It's just not reliable enough to really trust it, that's all.



Aug 23, 2025 at 03:21 AM
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jjcha wrote:
You can do this (quick manual to eye AF) with some practice with Fujifilm, but it's not reliable.

For example, I will usually walk around with the X100V with the WCL (28mm equivalent) at F5.6 focused at 2.5 meters for general street shooting (zone is ~1.5 meters to ~10 meters).

Then, as you say, wanting to shoot a quick portrait-style shot, you would need to hit the switch on the body from M to AF-S to put the camera into a eye AF mode. This is a bit of a pain, because of the way the selector switch is on
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Thanks. I don't have a Fuji AF lens that also has the MF DoF markings I desire, so I can't practice the switch on my X-E5.

The Q2 should be pretty easy, but eye AF isn't up to Sony/Canon standards. May be good enough, though. I haven't used that camera much for portraits. And it's the Monochrom version, while I'm not sure I only want to shoot in B&W on these outings. Sometimes colors shout out to me.

It may actually be the Olympus that's best suited for this quick switch, since it's an easy pull on the aperture ring of the 12mm lens. Eye AF again isn't as good as Sony or Canon, but the main issue becomes that the 24-mm equivalent is quite wide for portraits and that for street portraits I may want more background separation than that lens can offer me on MFT. And MFT doesn't have a 28mm-equivalent lens that's AF and MF.

Center point AF should work on the Olympus, but at some point I start to worry that higher resolution cameras require the focus point to be exactly where it should be. I'm not sure how much sense that makes and where the resolution cut-off would start, but I cannot imagine that one can use the center point on the eye on a high-resolution shot wide open and then still expect absolutely sharpness on that eye when it's not in the center of the frame in the final image.

Like so often, I find myself wanting to take two cameras for what I want to be able to shoot, but at the same time not wanting to carry two cameras and definitely not two heavier cameras. First world problems.



Aug 23, 2025 at 03:57 AM
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hncc.photo wrote:



I think this video will be useful for you. Basically, what Gareth is using in this video is BBF on his Fuji camera, setting the camera to MF mode, and having the LCD/EVF display the MF distance indicator. By using Gareth Danks’s method, you can quickly set the focus zone with BBF, and if you need to check the depth of field, just take a quick look at your LCD/EVF.

As for lenses, I think Fuji’s 14mm f/2.8 and the older 23mm f/1.4 also have a DOF scale on the body.


In this video, he's only using the Q2. Did you mean to link to another video?



Aug 23, 2025 at 04:04 AM
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johnvanr wrote:
It may actually be the Olympus that's best suited for this quick switch, since it's an easy pull on the aperture ring of the 12mm lens. Eye AF again isn't as good as Sony or Canon, but the main issue becomes that the 24-mm equivalent is quite wide for portraits and that for street portraits I may want more background separation than that lens can offer me on MFT. And MFT doesn't have a 28mm-equivalent lens that's AF and MF.


I understand completely. Many years ago, I also considered the mFT system, but decided against it because, as you say, there was no 14mm clutch manual focus lens with distance scales to use with the Pen F.

I understand wanting a manual clutch lens. Sadly, as you are aware, the number of lenses is limited and I think we have discussed all of them in this thread. Some Nikon Z zoom lenses also have a digital display that do show distance scales but they're not really what people like us are looking for.

My guess is that the Leica Q or the Hasselblad XCD 38mm F2.5 V are your best options as I think about it, and hopefully both companies will improve their AF technology over time. The new X2D coming out soon may be promising (though expensive).

I've never tried it, but I wonder if maybe one of those autofocus adapters for M mount might work? I doubt it, because it would require the designers to precisely design the adapter to work with the M mount lens to focus at infinity precisely (most adapters do not, and I do not know if the autofocus ones work with eye AF). Also if you wanted to adapt for your X-E5, unfortunately, the 18mm M mount lens options are limited and are of narrow aperture (F4 or F5.6).

I will say that after I did buy the X100F and got used to zone focusing with the digital distance scale, I found the advantages outweighed the disadvantages. Despite how terrible the manual focusing feels, and the lack of hard stops at infinity / 0.7 meters.

Good luck - you're not the only person who's interested in such things. But sadly there aren't that many of us and the market seems to be moving away from us.



Aug 23, 2025 at 02:02 PM
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I understand completely. Many years ago, I also considered the mFT system, but decided against it because, as you say, there was no 14mm clutch manual focus lens with distance scales to use with the Pen F.

I understand wanting a manual clutch lens. Sadly, as you are aware, the number of lenses is limited and I think we have discussed all of them in this thread. Some Nikon Z zoom lenses also have a digital display that do show distance scales but they're not really what people like us are looking for.

My guess is that the Leica Q or
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It's ironic to me, who has opined over the years that the Q is nothing special unless it's the monochrome version, that it turns out to be a pretty versatile offering: AF, zone focusing MF and macro with leeway to crop in one relatively small package. I had listed my Q2M for sale, but have now pulled it off the market to give it another shot and to see how (eye) AF would work for street portraits. Then I may still switch it for a normal Q2 or a Q3. Not sure.

I regularly used to carry my M11 with a wide angle lens and the Pen f with the tiny 45mm f/1.8 lens. There's nothing like the 45mm lens out there. Two Pen fs, one with the 12mm and one with the 45mm, also look like a nice setup, though with limitations.

It's strange to me how MFT and Fuji have kind of overlooked the old role of 28mm equivalents in the history of photography.

And it doesn't make me happy that OM System decided to weather seal the new 17mm but took away the MF clutch. This after they didn't add that clutch to the 20mm PRO lens, while all prior PRO lenses had the clutch.

I wouldn't want to use the Hasselblad for street shooting, so that's a no go.

As far as the AF adapters go, I do have one for my M lenses and the Z6III. I haven't tried much manual focus shooting with that adapter, but the AF really needs good light to work properly and fast. If it works, it's great, but it's not a totally dependable solution.



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johnvanr, as you say, the Q cameras are indeed versatile offerings. AF, zone focusing, MF and macro with plenty of leeway to crop in a relatively small package. Certainly my Q3 43 hardly ever leaves my hand when shooting street. However, do be careful when relying on the focus scale when zone focusing, like virtually all other manufacture's DOF scales they can be woefully inadequate based as they are on film CoC: something to bear in mind.


Aug 24, 2025 at 05:20 AM
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The combination of „autofocus at half-press and pre-set snap focus at full press“ that’s available on the GR III / GR IV is also quite powerful for this use case.

They don’t have a distance scale and I wouldn’t really want to use manual focus with a GR, but you could use single point AF instead. And for street shooting where AF would be too slow, you pre-set your typical zone focus distance and stop down to f5.6-f8.

There are even optical waist-level viewfinders available for the Ricohs..



Aug 24, 2025 at 10:12 AM







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